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  1. 4 points
    Stan

    My New Project, check out the person on page 6

    First edition of the Magazine published in cooperation with the General Conference, Office of Adventist Mission and the Seventh-day Adventist Church in Canada. For information on subscribing to this please email MessengerSA@adventist.ca http://issues.adventistmessenger.ca/books/clae/
  2. 3 points
    This goes along with what I heard once, "We will have the capacity to sin (in heaven), but we won't want to." Just like the angels in heaven now, they still have the power of choice. But when they see what our world is like now, there is no way they would be tempted to follow Satan.
  3. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Lutherans & SDAS agree & Unite

    For the past several years a Lutheran congregation in in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, has owned a building in which a SDA congregation has also worshiped along with the Lutherans. On April 13, 2019, the SDAs assumed ownership of that building. As part of that process, the Lutheran congregation will continue to share in the use of the building. IOW, the building will continuer to be used by both groups for ministry. This agreement included the Minnesota Conference (SDA). For more detail, see the cited reference below. The above information came from: OUTLOOK, June 2019, pages 20 & 21.
  4. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    The Sabbath

    Worth thinking about: https://spectrummagazine.org/views/2019/our-sabbath-rest-jesus
  5. 3 points
    JoeMo

    Who condemned Jesus?

    The Bible contains many stories of Jesus socializing with Pharisees. His greatest apostle was a Pharisee. I don't recall a single Bible story of Jesus socializing with Sadducees. Maybe it made Him sad, you see? If believe that Jesus may have identified with true Pharisees; while He reviled the hypocritical ones.
  6. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    The One Project

    Hobie: Among the many accusations made against The One Project, few have suggested Willow Creek as a source. Many have suggested another source. You must be aware of information that has not generally been available to others. Was this a divine revelation?
  7. 3 points
    Bravus

    A chill coming in American culture

    I was classified as a missionary, I think, and went to 'missionary school' prior to moving there and so on, but my role was as a teacher educator. Pacific Adventist University (then Pacific Adventist College) draws students from all over the Pacific, not just Papua New Guinea, so I taught Samoan, Fijian and Solomon Islands students as well as Papua New Guineans. My particular field is science education, so I was involved in preparing the Adventist physics and chemistry teachers for the region. It was a great time in our lives: we had a 2 year old daughter when we moved to PNG and our second daughter was born while we lived there. I ended up coming back to Australia sooner than originally planned to start my PhD.
  8. 3 points
    B/W Photodude

    Who's fooling who?

    "Rightly dividing" the word of God does not come even by careful reading of it. Which is why Paul stated in 2 Tim 3:7, "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." I have met people that can recite long passages of Scripture and cannot even correctly verbalize the meaning of it. The Pharisees of Jesus's time on earth, were intently studying Scripture looking for the Messiah and did not even recognize Him walking among them. I suspect that the same is even true of EGW's writings. Those who reject the gift given thru her or are other wise critical of what we have been given thru her will not really understand it. So, I would be careful of dismissing things that you don't understand.
  9. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    When Was Jesus Crucified?

    Kevin is absolutely correct when he essentially tells us that in the time of Christ, Passover was observed differently according to the specific sect to which one subscribed. I may differ from my friend Gustave, as to which date I prefer. I may think that my choice is a better one. But, the bottom line is, as I understand it, none of the suggested dates can be determined to absolutely correct. Just as I may suggest that Gustave is wrong, so also may he say the same for my preferred date.
  10. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    When Was Jesus Crucified?

    Without getting into a discussion of the actual year that Christ died, there are two issues: 1) In the time of Christ, the Passover was celebrated on a couple of different dates by the different Jewish sects. I think. I should probably look more into this. 2) Hebrew culture in that time considered the phrase "three days and t here night" to fit the Friday to Sunday schedule. It is the same type of thing as if I were to say: It has been raining cats and dogs. Few would misunderstand me.
  11. 3 points
    R. G. White

    Variations in SDA Belief

    I appreciate your perspective. The state of the SDA Church today is indeed rather sorry, but I trust that God still has His plans for its purification.
  12. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    Who's fooling who?

