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  1. GHansen

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    Gustave, this wasn't a topic that interested me in previous times; however, I have become interested. I've also figured out how to use the filters at the EGW writings website. Those are very helpful in eliminating duplicate statements. Instead of ~200 or more statements, there are only ~50 on the "personality of God." I've not found any statements I would consider anti-trinity. Definitely many which place the personality of God issue in the context of Kellogg's pantheism. The word "personality" would better be understood as "personhood." She refers to Christ and the Father as distinct personalities. It appears that she means distinct persons. I didn't notice the mention of the Holy Spirit in any statement referring to the personalities/personhood of God and Christ. I did notice the following: "This Scripture is applicable to all who regard God as He is represented in Living Temple. Those who continue to accept the sophistry in this book will be led on and on in delusion, just as were many to whom I was commissioned to bear a testimony after the passing of the time in 1844." 18 ltrms, ms 137 par. 23, 1903 "Just such theories as you have presented in Living Temple were presented then. These subtle, deceiving sophistries have again and again sought to find place amongst us. But I have ever had the same testimony to bear which I now bear regarding the personality of God." 18 ltrms ltr 253,1903 Apparently this was an issue around 1844, which was news to me. So you have quoted from James White, U. Smith, Dudley Canright [my uncle by marriage 4 generations back] and Stephen Haskell but not EGW. These are mere men, with no authority. You have yet to reveal a clear statement from EGW contra the trinity. Haskell was 10 years old in 1844. His article from October of 1903 carries no special authority, just his opinion. The issue of the trinity is, more or less meaningless, to some people. SDA are not Roman Catholics. The denomination is much closer to JWs in many respects than it is to RC. I don't understand the nature of the Godhead. Nobody does, this side of heaven. EGW herself was careful about her remarks on the subject. She definitely took issue with Kellogg around 1900 and apparently others in earlier days. That issue was clearly related to pantheism. If EGW was an Arian along with other pioneers, no matter to me. What I know is that, whatever the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, it is such that I can live forever because Jesus died on the cross for my sins
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  2. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) Proverbs 15:6 🎁 In the house of the righteous is much treasure: but in the revenues of the wicked is trouble.
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  3. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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  4. Kevin H

    Was EGW Ever Wrong?"

    Mrs. White tried to teach us how she wanted to be used. Due to Fundamentalism too often we try to squeeze her into the Fundamentalist framework. I find it ironic on how Stephen Haskell took pretty much every word of hers to be directly from God. Yet, he kept wanting to teach her how her visions work, and refused her disagreement on the topic. Haskell's view has basically won out in the church, which probably can be summarized as "Mrs. White was not infallible, it's just that she never made a mistake."
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  5. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) Proverbs 8:20 I [the Lord] lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: 👣
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  6. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) Proverbs 8:19 My [the Lord’s] fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. 🏆
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  7. phkrause

    Here's your (not so) totally useless fact(s) of the day:

    The ancient Persians often debated important ideas, both sober and drunk. They believed an idea had to sound good in both states to be acceptable. Maybe Congress should do that? On second thought, NO!!!! James
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  8. Gregory Matthews

    COVID & Masks

    People have questions about wearing a mask for COVID. The following article is a literature review of what has been published on this question. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220802/Study-shows-probability-of-getting-COVID-for-mask-wearers-vs-non-mask-wearers.aspx
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  9. Gregory Matthews

    Reporting Sex Abuse

    The following article reports on a current issue that the Mormon Church is facing related to reporting instances of the sexual abuse of children. Among the reasons that this article is of interest to me are the following two: In my prior life, I taught Army chaplains when they had a legal obligation to report such and when they had an obligation to not report it. While living in Colorado, local clergy were convicted of violating a Colorado law on the requirement to report such. NOTE: If this subject interests you, other articles on this issue with the Mormon Chruch are available on the Internet. https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-08-04/sex-abuse-and-the-mormon-church-help-line-4-takeaways
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  10. Gregory Matthews

    Reporting Sex Abuse

    The following article reports on a current issue that the Mormon Church is facing related to reporting instances of the sexual abuse of children. Among the reasons that this article is of interest to me are the following two: In my prior life, I taught Army chaplains when they had a legal obligation to report such and when they had an obligation to not report it. While living in Colorado, local clergy were convicted of violating a Colorado law on the requirement to report such. NOTE: If this subject interests you, other articles on this issue with the Mormon Chruch are available on the Internet. https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-08-04/sex-abuse-and-the-mormon-church-help-line-4-takeaways
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  11. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) Deuteronomy 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the Lord thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
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  12. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) Deuteronomy 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
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  13. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N). Job 36:11 😊 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.
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  14. Kevin H

