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  2. Stinsonmarrie, I understand that you believe Luther, Calvin and the other Reformers were all soft in the head. I appreciate your feedback.
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  5. Gustave: I gave you the facts according to the Bible. That means the reformer's view on the differences between the Law of YAHWEH also the Sacrificial Law. Ron made it very plain when he stated: "I am responding from the viewpoint that the Scriptures (in the original manuscripts) found in the 66 books of the Bible are God's word and are authoritative above all man-made theories and doctrines." What you fail to see is that both the Commandments and the Sacrificial Law were given to Moses by YAHWEH. The only difference is the Sacrificial Law, HE told Moses to write down and place it on the side of the Ark of The Covenant. The Commandments which you and man want to call Moral are in error. They are not just Moral, they are Natural Laws, and Statutes. They are not what men want to think are the digit 10. This word is "accumulation," which means the following: Late 15c., "that which is heaped up, an accumulated mass," from Latin accumulationem (nominative accumulatio) "a heaping up," noun of action from past-participle stem of accumulare "to heap up, amass," from ad "to," here perhaps emphatic (see ad-), + cumulare "heap up," from cumulus "heap" (from suffixed form of PIE root *keue- "to swell"). Meaning "act of heaping up" is from c. 1600. Etymology Online The Commandment especially in the Sabbath section proves that all that spoken in Creation are there. You apparently do not seem to understand that man concept or ways or not THE WAYS of YAHWEH. All of the reformers proved that and you as well. THE HOLY SPIRIT will leave all into truth if they continue to stay on the path. The reformers brought a lot of truthful things to the table until they chose to go off the path of truth. What I showed you who the little horn is, the papacy under the Catholic Church. I showed you that Constantine worshipped Mithras and felt that he was leading the Christian to accept all of Mithras and his truth, which by the way was a lie. I gave evidence that Paul saw iniquity with the Greeks and Roman who is Japheth children are the only true Gentiles no other ethical group from Ham or Shem. Again, men made up an error about anyone who is not a Jew is a Gentile. Not true because they have not read Gen 10:5 it is plain who the Gentile is. The books Paul wrote were only to the Gentiles, except the book of Hebrews. You see your belief is historically traced from the Bible and history. They go hand and hand, history proved the Bible was correct! 2nd Thessalonians proved that the papacy will be "taken out of the way." Because there will be "a falling away first." This is taken place now which YAHSHUA said it would be the beginning of sorrow. What happened since 2016 was it what Paul spoke about. Many people of all faith changed, hatred came back with a vengeance. The earth is dying and the Time of Trouble is at the door. The beast has not been revealed yet, he will be revealed after the Time of Trouble comes to an end. The papacy you believed will become powerful even more so during the Time of Trouble. She will take over Jerusalem that has become Babylon with many different religions (uncage birds the Bible called them) in the city. This is the one who the 144,000 (they are the ones with the power and preaching the two witnesses, the Bible), will deal with, the Gentile in Revelation Chapter 11. Matt Chapter 24 Finally, the reason why the Papacy state they are above the Bible is so you do not read as you should. Neither do you accept that the Commandments is all The Spoken WORD of YAHWEH! Many today are so delusional that they believe all kinds of lies (conspiracy theories), that they will put their lives on the line. Many are power hungry and will do anything deceitful and bold to have it. They don't care nor listen to the Bible and then they called themselves Christians. It is clear that refuse any type of rules or laws, saying people are forcing them against their will. So, if refuse to accept practical manmade laws; how easy to think you can change ELOHIYM'S Laws- think again, it will never happen. Blessings!
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  7. phkrause