    Thank you for your comments. I hope no one thinks I am one of those who values the SOP books over the Bible or any other writers over the Bible. But it seems to me that we as a church were especially blessed by the messages given to the church thru Sister Ellen. And after almost 2000 years with no prophets receiving visions, it is encouraging that the silence was broken. This is not to say that many others faithful to God did not receive inspiration from heaven in their work for God. I have had people who did not want to refer to SOP books saying they only wanted to read from the Bible. I find this interesting as if I took this to a logical conclusion, I would not listen to them either! Books from writers no longer with us are a way for them to remain a part of a discussion even after death. I find it interesting to be reading a chapter in the Testimonies, and every paragraph I find myself thinking that would be a good sermon. Next paragraph a different sermon. And this can go one for quite some time. There are those who refuse to quote Sister Ellen in sermons at church. This I find disturbing and I soon find they lack a bit of credibility attempting to preach in an SDA church and have no use for Sister Ellen. However, I have also known those more interested in what Sister Ellen says than what the Bible says. This is also wrong in its own way. So, there is a lot to be said for moderation and not going off deep ends on either side of the EGW writings discussion.
  13. 2 points
    The Bible says we will be priests and kings in the Kingdom; not mindless automatons. "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." (Rev. 1:6) "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." (Rev. 5:10) Also note that it says we will rule on earth; not in some gigantic spaceship.
  14. 2 points
    Kevin H

    Who condemned Jesus?

    Yes indeed. We even have record of a Pharisee who told Jesus that Herod wanted to see him, that Pharisee risked his life to warn Jesus. The Sadducees were corrupt puppets of Rome, who bribed Rome to remain in power. When Jesus cleaned the temple, the money changers were raising money to pay Pilate's bribery money.
  15. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    The One Project

    Over the years, many false accusations have been made by people who have simply repeated false stories and not discovered the facts themselves. That is exactly what you did. Anyone falsely accused deserves better than that. All can face true criticism. None should have to face the false. You have made a false accusation. Investigate. Discover the truth. Engage in a discussion of the truth. I do not have a problem with that. I do have a problem with that which is false. So, should you.
  16. 2 points
    Kevin H

    Who condemned Jesus?

    While Jesus had a rocky relationship with the Pharisees, it was the Sadducees who had Jesus arrested and had the Sadduceen (or kangaroo) court. The Sadducee courts would have 23 elders of the Sanhedrin usually all Sadducee with the high Priest to make 24 elders, they would purposely have a mock trial with witnesses who contradicted each other as being part the mockery. Then they would usually drag their victim out and stone them to death. (Only the Roman's were allowed to use Crucifixion but they were not the only ones allowed to put to death). Now, if the Sadducee's victim was too popular they would bring them to the Roman governor (who they were paying the money from the money changing system in the Temple to bribe) who would crucify them. They understood the Old Testament verse "Cursed is anyone who dies on a tree" as meaning that only God's enemies would hang on a tree. Hanging a religious leader on a tree would be seen as a sandal on the same level as if you were to catch a pastor stealing the church funds or having an affair or anything else that could spoil a reputation. Despite the problems between Jesus and the Pharisees, they tended to be honest people who would have wanted to look for a real reason for a court decision, and among the different schools of the Pharisees they often could not agree.
  17. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Who's fooling who?

    In the quote below, HCH has demonstrated my previous comment as to approaching the Bible from the standpoint of imposing events in the common life today on the Bible. Any idea that the Bible has something to say about a vacation taken by a President of the United States is simply beyond belief. This approach holds the Bible up to ridicule and should be rejected by any person who believes in the Bible.
  18. 2 points
    debbym

    A chill coming in American culture

    rape is about abuse of power. homosexual rape is also abuse of power. We are to use our power to give life protect life and empower life. Their destruction it was not about homosexuality it was murder and rape and wanton disregard for life. As stewards of their lives, the people who were destroyed by God had exhausted every mercy, every pleading, and became guilty of rejecting the Holy Spirit and lost all restraint of evil. God help us to be established in a life rooted in and built on the Love of Christ, and continually fed by streams of light by the Holy Spirit
  19. 2 points
    Gustave