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    As I understand Mrs. White's view of the trinity, we start with one God who is infinite, outside of time and space. Creatures are limited to time and space. If this infinite God just made life, they could not comprehend this infinite God; so they would naturally be atheists. Since we need a life giving relationship with God to exist, life would just come into life, be unable to comprehend the God they need the relationship with, so they die. Life and death would be sudden like popcorn popping. The infinite God had to reveal God's-self to the creatures. One of the things we need to know about this infinite God is that God is great, our creator, a great power. This aspect of God is what we see in who Christians call "God the Father". But if this was the ONLY revelation of the infinite God creatures had, life and death would still be sudden like popcorn popping, as they come to life, see this great awesome being and are quite literally scared to death. The infinite God also needed to reveal God's-self to finite creatures as a friend, approachable. Thus besides God the Father we have God the Son. Now, if the infinite God only revealed God's-self to finite creatures as God the Son, life would have some time. But once someone gets a dangerous idea, and God the Son warns them about the danger in that idea; the creature could reply "I enjoy your friendship, but what makes your ideas any better than mine?" and thus they will do things that would break the life giving relationship and creatures would die. To be able to exist creatures would need to hold a tension between God as this great power, but also as the approachable friend. So we find that God the Father was necessary, but insufficient. God the Son was necessary but insufficient. They needed to be both held in tension. But even the two were insufficient as these two were objective revelations of the infinite God. Like God, we are both objective and subjective. The infinite God also needed to reveal God's-self to our subjective existential experience. These three revelations together were both necessary and sufficient. Notice I said "necessary and sufficient" but did not say the word "complete". If the infinite God wanted to he could have revealed himself in enough revelations to make a Hindu's head spin and still not have everything. Mrs. White next has Lucifer asking some excellent questions about God. Sadly, and the mystery of iniquity is that despite the questions, Lucifer was not interested in finding the answers. Instead he just congratulated himself for being clever enough and having the intelligence to come up with these questions. He turned his questions into three deceptions about God. The first deception was asking if God was really God, or just a being as the same essence as creatures, who was only higher evolved, and wanted to prevent other creatures from evolving to this perfection by placing upon creatures the law of self sacrificing love. Where I'm too busy caring for you and you are too busy caring for me to bring ourselves to this perfection. Lucifer accused God of not keeping this law. (Headship theology, which has sadly become popular among different subgroups of our church, has God the Father breaking the law of self sacrificing love. The members of the trinity all submit to each other in self sacrificing love, but "headship theology" has God the Father receiving all submissions but submits to no one. If this was true, then Lucifer's first deception would be correct.) This first deception is an attack on God the Father. The second and third deceptions are based on how God claims to be both just and merciful. Lucifer says that it is impossible for God to be both, that he can only be one or the other. To be just, if anyone breaks God's law they absolutely need to die (and instead of it being a natural result from separating from the only source of life, Lucifer has God imposing an arbitrary death.) However, for God to be merciful, then God can't kill sinners but forgive them and let them live despite breaking the law of self-sacrificing love. Since God is a cruel, arbitrary tyrant he will of course side with justice. This attacks God the Son who has the personal relationship with us and who ended up dying for our salvation. After Calvary Satan has put more emphasis on his third deception that since Jesus died for us, that the law has been done away. Just say the magic words about accepting Jesus' death in our place and the law does not matter. This is an attack on the Holy Spirit who leads us into a deeper relationship with Christ and changes our life into becoming loving and lovable people and placing the law of self-sacrificing love on our hearts. As for the possibility of Jesus sinning. We are sinners because we have the sinful nature. I like to define the sinful nature with a quote from Mrs. White and the quote from the poet philosopher Eli Siegel. Mrs. White wrote "There is in man a disposition to esteem himself more highly than his breathern, to serve self to seek the highest place and often this results in evil surmisings and bitterness of spirit" Siege wrote "There is in every person a disposition to think they are for themselves by making less of the outside world." Jesus was born with human frailties, but he did NOT have this disposition that White and Siegel described. There was not anything of selfishness in him. Thus Satan needed to modify the temptations to his selfless character. Lucifer said that creatures could not obey the law of self sacrificing love. God had never been a creature before. Prior to the incarnation he would take the form of creatures, but in the incarnation he actually became a creature. In the crisis of Gethsemane and the passion, Jesus' deepest desire was to be with his beloved Father and Spirit. The Father's and Spirit's deepest desire was to be with their beloved God the Son. They all bore our sin. Jesus bore it in a special way in being a creature experiencing the passion. But allowing our sin to separate them from each other was a horrible burden on them each. This is the same experience that the lost will go through, except that they suffer on a finite level. Being infinite the trinity suffered on an infinite level. Would Jesus in all his human weakness continue to be faithful? Would God the Father and God the Spirit submit and allow Jesus to make his choice or will they intervene and force Jesus to do the right thing. Had Jesus, or any member of the trinity failed, it would not merely be the destruction of earth and demons and Moses, Enoch and Elijah be called to face a divine firing squad while the faithful angels sing the doxology. Had any of these failed, it would have shown that there was something selfish in God. That God was not who he claimed to be. All life would realize that God does not deserve our love. I'm not sure what would have happened to the infinite God but this would have destroyed all created life in the universe. God did not pretend to take a risk, God really did take a risk.
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  15. Kevin H