    THIS DAY IN HISTORY

    THIS DAY IN HISTORY August 1 1943 Operation Tidal Wave: U.S. forces attempt risky air raid on Axis oil refineries On August 1, 1943, 177 B-24 bombers take off from an Allied base in Libya, bound for the oil-producing city Ploiești, Romania, nicknamed "Hitler's gas station." The daring raid, known as Operation Tidal Wave, resulted in five men being awarded the Medal of Honor—three of them posthumously—but failed... read more 1960s 1961 The first Six Flags opens in Texas Art, Literature, and Film History 1981 MTV launches 1996 George R.R. Martin's "Game of Thrones" debuts Civil War 1864 Philip Sheridan takes command of Army of the Shenandoah Cold War 1975 Helsinki Final Act signed Crime 1966 An ex-Marine goes on a killing spree at the University of Texas Exploration 1498 Columbus lands in South America Germany 1936 Hitler oversees Berlin Olympics opening ceremony Holocaust 1944 Anne Frank writes her last diary entry Sports 1996 Michael Johnson brings home second gold U.S. Presidents 1972 George W. Bush is suspended from flying with the Air National Guard World War I 1914 First World War erupts World War II 1943 PT-109 sinks; Lieutenant Kennedy is instrumental in saving crew 1944 Warsaw Revolt begins
  8. phkrause

    Days of Praise

    August 1, 2021 Scripture Says/God Says “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:16) Among the many evidences for verbal inspiration, both within and without Scripture, is the frequent interchange of God recognized as the author of a particular passage with the human author who actually penned it. This can be true only if the very words recorded by the various authors are “God breathed” (the meaning of “inspiration”). For example, the early Christians exclaimed, “Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?” (Acts 4:24-25), thereby recognizing that God spoke through David, who wrote God’s words in Psalm 2:1-2. Likewise, Paul, in his masterful dissertation on God’s sovereignty, claimed “the scripture saith unto Pharaoh” (Romans 9:17) that which God Himself had spoken unto Moses (Exodus 9:13). In other words, what Scripture says, God says. Even Christ Jesus, who Himself had written with His finger “honour thy father and thy mother” (Exodus 20:12) on tables of stone, personally ascribed the authorship of the passage to Moses (Mark 7:10). Evidently to Christ, there was no difference. That which Moses had written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and in this case what he had copied from the stone tablet, was fully the Word of God. We can be sure that what Scripture says, God says. “That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” (2 Timothy 3:17). We can trust our lives on Earth, our view of history, and our eternal destiny to what is written on the pages of Scripture. JDM
  9. Gregory Matthews

    Ministry Fraud

    The following article warns against ministry fraud: Churches need to be aware of Wolves in their midst - Church Executive
  10. Thanks Ron, I take your answer to mean you categorically reject the concept of ceremonial or moral law. I can't remember if you are Adventist (SDA, Christadelphian, JW or WWCOG 7th day)?
  11. Hello Gustave, I am responding from the viewpoint that the Scriptures (in the original manuscripts) found in the 66 books of the Bible are God's word and are authoritative above all man-made theories and doctrines. I am not a Seventh-day Adventist. I think you have laid out your position clearly, and your viewpoint seems to have the support of the Council of Trent, Justin Martyr, and Martin Luther. Yet I do not find your viewpoint convincing because many of your points are man-made theories and doctrines that lack support within the Scriptures. The concept of categorizing God's instructions into categories called "natural law", "moral law", or "ceremonial law" would make sense to those who are content with man-made theories. But those categories are not described anywhere in the Bible. And those who teach such categories cannot agree regarding which category each passage of Scripture should be placed into, which shows rather clearly that it is not the Bible that specifies the categories, but that it is just a man-made system. Furthermore, the idea of using such categories in order to set aside some of God's instructions is not found in Scripture -- it is a man-made theory that has been superimposed on top of Scripture without God's permission and it directly opposes a substantial part of what God himself said in Scripture about his own instructions. In spite of the best of intentions, those who teach the categories of natural, moral, and ceremonial law also end up teaching things that are contrary to the word of God and contrary to the teachings of Jesus. I plan to respond to specific parts of your post later, as I have time.
  12. Gustave