    Variations in SDA Belief

    Nice to see other Star Trek aficionados!
  20. 2 points
    Kevin H

    Lutherans & SDAS agree & Unite

    Mrs. White had issues with the idea of her being an inspired interpreter of scripture. She saw her ministry as making application of the message of the Bible, of pointing out neglected portions of scripture, and to point out what was a part of the ancient culture and thus on the minds of the Bible writers and their audience as they wrote and heard and thought about scripture, but which is not a part of our culture and we would not think about had she not told it to us: the issues of the Great Controversy. But when it comes to Biblical interpretation and exegesis she tells us that is OUR job NOT hers. She even seems a bit envious of us and bewildered that people wanted her to interpret scripture. When asked to she would either ignore the request or tell the requester that this is their job not hers. When she heard people using her writings to interpret scripture she wrote things like "My writings are not to be used in answering questions such as 'what is the meaning of the daily?'"
  21. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Lutherans & SDAS agree & Unite

    Good for them! One of the SDA churches I attend rents the chapel in a Presbyterian Church. Their reason - they have more resources to give to the community and church if they don't have to pay for building and maintaining a stand-alone church.
  22. 2 points
    JoeMo

    To Consider

    Sometimes when people ask if I'm a Christian, I ask them what do you mean by Christian?" After they respond (frequently in a denominational manner), I say "yeah, a little bit". That tends to arouse their curiosity and leads to me telling them that I believe what I read in the Bible with as little denominational bias as possible. Then (sometimes) we can have a Bible-based discussion rather than a debate or argument.
  23. 2 points
    pierrepaul

    When Was Jesus Crucified?

    Many SDAs I know feel "bound" by the 31 AD theory as this date is cited in Desire of Ages. The church has never articulated a coherent theory on the validity of specific historical data cited by Ellen White in her writing; the church likely cannot do so without upsetting large segments of the membership. Many members hold to a verbal-inspiration, inerrancy, infallibility view of her published writings. Their close cousins are the "if she's wrong about this trivial detail, nothing she wrote can be trusted" members who seek to disparage her entire ministry.
  24. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Ask Quora

    As many of you know, I participate in Quora, an International Internet question and answer site. The majority of the questions asked there are valid questions. However, the following is an example of a question and answer given today: Q: How many feet are in 20 square feet? R: Count the number of bilegged people standing in the 20 square feet and multiply by 2.
  25. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Variations in SDA Belief

    I disagree. Programmed obedience is not obedience at all - it's either slavery or a computer program. Love and obedience must always a free-choice option if we are indeed made in the image of our Creator. I don't want to be an immortal robot. If I have no sense of self, what do I have a sense of? satan thinks that the only way to truly express free will is through rebellion. God thinks the only way to truly express free will is by voluntarily putting aside self out of love for Him and those around us. Some think satan was trying to prove to Jesus that He didn't even have a free will. He dared Jesus to jump off of a high precipice to commit suicide. satan claimed that God's angels would immediately intervene to ensure that Jesus would NOT kill Himself. satan ultimately lost that debate.
  26. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Who's fooling who?

    To subtract 457 from the 2300 figure to obtain a date of 1843 is a common mistake that is made by people who do not understand the BC/AD dating system that we have today. That actual data obtained by such is not 1843. Ignorance of the issue involved here can not be excused as a technical issue that should only be expected to be known by scholars. This issue has been published so widely that we can expect that everyone who comments on this date would be aware of the issue and make the appropriate adjustment to the date obtained. The actual date is 1844. The adjustment that is required to be made is due to the fact that there is not a "zero year" that exists between a BC and an AD date. The following website is one place where one can become informed as to this issue. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero NOTE: My comment here is NOT focused on HCH. He has quoted from people who have used the 1843 date as well as the 1844 date.
  27. 2 points
    Kevin H

    When Was Jesus Crucified?

    The Wednesday Crucifixion is very popular among those who want to find the bazaar and show that others are wrong, they also tend to be anti education. Herbert W. Armstrong was one of the major pushers of this view. A lot of this (as well as views of perfection that plague our church) is reading the words of the Bible but through speculation instead of education, and being westerners we tend to filter our speculations through Greek thinking as opposed to Eastern/Hebrew thinking.
  28. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    When Was Jesus Crucified?