    Dan Jackson

    I'm sad to hear of his falling asleep. Grateful for his service and life.
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  16. phkrause

    Triathlete with Down's syndrome is Guinness World Record holder

    A woman with Down's syndrome who is the first to complete a sprint triathlon has become a Guinness World Record holder. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-62294774?
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  17. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N). Psalm 55:16 🗣 As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me.
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  18. Gregory Matthews

    Fire Lessons

    Lessons from the fire: The origin of the fire occurred when a guest of wind opened the top of a garbage container. Glass bottles then magnified the rays of the sun and caused paper products to begin to burn. That fire was then transmitted to nearby brush and trees, which resulted in a fire that burned some 450 to 500 acres and destroyed five homes. See: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chief-bottle-magnified-sunlight-ignited-possum-kingdom-fire-87591572
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  19. Gregory Matthews

    Female Pastors

    The following article informs on issues related female SDA pastors. https://atoday.org/of-sequins-and-swimming-in-the-sea-why-is-it-so-hard-to-know-how-many-adventist-women-pastors-there-are/
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  20. Gregory Matthews

    18 YO Physician!

    She graduated from High school at the age of 12, and she intends to be a physician by the time she turns 18. See: https://atoday.org/alena-wicker-youll-probably-call-her-doctor-before-you-call-her-an-adult/
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  21. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 🕊
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  22. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 🥰
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  23. Gregory Matthews

    Steal a Tesla

    With thanks to Bottom Line Personal, August 1, 2022, if you own either a Tesla Model 3 or Model Y, it probably can be stolen in seconds by a thief with a laptop who knows what to do. To protect yourself, disable the vehicle’s proximity-based unlocking functionality.
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  24. phkrause

    Paul Sorvino

    Paul Sorvino, 'Goodfellas' and 'Law & Order' star, dead at 83 (CNN)Paul Sorvino, an imposing actor whose roles ranged from the mob boss in "Goodfellas" to an early stint on the long-running cop drama "Law & Order," has died, according to his publicist Roger Neal. He was 83. https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/25/entertainment/paul-sorvino-obit/
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  25. Gregory Matthews

    Salvation

    The following is a good article on salvation. https://spectrummagazine.org/arts-essays/2022/assurance-salvation
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  26. Stan

    DOJ sues city for discrimination on behalf of Adventist

    The Justice Department has filed suit against the city of Lansing, Michigan, claiming it discriminated against a Seventh-day Adventist when it fired her for refusing to work on her Sabbath. According to the complaint, when the city hired Sylvia Coleman as a detention officer, she disclosed that because of her religious beliefs, she was unavailable... The post DOJ sues city for discrimination on behalf of Adventist appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV / Founders' First Freedom®. View the full article
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  27. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N). 1 Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye ; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 👑
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  28. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N)1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, 👁 Eye hath not seen, nor ear 👂🏻 heard, neither have entered into the heart ❤️ of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.🥰
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  29. GHansen

