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  1. 4 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Satan, you are so ...

    yeppers... he lets *humans* do the most of his dirty work.
  2. 3 points
    The Wanderer

    Satan, you are so ...

    sometimes, its not "power" that he uses, but rather, deception: seems to be his MO
  3. 3 points
    B/W Photodude

    The Days of Wine And Roses

    By "Unfiltered", I mean they are untouched by anyone else messing with them such as comments out of context, those who are now engaged in rewriting to change genders to fit a new social agenda, books put out with themes thought up by the compiler and filled with out of context quotes, and other such misuse of the SOP. Speaking of Mrs. White's writings being superior to the Bible, here is a scenario which represents that well. It is a true occurrence and the names are "changed" to protect the guilty! Commenter: (A Bible text was quoted in a discussion and the text not really important) Respondent: "Yes, but what does Mrs. White say?" Knowing the "respondents" usual take on religious topics, further discussion became useless.
  4. 3 points
    Kevin H

    The Days of Wine And Roses

    I received a message asking about the "ill fated Testimony # 11" and was asked to reply in a message to not change the direction of the thread. I then came back here and was reading the other posts and I feel that the answer would fit in with this thread. Once in Battle Creek, when James was on a long trip, doctors came to Mrs. White and asked about the things she saw in vision about our health work. Among the things she discussed was seeing a good sized building with towers. This lead to a huge fundraising campaign to raise money for this building. The testimony was published and spread around and work on the building was started. Loans were taken out to help as the pledges came in. When James came home and found out what was happening he realized that the church was not yet financially able to finance this building. He ordered the building to be torn down and the materials sold off even at a loss, and to repay the loans. Members were shocked in how can James rebel against a message from God. Another issue was the reform dress. Mrs. White described what she saw. Members began latching on each and every detail, even measuring distance of the skirt from the ground, and Mrs. White was bombarded with letters asking for more detail and specifics trying to make the reform dress exactly perfect as the divine inspired message was commanding God's people to do.
  5. 3 points
    B/W Photodude

    Should Footwashing Be Practiced As a Means of Grace Within the Church?

    Jesus set us the example and told us to do as He had done to us. I saw that the example of Christ should be as exactly followed as possible. (Material related to inter-gender foot washing deleted) EGW Letters & Manuscripts: vol. 1, p396 I would disagree that there is no symbolic meaning to the foot washing. One of my favorite preachers to listen to described the Lord's supper and the events leading up to it. He noted that the "towel" Jesus girded himself with to wipe the feet of the disciples was actually a part of his garment he was wearing. So, as he washed their feet, he was actually wiping the dirt off of their feet onto himself. Symbolically, he compared this to Jesus actually taking our sins and our dirt onto himself. Part of the shame that he despised. We are fortunate that most people come to church with relatively clean feet. I have never gone to foot washing and found someone's feet to be dirty. But consider Jesus washing the feet of the disciples. They are said to have worn sandal like footwear and walked long distances during the day over dusty roads. Imagine the dirt on their feet! I guess one of the reasons it does not bother me is that after a long career of caring for people, some of whom were scraped up off the street in skid row and brought to the hospital. Sometimes, when cleaning them up, I would remove their socks, which would literally fall apart as they came off, and then wash their feet which probably had not seen light or open air for weeks! I suspicion that most people do not really keep a running memory of what the feet of their foot washing ceremony partner looked like. I see no reason really for being ashamed of what your feet look like. Everyone has seen someone with some condition they were glad they did not have and everyone knows that it happens. I imagine if there was a current medical situation that only doing one foot or even stepping out that one day would be acceptable. But I would also say to not worry what others will think of your feet. I had an aunt once who would never go to communion because she thought her feet were too big! Personally, I would not do foot washing with my wife. Somehow it seems like cheating!
  6. 3 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Should Footwashing Be Practiced As a Means of Grace Within the Church?