    Infallibility of the Pope

    After it went out of print the price elevated - some places are asking over 500.00 for a new copy.
  13. I guess beggars can't be choosers. Thank you Stinsonmarri, for your astute & thought provoking answers to my questions about Reformers views on the difference between Moral and Ceremonial Law. [Gustave: Stinsonmari often provides answers to questions that no one has asked--Gregory Matthews.]
  14. Gustave: It is true that you come with the belief of Catholicism. This religion came about when the Greeks became dominant in the falling Hebrew faith. Paul begin to see the truth changed. He not only wrote to the Gentiles many books but also to the Hebrews as well. Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 1Co 13:6 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 2Th 2:7 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Heb 5:12 Satan has blinded many religious scholars to be blind by the Hellenistic power that the Greeks has over the world. In Daniel three beast first was shown to Daniel, by YAHWEH. Unfortunately, the SDA was so closed but Uriah Smith lead the mainstream away. Daniel was ordered to seal the book and it would be finish by the last prophet of ELOHIYM-John. The SDA did understand the about the little stout horn would pluck up three kingdoms and become the most dominant figure for centuries-the papacy! However, they did not understand the fourth beast thanks to Uriah Smith. It is clear that the beast in Daniel was going to burn in the everlasting fire indicated in Dan 7:11. They also fail to see the unique description given by Daniel was exactly the same thing John saw but even more descriptive. Dreadful and terrible, strong exceedingly, it had great iron teeth that devoured and brake in pieces. This sounds like just like what is known of the king of the Jungle-the lion! It then stamped the residue with the feet- isn't what a bear does! If you notice that Daniel did not mention one description of the beast in verse 7 but include in verse 19. The fourth beast nails were of brass! This deliberate and very significant that this was left out until the end. Many wanted to compare what Nebuchadnezzar saw with Daniel. Not possible because the King was not familiar with THE MOST HIGH as Daniel was. Dan 4:8 The king learned over time that YAHWEH had chosen him to become apart of HIS House of Prayer! So, the king saw kingdoms as different type of special metal but Rome represent iron in the teeth and Greece the nails of the beast. Most do not realize that when an animal attacks their nails are very dangerous and when they claw you they open your skin to bleed. Bleeding deeply weakens you for to attack you with their teeth! Smart Right! Now you can see why it was different from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. If you can't then John will show you. What he saw was a lion head, feet like a bear and body like a leopard. Rev. 13:1 If anyone knows and understand the history of Greek, it had Rome both pagan and papal to follow its Religious ideology: which were many and it pagan philosophy. Greece worship the Egyptians, the Canaanites belief, the Persians (Aryan People) which believe it or not all came from Nimrod's belief system. Look at your dollar bill people. The brotherhood is another name for the builders of ancient times: Freemasonry An example of the rosy cross symbol predating the early Rosicrucian manifestos is that shown on the central panel of the Harbaville Triptych, which is Byzantine and comes from the 10th or 11th century. The symbol is a Calvary cross with a rose in its centre, which is identical with what the masonic/rosicrucian scholar Manly Palmer Hall claimed to be the original symbol of the rosicrucians. In his work "Silentium Post Clamores" (1617), the rosicrucian Michael Maier (1568–1622) described rosicrucianism as having arisen from a "Primordial Tradition" in the following statement: "Our origins are Egyptian, Brahmanic, derived from the mysteries of Eleusis and Samothrace, the Magi of Persia, the Pythagoreans, and the Arabs." Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Constantine was a great follower of Greece uniting beliefs together. The cross was alway a pagan concept and following Mithras from Persia. He wanted to unite the Christians who were now Greeks changing the Hebrews religion into iniquity. They too were now worshiping Mithras and adopting the Persian and Egypt name Christo from their gods. What do he see across the Milan Bridge, but a cross. He already knew this sign and it was to show he would defeat his brother in battle. He did! Constantine the Great now wanted to unified his country. The Greek concept was an accepted belief to all and the little horn unified the Roman world into the papacy world. It was easy change like it is with all the world religions today. All today believe in God and now Satan has control. Look up the etymology of the word god. Don't believe me. It goes straight to Zeus- why isn't that the Greeks main god! Then it shows clear if you dare look it from its origin. Proto-Indo-European root meaning "to shine," in derivatives "sky, heaven, god." It forms all or part of: adieu; adios; adjourn; Asmodeus; circadian; deific; deify; deism; deity; deodand; deus ex machina; deva; dial; diary; Diana; Dianthus; diet (n.2) "assembly;" Dioscuri; Dis; dismal; diurnal; diva; Dives; divine; joss; journal; journalist; journey; Jove; jovial; Julia; Julius; July; Jupiter; meridian; Midi; per diem; psychedelic; quotidian; sojourn; Tuesday; Zeus. It is the hypothetical source of/evidence for its existence is provided by: Sanskrit deva "god" (literally "shining one"); diva "by day;" Avestan dava- "spirit, demon;" Greek delos "clear;" Latin dies "day," deus "god. Online Etymology The Catholic Church that you believe has the altar bearing an image of Mithras slaughtering a bull stands between two benches at the Basilica di San Clemente. What I suggest that you do it take time and study the Mithraic Mysteries which are related to Egypt and the bull. The sacraments of the Eucharist comes from Constantine who was a Mithras worshiper and follower. He thought that the Christo that the Christians were worshiping was Mithras. They had the sacred meal of eating the flesh and blood of the bull. The story of Mithras was similar to the birth of YAHSHUA except one was true the other a lie. December is the birthday of Mithras and Saturnilas and the papacy converted to get the pagan worshipers to come under the Catholic Church. All of the pagans still worship their gods they just changed them to saints. It is not hard to find everything is written in history. I suggest that you realize also that Constantine allowed the farmers to continue to keep the Sabbath, while the townsman's were to change to his day that he worshipped his sun god Mithras and it was easy to change the Greek Christians! So please read the story about the little horn who would speak against THE MOST HIGH and think notice that word to think to change times and Laws. He can't, he is flesh and they all die. They get sick and I would truly like to see when have they had great powers? If so why couldn't they keep from dying and getting sick? So, I will keep the Sabbath that was giving in Gen Chapter 2 and YAHSHUA. Strange that THE MOST HIGH told IsraEL that HIS House they were observing would be for all people. Let me see that House were keeping the Sabbath! Blessings to you!
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    THIS DAY IN HISTORY