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    I'd like to see one statement supporting the above. I doubt that EGW ever said such a thing, essentially that the Godhead would have been destroyed if Jesus had sinned. EGW never used the term trinity. She used the Biblical term Godhead. I consider that an implied rejection of the trinity doctrine. She was not subject to the Papacy, its traditions, or proclamations. She described three unique beings united in purpose and power. She frequently quoted Scripture, "In him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." Scripture is quite vivid in describing the triune nature of the Godhead. The baptismal formula "in the name of Jesus" subsumes the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" All power was given to Jesus. To baptize in his name includes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. That's the Godhead EGW correctly referred to. What others believed, said or wrote is, as far as I'm concerned, irrelevant. If the Athanasian creed agrees with EGW, that's fine. If not, that's the problem for the Papacy, not me. You've never shown a single statement in which EGW wrote against the Godhead. When she did speak of it, she referred to 3 unique beings united in purpose.
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  30. Gregory Matthews

    Sabbath Work

    The following is an interesting religious liberty case: https://spectrummagazine.org/news/2022/city-sued-doj-discriminating-against-adventist-church-member
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  31. Tom Durst

    NOTHING CAN SEPARATE US FROM GOD'S LOVE

    NOTHING CAN SEPARATE US FROM GOD’S LOVE Nothing can separate us from God’s love so no person can really harm or detract in the least from who we are in God (see Romans 8:31-39). IT IS IN THAT SENSE THAT WE HAVE NO ENEMIES. "Forgiveness is the cleansing fire that burns away old regrets and resentments.”--Jonathan Lockwood Huie For the complete article from which this excerpt is selected read LOVING OUR ENEMIES on the link below: https://advaita.proboards.com/thread/385/loving-enemies
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  32. Gregory Matthews

    Evacuation in Crisis

    NOTE: The following material was prepared and published by the Northern California Conference. I have edited it to remove some content specific to the NCC, such as telephone numbers. I am posting it as I believe it will be helpful to people living outside of the Northern California—Gregory Matthews. The following tips are lessons learned from personal experiences of wildfire survivors in our territory. The links provided direct you to sites maintained by state, county, city, or public media. STAY CONNECTED, INFORMED, AND COMMUNICATE IS KEY • Connect to your county/city/state emergency alert system. Click here to find yours. • Create a phone tree with your neighbors and/or church members that can act as an early warning system as well. • Identify church members/neighbors that might need extra assistance to evacuate and create a plan. • [Material removed—GM] PREPARE TO EVACUATE • Take a video of your home inside and out. • Create a go-bag for each family member and/or pet(s). Click for an example of what to put in your go-bag. Keep it packed and in an easily accessible pathway to your exit door or car. Plastic duffle bags are convenient, waterproof, easy to stuff, and cram into the car. • Pre-pack items in your car so you know where things will fit. • Create various evacuation plans and practice them. The less thinking the better. • Scenario 1. You have 1 minute to leave. • Scenario 2. You have 1 hour to leave. • Scenario 3. You are in a warning zone but have time. • Drive various evacuation routes and look for potential issues. Familiarize yourself with the side roads and turn around points of each route. Take note of low-hanging trees. Narrow two-lane roads. Find the best route and put it into your evacuation plan. • Create and save pre-determined routes in your phone’s navigation app. Relying on voice direction commands while driving can reduce stress and mistakes. However, be prepared to change your plans. • Buy a pair of yellow tinted glasses that will help you see better in smoky, dark roads. • Install backup room lights that operate on batteries and solar/battery-powered lights along the outside of your house along the evacuation pathway. LED switch style lights in every room and solar-powered lights on a deck or pathway are helpful. EVACUATION Evacuation happens in stages, especially if you leave immediately. Understanding this will help with that overwhelming feeling. Stage 1 - First 30 minutes to 3 hours • Find a safe place to stop and assess your situation. • Let the stress and adrenaline drop to normal levels. • Activate the phone tree or reach out to your loved ones if possible. • If your church or school is the safe place, you might want to create a plan at the site prior to the disaster. • Once you are sure about your short-term plan for shelter and food, activate it. Stage 2 – Short Term (within hours to 3 days) • Assess and decide on your short-term options for shelter and other vital resources (1 to 3 days). Hotel. Friend’s house. Evacuation Center. • Register at the official evacuation site as soon as possible, even if you are not staying there. They will have resources and most importantly the registration will help with recovery. • Connect your local pastor/head elder . [This has been edited—GM.] Stage 3 – Mid-Term (3 to 14 days) • This is the most difficult time because you are not sure when you will be allowed back into your home, if you have a home to return to, and if so, what state it will be in when the evacuation order is lifted. You just have to keep praying for patience and wisdom as you make decisions. • Evaluate your mid-term options (4 to 14 days). May include connecting with your insurance provider to help with temporary housing. • Continue to stay informed with official sites [edited—GM] or your law enforcement sites. Do not rely on the news or word of mouth as this can cause more confusion. It usually takes officials a few days to get the information flow going but having been through a couple of fires over the years, law enforcement and [edited—GM] are doing a much better job. They usually review information at 6 AM and 6 PM on their social media channels. Stage 4 – Long-term plan • Establish your long-term plan if it looks like you will be evacuated for some time. RECOVERY • You are your best advocate and do not be afraid to ask question or challenge decisions. Recovery is a process, so pray for patience and wisdom. • Being informed will help with recovery. Review your insurance policy now and understand what you should do, when you should do it, and what to expect. • Even if you just evacuate, this is trauma, and the trauma may show up in unusual areas of your life and those in your family. Be aware of them and seek counsel if you are unprepared to deal with them. • Be careful of scams and people/organizations who are trying to help. The best place to seek help/resources is at the evacuation centers established by your county or city. • When you are allowed back to your home still standing but the power was off, prepared to throw all your food away. Take large trash bags/cans, masks, and gloves and clean out your refrigerator and all your stored food.
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  33. GHansen