    Seventh-day Adventist scholars have generally believed that the exact date for the crucifixion of Christ can not be absolutely determined. * They have ruled out a date founded in ancient tradition of 29 CE (AD) * They have generally held that the crucifixion probably occurred during either 30 CE, or 31 CE or 33 CE. * As early as the 13th century, the crucifixion was thought to have occurred in 33 CE. Today, this is a minority view. The evidence is considered strong for a rejection of this view. Part of the reason for the rejection of this is that it was based upon what we now believe to be a faulty understanding of the Jewish calendar. There are also other reasons for rejecting t his date. * CE 30 has probably been the most common current belief as to the crucifixion. But, this date is based upon some assumptions that are rejected by some scholars. * CE 31 has more generally been accepted as the date for the crucifixion by SDA scholars. * However, the data is not conclusive. The actual date can not be established from what we know about the lunar-calendar system of the Jews. My personal position is: 1) We do not conclusively know. 2) I am comfortable with and date in the 30 - 33 range. 3) This is not an important issue that matters. 4) In my personal ministry I lean toward the 31 date.
  29. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    Who's fooling who?

    Regarding the 18lb. Bible- J. N. Loughborough wrote in his book "The Great Second Advent movement"of the holding up of this Bible. What we have missed about this story is that it was an attempt by "unbelievers" Robbins and Sargent to prove that Sister Ellen's visions were of the devil. The belief at the time was that placing a Bible on someone in a vision from the devil would break the spell. I photographed the pages rather than typing them all out. The visions were also discussed: https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/652.86 And were part of this book: https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/652/info A Youtube video also dramatizes the event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_CAQD11kBk
  30. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    When Was Jesus Crucified?

    It does not add up as we understand it. I can refer you to 5SDABC, 1980 edition, pages 248 through 251, which provides an extensive discussion of this issue. I Do not think that I could give a good summation of what it says there in a post here.
  31. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Variations in SDA Belief

    If we lose our free will, we will cease to be the sentient divine imagers that we were created to be. Without our free will, we are simply robots fueled by vegeburger and broccoli. If we are "programmed" to love, trust and obey, are we really voluntarily following God?
  32. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    Notice to All

    The Wanderer and I communicate off this site. He has left Adventistan. But he sent this message: "I should have mentioned that the reason I have left the forum is not because I was asked to, its just something I felt I needed to do. Although I have had a number of unpleasant experiences there which were already making me rethink what I do online, I felt I needed to devote more time & energy to my studies in Linux certification, web design & photography. You can keep an eye on my developing web site skills at https://lightintheclouds.ca/
  33. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Variations in SDA Belief

    We are all responsible individually for how we relate to God. It is not the responsibility of a denomination to instruct us how to do so. It's obvious to me that different people and cultures relate to scripture differently. If this were not so, there would not be thousands of Christian denominations. For me, Adventism come closest to how I want to relate to God. For my siblings, it is still Catholicism. For my daughter and her husband, it's Calvary Chapel. Although I won't say a rosary, I have no problem otherwise worshiping with any of them. I would continue to attend an SDA Church even if I was disfellowshipped.
  34. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Variations in SDA Belief

    I agree with this. I would also add that in this life we should learn the Heavenly Family business as well as the Family values - part of which is unconditional love, trust, and dependence on our Creator. I disagree with this. We will have a free will throughout eternity. IMHO, we are born sinners in this age - we are genetically predisposed to sin. We sin because we are sinners; we are not sinners because we sin. Part of our rebirth in the spirit will be to have a genetic predisposal to NOT sin. We will have the free will to sin or not sin; but the saved will never choose to sin. Just my opinion.
  35. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    Who's fooling who?

    That doesn't work well in the flow of a thread, especially when you start quoting someone they will want to know the response. Also not really friendly to put the burden on someone else to ignore and/or move around one's bad behavior. The first response could have been followed by a "sorry, I misinterpreted what you said." then we could be all done.
  36. 2 points
    Lone Ranger

    Variations in SDA Belief

    IMO... I believe there is another class of people regarding views on the sabbath, that being those legitimate, sincere God-fearing Christians who HAVE studied the question, sincerely and deeply, and have NOT come to the conclusion that God requires 7th-day observance, based on evidence they feel is stronger.
  37. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Who's fooling who?