    THIS DAY IN HISTORY July 31 1975 Labor leader Jimmy Hoffa is reported missing On the morning of July 31, 1975, James Riddle Hoffa, one of the most influential American labor leaders of the 20th century, is officially reported missing after he failed to return home the previous night. Though he is popularly believed to have been the victim of a Mafia hit, conclusive e... read more American Revolution 1777 Marquis de Lafayette becomes a major-general without pay Natural Disasters & Environment 1715 Hurricane sinks Spanish treasure ships Religion 1556 Ignatius of Loyola, founder of the Jesuit order, dies Space Exploration 1964 Ranger 7 photographs moon World War I 1917 Third Battle of Ypres begins in Flanders World War II 1941 Preparations for the Final Solution begin
  16. phkrause

    Days of Praise

    July 31, 2021 The Good Confession “I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession.” (1 Timothy 6:13) Young Timothy also had “professed a good profession [same word as ‘confession’] before many witnesses” (v. 12), evidently of similar substance and quality to that in the witness of Christ before Pilate. When the Jews urged Pilate to condemn Jesus to death, their charge was that “he made himself the Son of God” (John 19:7). Pilate gave Jesus opportunity to deny this charge and save His life, “but Jesus gave him no answer” (v. 9). Both by His silence, when a denial of the charge could have saved Him, and by His open testimony before Pilate that He was, in fact, a King from heaven itself—indeed “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords” (1 Timothy 6:15)—it becomes clear that our own “good confession” must be a confession of our faith in Jesus Christ as Son of God, our Savior and Lord, especially when that confession is made openly before hostile witnesses. Jesus said: “Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 10:32). Paul said, “If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved” (Romans 10:9); and John said, “Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God” (1 John 4:15). Despite the great blessings awaiting all who make a courageous and good confession of saving faith in Christ, most people will refuse until it is too late. There is a time coming, however, when “every tongue [will] confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:11). HMM
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  21. Gustave