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    Well, that's obviously false. The Bible depicts 3 distinct entities in Revelation 4, for example. The Father upon the throne, the HS as the 7 lamps of fire, and the slain lamb. In Daniel 7, we have the Ancient of Days, the river of fire, and the Son of Man. Haskell's article sees the distinct persons of God as essential to Adventism due, in part, to this depiction in Daniel 7: "If God has no personality, there is no sanctuary in heaven, for God dwells in it; there are no angels, for they compose his throne; there is no Satan, for he is a fallen angel, and was cast out of heaven (John 12 : 31 ; Luke HI: 18) the Bible is a myth, and bears false tes- timony, because it declares all this." Advent Review and Sabbath Herald | October 8, 1903 | Adventist Digital Library The heavenly sanctuary is foundational to Adventism. The unsubstantiated claims you have made to which I refer include: 1. That EGW herself ever wrote against the "trinity." 2. That Kellogg's issues with the denomination pertained to his belief in the "trinity." 3. That EGW's references to the personality of God were in themselves anti-trinitarian.
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  34. bonnie

    Ukraine's President Fires Security Chief, Prosecutor General

    EUROPE Ukraine's President Fires Security Chief, Prosecutor General Reuters ian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy issued executive orders late on Sunday sacking the head of Ukraine's powerful domestic security agency, the SBU, and the prosecutor general. The orders dismissing SBU chief Ivan Bakanov, a childhood friend of Zelenskyy, and Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova, who led the effort to prosecute Russian war crimes in Ukraine, were published on the president's official website. In a separate Telegram post, Zelenskyy said he had fired the top officials because many cases had come to light of members of their agencies collaborating with Russia. He said 651 treason and collaboration cases had been opened against prosecutorial and law enforcement officials, and that more than 60 officials from Bakanov and Venediktova's agencies were now working against Ukraine in Russian-occupied territories. "Such an array of crimes against the foundations of the national security of the state ... pose very serious questions to the relevant leaders," Zelenskyy said. "Each of these questions will receive a proper answer," he said. Zelenskyy appointed Oleksiy Symonenko as the new prosecutor general in a separate executive order that was also published on the president's site. ukraine president fires generals - Search (bing.com)
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  35. Kevin H

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    Notice that the anti-trinity views are not listed. While most of our pioneers were anti-trinitarian, they did not make it a test of fellowship. General Conference president Spicer (came into office in 1922) his parents came into the church as trinitarians. Now, if Mrs. White did not accept the trinity, why did she tell Andresen that she did? Why did our more conservative members hand out flyers accusing her of apostacy, and one of the reasons they mentioned it was that she became a trinitarian? Why did she copy to describe the nature of Jesus quotes from someone who did the best descriptions of the traditional understanding of the trinity? Why did the trinity become the heart of her Great Controversy philosophy?
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  36. GHansen