    Certainly we will be held accountable for any rejection of an attempt by the Holy Spirit to teach us. If we refuse to be taught by the Holy Spirit, that is a rejection of God. But, my salvation does not in any way depend upon my lack of study in a direction that does not come from the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit does not lead me to study the Satanic Bible, my failure to study that book will not result in my loss of salvation. In the same sense, if the Holy Spirit does not lead me to study a message from HCH, my failure to study his message will not lead to my loss of my salvation.
  38. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Variations in SDA Belief

    Just because SDA evangelists have been preaching it for over 150 years doesn't make it true. The sea beast isn't "obviously" the papacy; although I will concede it might be). Concerning the "deadly wound" which was healed, another alternative could the Ottoman Empire (aka the Islamic Caliphate) which was officially dissolved in the 1920's; and seems to be roaring back in the same areas it ruled for over 1,000 years; and seems to be spreading all over the world faster than any other religion. Muslims will outnumber Christians by 2050 by birth rate alone; earlier with conversions. It's deadly wound is healed as well. IMHO, it is time for Christians to quit criticizing and attacking each other and unite under our common beliefs in Christ an Creator, the Son of God, and Savior. If we continue to fight each other instead of on the increasing hostile acts against Christian in general that are rapidly developing all over the world (including in North America and Western Europe), we will be overwhelmed in the end times. In fact, scripture says the church will be overwhelmed: “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise. He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. (Dan. 8:23-25) "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them." (Rev .13:6-7) SDA's will not be the only ones saved in the end times; and the Sabbath will not be the major end-time issue.
  39. 2 points
    pierrepaul

    Variations in SDA Belief

    I would agree. I would also suggest that the persecutor of the saints might again change identity before earth's history closes.
  40. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    Variations in SDA Belief

    I found I had an easier time having Sabbaths off when I did not work for SDA institutions. Can you imagine asking your superviser at Loma Linda for the Sabbath off? When I worked at one non-Adventist hospital where we had self-scheduling, I maybe had to work one Sabbath a year! Another one once amonth. Actually, the Bible does not actually prohibit polygamy. You just cannot be a leader of the church with more than one wife. This becomes an issue if you are doing missionary work in a country where polygamy exists. Would you really ask the man to cut loose some of his wives who have made their lives with him and his family? Maybe you could make a case for no more wives.
  41. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Who's fooling who?

    The White Estate has the Bible that it is said that EGW held above her head. It has been weighed at 18 1/2 pounds. That is less than the 3 gallons of milk that HCH says is the minimum that the Bible weighs. It is far less than the 40 pounds that has been alleged to be its weight. What this demonstrates is that even if there is some truth in this myth, there is also error. The story that we have today can not be depended upon.
  42. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Who's fooling who?

    A myth, as I use the term may be either true or false. A myth should not be considered automaticly to be false. The following quote is part of that myth that surrounds Adventism and Ellen White. It should be pointed out that truth is not established by a miracle. A miracle may have a source that is not from God. On this basis, one should not base their belief in something on an alleged miracle. Some Seventh-day Adventist historians today, believe that this story of EGW and the Bible is not substantiated. IOW, we can not be certain that it actually happened. Perhaps it did happen. But, perhaps it did not happen. Therefore, I will suggest that we should take with caution any suggestion that it did happen. But, if it did, so what? That would not establish that God was the source.
  43. 2 points
    phkrause

    Too Close for Comfort

    Marty Mittleman was coming back from his nephew’s bar mitzvah party where he may have had a few too many l’chaims and he rear-ended the car in front of him. Being that he was a lawyer, Marty got out of his car, walked over to the driver of the other car and said, "Boy, are you in trouble! I'm a lawyer!" The driver looked out his window and said, "I’m not so sure about that. I'm a judge."
  44. 2 points
    phkrause

    Sleep Doctor

    Miriam hasn’t been sleeping well thanks to her husband Moishe so she goes to her doctor for help. "Dr. Feldman, I can’t sleep. My husband Moishe has a habit of talking in his sleep! What should I give him to cure it?" Dr. Feldman replies: "Miriam, why don’t you try giving him an opportunity to speak when he's awake."
  45. 2 points
    phkrause

    The Sisterhood Book Club

    Rebbetzin Rosen was trying to come up with an appropriate booklist for the new book club she was starting with the sisterhood at the shul so she decided to canvas some of the members about their favorite books. The Rebbetzin asked Shirley Cohen, "Which book has helped you most in your life?" Shirley replied, "My husband's check book!!"
  46. 2 points
    pierrepaul