    I've always despised footwashing.... I'll wash anyone else's feet, but I'll be darned if I'm going to get my feet damp, then put shoes back on. And besides that, I'll wager very few people wash their hands afterwards, and then go in for communion and grub all over the crackers.
  7. 3 points
    phkrause

    Does a Lack of Men Lead to Liberalism

    I don't see this as being gross generalizations at all. For me personally there are no true conservatives or liberals! Each one of us has both, we are liberal in somethings and conservative in other things.
  8. 3 points
    debbym

    Does a Lack of Men Lead to Liberalism

    i would say no. we had a very strong paternal presence in our family and all of us seven kids tend to be liberal, yet spiritual and conservative in ways also. Authoritarianism is connected to some conservatives, but there are conservatives who do not hold to this style. liberal and conservative are very subjective terms in many ways... so many degrees and styles of each. i know liberals who see conservatives as being less educated and religious nuts... and preoccupied with various forms of human authority. Some conservatives see liberals as epicurean and indulgent and immoral and rationalizing whatever they want to do as being ok. i know these are gross generalizations but it is what came to mind when i read this topic.
  9. 3 points
    Kevin H

    The Days of Wine And Roses

    There is both a liberal extreme in the church and a conservative extreme in the church. Folcrum7 tends to be one of these two ditches. Too often Spectrum publishes articles from the other extreme. I am equally scared of both camps, yet I also believe that both camps point out facts that it is important for us not to forget. These two extremes, on both points, rather than being outright wrong (although they are on a couple points here and there) they tend to do more of a dividing of truth between them, with the truth being a straight and narrow path between the two. My biggest concern about Folcrum 7 is that they tend to want to pretend that these two ditches are the only two options. Since one is critical of Mrs. White and questions 1844 and that God can really change our lives, since they accept Mrs. White (when filtered through people like Elders Washburn and Wilkinson) and accept 1844 and the gospel changing our lives, they picture themselves as the only true group. They use scare tactics (such as in the book "With Cloak and Dagger" to try to scare people into their group. I've had "historical Adventists" tell me that I do not exist. That there are only two choices; to either believe exactly like them, or to believe exactly like Des Ford. But there are different sub groups of Adventism that do not fit those two categories.
  10. 2 points
    james423