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    Gustave, I'm still not seeing any statements against the trinity from EGW. She endorsed a lot of things, e.g., the Augsburg Confession, Luther's justification theology, the teachings of Jones and Waggoner. She didn't believe everything any of them taught, not at all. For you to reason that because EGW endorsed Smith's work on D and R, she endorsed his anti trinity statements demonstrates a very narrow view of her work on your part. She vilified his understanding of the place of the law in salvation, said he didn't know what he was talking about. She said different things about different people at different times under different circumstances. EGW played at politics at certain times in the interests of preserving the unity of the church. She was aware of a leading minister's adulterous affair but recommended he not be driven out of the ministry because it would have been morale busting for the church at large. For her to make a raid on Smith, her husband, other leading ministers over the trinity, simply might have been too devastating to the denomination as a whole I've asked for a very simple thing, i.e.., a statement/s that EGW herself wrote against the trinity. I haven't seen one yet. You are the anti-trinity scholar. If such statements exist, you must have seen them. If they don't, you really need to stop your anti-EGW campaign. What I'm hearing certainly sounds like ax grinding.
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  37. Gustave

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    To Chaplain / Pastor Matthews credit I no longer make the claim that SDA's are anti-Trinitarian. I now believe that there are indeed some SDA's who hold and promulgate the historic doctrine of the Trinity. I am fairly certain that while Ellen White started out as a Trinitarian she became a militant anti-Trinitarian and remained so until her death. Most of the research I've done is related to the Trinity issue. For some reason that's always been of interest to me.
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  38. Gregory Matthews

    Prayer & the Law

    The following link takes you to a thoughtful reflection on a recent Supreme Court decision. It is well worth consideration. https://atoday.org/praying-at-the-50-yard-line/ The following is just one of the issues that this decision raises: [How would they feel about Muslim teachers leading prayer to Allah in the classroom or at school-sponsored events? Or Hindu prayer? Or a Wiccan teacher leading prayer, or new age prayer with crystals and tarot readings? How about atheist/agnostic students who would be marginalized and singled out by such majority practice in the classroom? [/quote]
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  39. Gregory Matthews

    $1,500 Fine For Parking

    Thought for today; A couple living in San Francisco was fined $1,500 for parking their car in their own driveway. The fine was retracted when they submitted proof that in 1938 a horse and buggy had parked in that driveway. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/san-francisco-couple-allowed-to-use-driveway-after-being-fined-1-500/ar-AAZv4gB?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=4846f5ad7b634e63a30c7fb456f29d6e
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  40. GHansen

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    So what she wrote was misunderstood by others. Not unusual in her day or even now. "As I've already demonstrated here in the forum Ellen White believed that God (the Father only) had a body of FLESH, complete with all the organs, members and parts of a perfect man. This "pillar doctrine" was called "THE PERSONALITY OF GOD". This is what interests me, that EGW or early SDA believed that the Father had a body of flesh, complete with organs. I was unaware of the statement that included the personality of God with the pillars or landmarks. The statement you quoted was written in 1903, most likely referencing Kellogg's book, "Living Temple." The issue with "Living Temple" was pantheism. We are discussing 2 separate issues here, amalgamation and the personality of God. The amalgamation statements are a non issue for me. What others believed she said or meant only indicates that her editors might have done a better job. I'd have to read "Living Temple" get up to speed on the personality of God issue; however, the issue with that book was pantheism, not whether God had a human body. That's what interested me, EGW statements affirming that the Father had a human body of flesh with organs, etc.
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  41. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
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  42. Gregory Matthews

    Abortion Law

    I am almost speechless over the following litigation: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/her-ex-husband-is-suing-a-clinic-over-the-abortion-she-had-four-years-ago/ar-AAZCEcw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=ee62dc21f36b478fa12903cb2dcb12a9
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  43. Gregory Matthews

    The James Webb Space Telescope

    The first images from the James Webb space telescope have been released. See: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/first-image-from-james-webb-space-telescope-released/ar-AAZsFeq?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0dfa2463b7b24f9d927004b7592b93fa
    1 point
  44. Gregory Matthews

    What Is A Healthy Church?