    Variations in SDA Belief

    The following is from my personal experience. Since SDA membership is a local congregation matter, practice varies from congregation to congregation. Alcohol - I know of no congregation that disfellowshipped members for alcohol consumption. But they would be excluded from leadership positions. I suppose though, were a member to be "in your face" about it, such as ordering wine at the restaurant with other members, bringing beer to the church-family picnic or pouring a scotch for oneself during a pastoral visit, the congregation would likely take disciplinary action. I wouldn't recommend bringing one's own fermented wine to communion. Working on the Sabbath - again likely this would exclude one from leadership positions, but I doubt the church body would be moved to disfellowship. But if one is being disruptive, such as taking business calls on sabbath and loudly discussing and negotiating business matters on the phone during the Sabbath fellowship luncheon, the congregation may take action. I wouldn't recommend passing out business cards and advertisements in the church lobby after the service. Trinitarianism - no one cares if you keep your views to yourself. But if you're disrupting sabbath school with anti-trinitarian views, and if during sabbath afternoon fellowship you won't shut up about arianism or whatever one's pet theory is, the congregation may take action. Transsubstantiation - if you keep your beliefs to yourself, no one will care. If, during communion you yell out "hoc est corpus meum", the congregation may take action. Infant baptism - if you baptize your baby at home, no one will really care. But if during a baby dedication you rush to the front of the church to sprinkle the baby with water before the deacons can intercept you and wrestle you to the ground, the congregation may take action. Multiple wives - sex, divorce, adultery, etc. are about the only things that I've seen resulting in a disfellowshipping. I believe few congregations in North America would countenance polygamy. EGW - I've known many SDAs who don't acknowledge EGW as a prophet. As long as they don't disrupt sabbath school class or pester people with their pet theories, no one cares.
  47. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    Variations in SDA Belief

    I think the average Israelite knew much more about what the temple services were all about than we think. They had Moses to teach them and he was one who spent a lot of time with God face to face learning all about what the Sanctuary was all about. While the Bible is very descriptive of the temple and its furniture, I see no reason why Moses would not have had very detailed instructions in the meanings of the temple services. The Closed Door is not really one of our beliefs today. However, End of Probation and Investigative Judgement are very much a part of the Scriptures. And the "absolute sinless perfection of God's Church" I also believe is very much a part of Scripture. If they are not part of Scripture, it does not matter who is promoting it, it would be a spurious teaching that should not be a part of our belief system. You just have to look for it. I do not believe the early pioneers of our church were wrong in those beliefs.
  48. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Variations in SDA Belief

    Also, are we ready for Jesus to come, whatever the actual scenario turns out to be? Are we faithful to believe that God is in control even if we are not? If we truly love and believe in/depend on our Lord Jesus, His Spirit will guide us into all truth. Currently, I could be mistaken, you could be mistaken, or we both could be mistaken. We may not be "uniform" in our personal beliefs, but we are "united in our search for the Way, the Truth, and the Light.
  49. 2 points
    Bravus

    A chill coming in American culture

    Thanks for your thoughtful comments, Trevor. My perspective is not especially formed by the fact that I live on the Gold Coast. I've lived here for 7 years, but before that, in reverse chronological order: Brisbane, Australia - 6 years Edmonton, Canada - 5 years Perth, Australia - 6 years Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea - 2 years Sydney, Australia - 1 year Melbourne, Australia - 3 years Cooranbong, Australia - 20 years Sydney, Australia - 6 years Including the excluded is right everywhere, not just in the Gold Coast.
  50. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    A chill coming in American culture

    I have just read the long comment as to what a proposed bill would actually do: * To force hospitals and physicians to do sex reassignment surgery against their will is simply false and a failure to understand the present health-care system. Hospitals may limit their services. Some hospitals do not do labor and delivery. Some hospitals do not have an Emergency department. All such is allowed. * I once lived in a culture where males and females freely went into the others bathroom. * I worked my way through the Seminary at Andrews University by cleaning bathrooms in the college. I quickly learned that the female college students were not going to stay out of the bathrooms when I was cleaning them. [NOTE: I normally did my bathroom cleaning in the evening after most classes were finished.] I got used to it. I did not bother the women and they did not bother me. * In commercial activities, one should not be allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. IOW, if you are a photographer who takes wedding photographs, you should not be allowed to discriminate against same sex weddings. If however, you are a photographer who does not do wedding photographs, you should not be required to photograph any wedding.
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