    Ellen White & the Bible

    Did not Luther, in his numbering, number the Sabbath Commandment as the 3rd Commandment? I'm curious, are you a Christadelphian by Chance?
  22. For anyone unfamiliar with me I am coming at this question from the viewpoint of a Latin Rite Catholic. Within the context of "The Law" most folks will recognize the terms "Ceremonial Law" & "Natural / Moral Law". So there is no misunderstanding where I'm coming from I'll quote from the Catechism of the Council of Trent as this Catechism is closest in publication to the Reformers. "With regard to the exposition of this Commandment, the faithful are carefully to be taught how it agrees with, and how it differs from the others, in order that they may understand why we observe and keep holy not Saturday but Sunday. The point of difference is evident. The other Commandments of the Decalogue are precepts of the natural law, obligatory at all times and unalterable. Hence, after the abrogation of the Law of Moses, all the Commandments contained in the two tables are observed by Christians, not indeed because their observance is commanded by Moses, but because they are in conformity with nature which dictates obedience to them. This Commandment about the observance of the Sabbath, on the other hand, considered as to the time appointed for its fulfillment, is not fixed and unalterable, but susceptible of change, and belongs not to the moral, but the ceremonial law. Neither is it a principle of the natural law; we are not instructed by nature to give external worship to God on that day, rather than on any other. And in fact the Sabbath was kept holy only from the time of the liberation of the people of Israel from the bondage of Pharaoh. The observance of the Sabbath was to be abrogated at the same time as the other Hebrew rites and ceremonies, that is, at the death of Christ. Having been, as it were, images which foreshadowed the light and the truth, these ceremonies were to disappear at the coming of that light and truth, which is Jesus Christ. Hence St. Paul, in his Epistle to the Galatians, when reproving the observers of the Mosaic rites, says: You observe days and months and times and years; I am afraid of you lest perhaps I have labored in vain amongst you. And he writes to the same effect to the Colossians. So much regarding the difference (between this and the other Commandments)" . CCC / Trent / Sabbath This is speaking of the "observance" of the Sabbath and that prior to the liberation of the people of Israel the 7th day of the week, according to the time keeping methods of Israel, had NOT BEEN KEPT HOLY in a ceremonial sense. This is not to say the moral or natural sense of the Sabbath didn't exist - it just says that humans are not naturally instructed by nature to give external worship to God on "that specific day" or to abstain from regular / secular activities on that specific day. The reason we find examples in the histories of ancient cultures or civilizations where people set aside a time for religious services (even for false God's) is proof that there is something inside man that compels him to do this - JUST LIKE there is something inside man that compels him that stealing or murder is WRONG. A Chinese person living 5000 years ago didn't need a bearded man to come down off a mountain with stone tablets with a commandment written on them to know that sleeping with his neighbors' wife was wrong any more than Pharaoh needed an instruction written in stone to know it was wrong to sex up another mans wife (Genesis 12). The Catholic position, as I understand it, is that the 10 Commandments were always and still are universal - NOT because Moses brought them down from the Mountain but because they predated Moses all the way from Creation and thus are all rooted in the 'Natural Law' which is why they are universally obligatory / observed in every ancient culture we have history on. Ancient cultures were not instructed by nature to give external worship to God on the equivalent of a Gregorian Saturday because that's outside or beyond Natural / Moral law. For an individual to KNOW something ceremonial they would have to be supernaturally instructed in the ceremony. It's my understanding that OUT of all the Gentile Nations of the earth God "CHOSE Israel" : Deut 7, 6-8, Deut 14, 2, Deut 26, 17-19, 2 Sam 7, 23-24. There are many, many more Scriptures I could quote but I'll throw just one more in for good measure. "For you have separated them from ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE EARTH as your inheritance, as you spoke through Moses your servant, when you brought our fathers forth from Egypt, O Lord God." 1 Kings 8, 53 A Gentile isn't a term that defines what you are - it's defines what you're NOT. Gentiles are not Jews - therefore, if God "separated" a tribe of people OUT OF ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE EARTH it stands to reason that prior to the separation the people pulled out were (prior to the separation) Gentiles. To illustrate this point I'll be bias and quote