    In 2001, a study was conducted by the North American Division in an attempt to determine what constitutes a healthy church. Some 300,000 plus members of some 50 denominations participated in the survey. Involved in this survey were 5,596 members of 94 SDA congregations. The results of that survey have been published in the following book which is available from Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Adventist-Congregations-Today-Evidence-Equipping/dp/0971026424 Oak and Acorn Publishing, which is owned by the Pacific Union Conference will soon release the book "Ministry to the Least of These." This book, I expect, will further develop Issues related to the above cited study. This coming book as well as the above one may be books that you will want to add to your library. NOTE: Some of the above information was obtained from a Leon Brown article, "Perception is Not Always Reality: Our Church as a Moral Beacon." which was published in the July issue of Pacific Union Recorder. This article is of great value and I hope to soon be able to cite it on the Internet for your reference.
    1 point
  45. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) Blessings flow Deuteronomy 28:11 And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
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  46. GHansen

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    I'm not at all left with the impression that a beast could impregnate a woman. Not sure who the "you" in your remark pertains to but certainly not me. What others understood EGW to be saying is irrelevant. What does matter is her intended meaning. Please note the following from Selected Messages book 1 "I know that many men take the testimonies the Lord has given, and apply them as they suppose they should be applied, picking out a sentence here and there, taking it from its proper connection, and applying it according to their idea. Thus poor souls become bewildered, when could they read in order all that has been given, they would see the true application, and would not become confused. Much that purports to be a message from Sister White, serves the purpose of misrepresenting Sister White, making her testify in favor of things that are not in accordance with her mind or judgment." She is describing almost exactly what has been done with the amalgamation statements. Spirit of Prophecy vol. 1 chapter 7 provides context indicating that the amalgamation to which she referred was the mingling of the children of Seth and the children of Cain. If you don't see that, there is nothing more that I can say. Interestingly, I heard the word "amalgamation" used in the TV series Downton Abbey. They were discussing the merger of 2 hospitals and referred to it as an "amalgamation." This fictional dialogue took place in the 1920s. As for your claims about the importance of your version of the "personality of God" doctrine in early Adventism, the denomination didn't exist until 1863. I've read dozens of her books, volumes of her periodical articles and manuscript releases. I don't recall anything close to your claims about the importance of that teaching. EGW defined the "old landmarks" as follows: 9 lists a.) the 3 angels’ messages of Revelation 13; b.) the commandments of God; c.) the faith of Jesus; d.) the temple of God in heaven; e.) the Sabbath; f.) the nonimmortality of the wicked. “I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks. Ellen G. White, Manuscript 13, 1889
    1 point
  47. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    (N) No lack 🦁 Psalm 34:10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing.
    1 point
  48. GHansen

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    Referencing circumstances prior to the flood. Nobody knows what went on in those days.
    1 point
  49. Gregory Matthews

    Spirit of Prophecy Writings Coordinator

    The official EGW Estate response contains the following statement which is found in the larger document cited below: “The only passages in Mrs. White’s writings that are of interest in this connection are found in Spiritual Gifts, volume 3, already mentioned and republished in Spirit of Prophecy, volume 1, in 1870. The first, in chapter 6, “Crime Before the Flood,” is this: But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere. God purposed to destroy by a flood that powerful, long-lived race that had corrupted their ways before him.—Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 64.” https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/752.8#8 Also see: https://whiteestate.org/about/issues1/unusual/scientific-issues/amalgamation-man-and-beasts/ http://www.adventisthistory.org/2014/03/25/amalgamation-ellen-whites-most-controversial-statement/
    1 point
  50. Tom Durst

    Paul Anderson on Military Service

    In 1957 when I was 20 I decided that I could not take the military oath that is required and enter the military in any capacity including that of a medic. I applied for the I-0 on my own with no one to help me. I still have a carbon copy of my paperwork that I filed with Selective Service. The FBI checked all of my references and I got the I-0. At that time I-0 folks would serve in a government approved civilian capacity for two years and had to be 50 or more miles from. I had joined an Adventist offshoot group called the Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement during my decision making process. I was called to the ministry in that denomination and was given a ministerial exemption of IV-D by the SS. I have never regretted my not participating in the military. For me to take a military oath that I would obey the commander-in-chief (USA President) or superior officers in all of their commands would be to sell my soul. I realize that my stand about this is contrary to most of Christianity but I must follow my conscience whether others understand it or not. Most men that I know have all kinds of military service benefits, discounts, etc. but God has provided for all of my needs in many way, often totally unexpected. Our country extends much honor and benefits for those who serve in the military and I certainly have no issue with that. I respect other people's beliefs with no judgment whatsoever.
    1 point
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