St. Justin Martyr in his response to Trypho the Jew: "This circumcision is not, however, necessary for all men, but for you alone, in order that, as I have already said, you may suffer these things which you now justly suffer. Nor do we receive that useless baptism of cisterns, for it has nothing to do with this baptism of life. Wherefore also God has announced that you have forsaken Him, the living fountain, and digged for your selves broken cisterns which can hold no water. Even you, who are the circumcised according to the flesh, have need of our circumcision; but we, having the latter, do not require the former. For if it were necessary, as you suppose, God would not have made Adam uncircumcised would not have had respect to the gifts of Abel when, being uncircumcised, he offered sacrifice and would not have been pleased with the uncircumcision of Enoch, who was not found, because God had translated him. Lot, being uncircumcised, was saved from Sodom, the angels themselves and the Lord sending him out. Noah was the beginning of our race; yet, uncircumcised, along with his children he went into the ark. Melchizedek, the priest of the Most High, was uncircumcised; to whom also Abraham the first who received circumcision after the flesh, gave tithes, and he blessed him: after whose order God declared, by the mouth of David, that He would establish the everlasting priest. Therefore to you alone this circumcision was necessary, in order that the people may be no people, and the nation no nation; as also Hosea, one of the twelve prophets, declares. Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned, though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses, under whom your nation appeared unrighteous and ungrateful to God, making a calf in the wilderness: wherefore God, accommodating Himself to that nation, enjoined them also to offer sacrifices, as if to His name, in order that you might not serve idols. Which precept, however, you have not observed; nay, you sacrificed your children to demons. And you were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, 'That ye may know that I am God who redeemed you." The point I'm attempting to make here is that St. Justin Martyr was talking to a Jew and saying that Adam, Able, Enoch, Lot, Melchizedek & Abraham found favor with God WITHOUT KEEPING THE SABBATH as Trypho the Jew had been keeping it. To be clear, the Catholic Church teaches that the 10 Commandments were instituted at creation and are all rooted in Natural law - the heathen nations had always been observing them and what made Israel different was that they were given a specialized Ceremonial Law that was distinctive from the Natural or Moral Law God had already enjoined by Nature on all the other peoples of the earth - and this was all done by supernatural communication. The following is how Martin Luther describes it: "It is as if a Prince or the head of all a household wished to establish an ordinance for his country or his house because God had recued him from great need and he wanted to show his gratitude, as perhaps Naaman the Syrian did or might have done. He also would begin by teaching first about God, how He alone should be worshiped and regarded as the true God, able and willing to deliver from every need all who trust and believe in Him, whatever nation it may be , just as the first commandment teaches and makes no distinction , but declares that God punishes all who hate Him and helps all who love him, etc. After that the Prince or the head of the household would continue by enunciating the ordinances for his country or his house. In this way the Prince would not have imposed the ordinances of his country on all the other countries which did not experience this help, nor would he have the authority to do this even if he at the outset first commanded that they should worship and honor the true God of all countries. THAT IS WHAT MOSES ALSO DOES. WHEN HE IS SUPPOSED TO ORGANIZE HIS PEOPLE, WHO HAVE BEEN DELIVERED FROM EGYPT, HE FIRST LETS GOD HIMSELF ISSUE HIS TEN COMMANDMENTS, WHICH PERTAIN TO ALL OF MANKIND. SUBSEQUENTLY AND STILL AT GOD'S COMMAND, HE GIVES HIS PEOPLE THE PECULIAR LAWS OF THEIR COUNTRY". Luther's Works The Christian in Society IV, page 91 It's my understanding that Martin Luther clarified that the 3rd Commandment had a ceremonial aspect that didn't predate the giving of the Decalogue on the mountain. Here is why I say that. "Thus it is not true that there is no ceremonial or judicial law in the Ten Commandments. Such laws are in the decalogue, depend on it, and belong there. And to indicate this God himself has expressly introduced two ceremonial laws, namely, concerning images and the sabbath. We can show that these two parts are ceremonial laws which are also each in its way abrogated in the New Testament, so that one may see how Dr. Karlstadt deals about as wisely in his book with the sabbath as with images. For St. Paul (Col. 2 [:16-17]), speaks frankly and clearly, "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. These are only a shadowof what is to come." Here Paul expressly abrogates tie sabbath and calls it a shadow now past since the body, which is Christ himself, is come. Also, Gal. 4 [:10-11], "You observe days, and months, and seasons, and years! I am afraid I have labored over you in vain." Luther, Against the Heavenly Prophets. Notice how similar Luther's wording above is to the Council of Trent's Catechism - he's saying that there is something about the 3rd Commandment that is CEREMONIAL and that it was abrogated in the New testament. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that anyone reading this would agree God would not "abrogate" ANYTHING that's "Moral" because God is the definition of Moral, Holy, perfect. God created a PERFECT PLACE and once God saw there was nothing else left to do He STOPPED (i.e. ceased creation AKA He RESTED). Adam and Eve sinned and were ejected from this "REST" or PERFECT PLACE. Now is the part that I think people who frequent this forum and I start to depart in thinking - it seems to be implied by SDA's that creation was a literal 6 days and the literal 7th day following the 6th day is the Sabbath. I know enough about Luther's views to know he believed Adam sinned and was kicked out of Eden the day following his creation - in fact Luther believed that Adam and Eve didn't even make it through the 7th day. If I understand the SDA position correctly they affirm that God, since that 1st 7th day has kept track of a continues cycling of 7 day weeks since the 1st seventh day so that it could be said that when we read in Exodus 16 that God started the 6 days of Manna falling from the sky that the following 7th day, IF YOU WERE TO WIND BACK TIME, WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME EXACT 7TH DAY AS THE 7TH DAY OF CREATION WEEK. If I understood GHansen correctly he is affirming that Luther believed and taught that Adam was instructed by God about the literal 7th day following creation week and how THAT Specific day was Sacred to God so that every 7th day following that 1st literal seventh day was a Sabbath worship day. Its suggested that Adam taught his posterity about this specific (literal 7th) day so that by the time Abraham arrived he was actually keeping the rite of the Sabbath, worshipping on the same literal day Adam was kicked out of the Garden of Eden by a continuous cycling of 7 day weeks - which would be the same identical 7th day of the week Jews & SDA's observe this very day. It's further implied that in the Decalogue, the 3rd Commandment, the part where it says "the seventh day" its referring to the same exact 7th day referred to in Exodus 16 which in turn is the same exact 7th day as the 7th day of creation week. The oddity here in my view is IF GHansen is right in that Luther believed that Adam, Enoch, Lot, Noah, Abraham etc. kept the same literal 7th day that God instructed Adam that external worship of should be conducted on WHAT is Luther talking about when he says that the 3rd Commandment in the Decalogue has a "CEREMONIAL" aspect that was "INTRODUCED"? Abraham wasn't compelled by "nature" to cut his penis - Abraham had to be "supernaturally informed" of this act. Evidently, according to GHansen, Martin Luther believed that Adam had to be "supernaturally informed" that the 7th day coinciding with a Gregorian Saturday was the day God should be worshipped on and that throughout time up to Adam this "knowledge" was passed on right up to Abraham.. For the sake of argument let's say GHansen is right AND that Martin Luther was right - does this not mean that the 3rd Commandment, in totality, was a "CEREMONIAL LAW" not introduced by the ten commandments written on stone but a ceremonial law instituted by God at creation. I've posted the above to be transparent in what I believe and why I believe it - I also thought that because of backgrounds there might be some confusions as to what I believe or what others believe I believe. Also I might be mistaken as to what some of you believe. WHAT is your understanding of the Reformers views on CEREMONIAL / Judicial Vs. Natural / Moral Law. How could Scripture state that Gentiles (who did not have the literal 7th day Sabbath) be described as fulfilling the law which included the Sabbath commandment if they were not observing it even on the same day? It would seem logical to conclude that anything OUTSIDE of moral or natural law IS CEREMONIAL. I'm interested in hearing from anyone willing to respond - WHAT is your understanding of the Reformers views on CEREMONIAL / Judicial Vs. Natural / Moral Law.
  23. The image of the beast is mentioned in passing in Revelation 16:2. The first bowl-plague falls on those who worshiped the image of the beast. Babylon is parallel to the Great City in 16:19, but no direct connection is made within the chapter between Babylon and the image of the beast. However, there are strong […] The post The Image of the Beast (Rebekah Liu Dissertation): (5) The Image of the Beast in Rev 16 appeared first on Jon Paulien's Blog. View the full article
  24. Gregory Matthews

    Ellen White & the Bible

    Thank you and I have so posted in my post.
  25. GHansen

    Ellen White & the Bible

    Chaplain Matthews, Guillermo César Hansen and i are not the same person.
  26. GHansen

    Ellen White & the Bible

    Luther's comments on the Sabbath in his Genesis commentary say that Abraham kept the same Sabbath that Adam kept in Eden prior to the Fall and that Adam continued to keep it after the Fall. That knowledge was passed down and conveyed to Abraham by Shem/Melchisedec. If you believe there has been a confusion of which day is actually the 7th day, that's another issue entirely, one which is beyond the scope of our conversation from my viewpoint. You said that Luther did not believe Abraham did not keep the Sabbath. That's false. Luther did believe Abraham kept the Sabbath, the same one Adam kept. As for Luther's view of the third commandment, actually the fourth, if that is something that interests you, you'll have to solve that questions yourself. Same for his views on the difference between the natural, moral, and ceremonial laws. Luther was confused about those things.
  27. Gustave

    Ellen White & the Bible

    GHansen, if you would be willing to do so could you explain or describe Luther's teaching on the difference between the Moral and Natural law? Did Luther believe that there was an aspect of the 3rd Commandment that was ceremonial or Judicial - if so what was it?
  28. Gustave

    Ellen White & the Bible

    GHansen, everyone knows that the earth is round and Saturday for one person could be different than someone else living on another part of the planet. This isn't what I was talking about - if someone today who lived in the same area Abraham lived were to wind back the clock backwards from a current Saturday and substract cycling 7 day weeks all the way back to Abraham I'm saying that Abraham WOUDN'T have been observing the same day (whatever the day would have been called back then) as Jew's or SdA's in that same area say is "the 7th day Sabbath". I'm hanging my argument on Luther's holding the same understanding about the "ceremonial" law that I do - that anything above and beyond natural or moral law is ceremonial and came by means of supernatural communication. The Jews weren't separated from the other nations because they had the Ten Commandments - because EVERYONE on the planet had the Ten Commandments. The Jews were separated from the other nations by the things ALIEN to all the other nations of the world - things the Jews couldn't have known without supernatural communication. God got these special instructions to the Jews NOT THE CHINESE or Aztec Indians.
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