    Lesson 6 - The Sealed People of God

    Overall Question: What are the characteristics of the sealed people of God? Memory Verse: Revelation 7:14 Contemporary English Version “Sir,” I answered, “you must know.” Then he told me: “These are the ones who have gone through the great suffering. They have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb and have made them white. Sunday – Restraining the Winds Revelation 7:1-3 New Life Version After this I saw four angels. They were standing at the four corners of the earth. They were holding back the four winds of the earth so no wind would blow on the earth or the sea or on any tree. 2 I saw another angel coming from the east. He was carrying the mark of the living God. He called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to hurt the earth and sea. 3 The angel from the east said, “Do not hurt the earth or the sea or the trees until we have put the mark of God on the foreheads of the servants He owns.” Revelation 7:2 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY the present passage points to a sealing of God’s people that prepares them to stand through the fearful times of stress that will precede the second advent. As in ancient times a seal on an object testified to its ownership, so the seal of God upon His people proclaims that He has recognized them as His own. 2 Peter 3:9-14 New English Translation 9 The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some regard slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not wish for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief; when it comes, the heavens will disappear with a horrific noise, and the celestial bodies will melt away in a blaze, and the earth and every deed done on it will be laid bare. 11 Since all these things are to melt away in this manner, what sort of people must we be, conducting our lives in holiness and godliness, 12 while waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God? Because of this day, the heavens will be burned up and dissolve, and the celestial bodies will melt away in a blaze! 13 But, according to his promise, we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness truly resides.14 Therefore, dear friends, since you are waiting for these things, strive to be found at peace, without spot or blemish, when you come into his presence. Ephesians 4:30 Good News Translation And do not make God's Holy Spirit sad; for the Spirit is God's mark of ownership on you, a guarantee that the Day will come when God will set you free. Ephesians 4:30 COMMENTARY BY ALBERT BARNES Do not act towards the Holy Spirit in a manner which would produce pain in the bosom of a friend who loves you. There is a course of conduct which will drive that Spirit from the mind as if he were grieved and pained--as a course of ingratitude and sin would pain the heart of an earthly friend, and cause him to leave you." If asked what that conduct is, we may reply, open and gross sins…anger… licentious thoughts and desires…. ingratitude… neglect…resistance [doing the opposite of what the Spirit wants us to do}. Monday – The Sealed People of God Revelation 7:4-8 Common English Bible 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed from every tribe of the Israelites: 5 From the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed; from the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand; from the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand; 6 from the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand; from the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand; from the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand; 7 from the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand; from the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand; from the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand; 8 from the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand; from the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand; from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed. Revelation 7:4 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY The 144,000 are here presented as those who are “able to stand” through the terrible events portrayed in ch. 6:17. They have the “seal of the living God” (ch. 7:2) and are protected in the time of universal destruction, as were those who possessed the mark in Ezekiel’s vision (Eze. 9:6). They are approved of Heaven, for John later sees them with the Lamb on Mt. Zion (Rev. 14:1). They are declared to be without guile and without fault (Rev. 14:5). John hears them singing a song that “no man could learn” (Rev. 14:3). They are designated as “first-fruits unto God and to the Lamb” (Rev. 14:4). Tuesday – The Great Multitude Revelation 7:9-10 Holman Christian Standard Bible 9 After this I looked, and there was a vast multitude from every nation, tribe, people, and language, which no one could number, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were robed in white with palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice: Salvation belongs to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb! Revelation 7:9 COMMENTARY BY ALBERT BARNES the vision seems to be transferred from earth to heaven--for the multitudes which he saw appeared "before the throne," (Re 7:9) that is, before the throne of God in heaven. The design seems to be to carry the mind forward quite beyond the storms and tempests of earth--the scenes of woe and sorrow--the days of error, darkness, declension, and persecution into that period when the church should be triumphant in heaven. Instead, therefore, of leaving the impression that the hundred and forty-four thousand would be all that would be saved, the eye is directed to an innumerable host, gathered from all ages, all climes, and all people, triumphant in glory. The multitude that John thus saw was not, therefore, I apprehend, the same as the hundred and forty- four thousand, but a far greater number--the whole assembled host of the redeemed in heaven, gathered there as victors, with palm-branches, the symbols of triumph, in their hands. The object of the vision is to cheer those who are desponding in times of religious declension and in seasons of persecution, and when the number of true Christians seems to be small, with the assurance that an immense host shall be redeemed from our world, and be gathered triumphant before the throne. Deuteronomy 8:11-17 Easy-to-Read Version 11 “Be careful. Don’t forget the Lord your God! Be careful to obey the commands, laws, and rules that I give you today. 12 Then you will have plenty to eat, and you will build good houses and live in them. 13 Your cattle, sheep, and goats will grow large. You will get plenty of gold and silver. You will have plenty of everything. 14 When that happens, you must be careful not to become proud. You must not forget the Lord your God. You were slaves in Egypt, but he made you free and brought you out of that land. 15 He led you through that great and terrible desert where there were poisonous snakes and scorpions. The ground was dry, and there was no water anywhere. But he gave you water out of a solid rock. 16 In the desert he fed you manna—something your ancestors had never seen. He tested you to make you humble so that everything would go well for you in the end. 17 Don’t ever say to yourself, ‘I got all this wealth by my own power and ability.’ Wednesday – Those Who Follow the Lamb Revelation 14:1-5 New Century Version Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb standing on Mount Zion. With him were one hundred forty-four thousand people who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the noise of flooding water and like the sound of loud thunder. The sound I heard was like people playing harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the new song except the one hundred forty-four thousand who had been bought from the earth. 4 These are the ones who did not do sinful things with women, because they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb every place he goes. These one hundred forty-four thousand were bought from among the people of the earth as people to be offered to God and the Lamb. 5 They were not guilty of telling lies; they are without fault. Revelation 14:4 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY The saints are here called virgins because they have either kept themselves aloof from Babylon or no longer have dealings with her. They have refused any connection with Babylon and her daughters at the time when these have become the agents of Satan in his final effort to eradicate the saints. They were not defiled by association with this union of religious elements rallied by Satan, though they may formerly have belonged to one of the various bodies now amalgamated. Revelation 14:12 God’s Word Translation In this situation God’s holy people, who obey his commands and keep their faith in Jesus, need endurance. Revelation 17:5 New International Version The name written on her forehead was a mystery: Babylon the Great, the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth. Revelation 14:4 New International Reader’s Version They had not committed sexual sins with women. They had kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among human beings as a first offering to God and the Lamb. Thursday – Salvation to Our God and the Lamb Revelation 14:5 Modern English Version No lie was found in their mouths, for they are without fault before the throne of God. Revelation 14:5 COMMENTARY BY ALBERT BARNES Those living in the time of John were suffering persecution, and, in the previous chapters, he had described more fearful trials yet to come on the church. In these trials, therefore, present and prospective, there was a propriety in fixing the thoughts on the final triumph of the redeemed--that glorious state in heaven where all persecution shall cease, and where all the ransomed of the Lord shall stand before his throne. 2 Peter 3:14 New Living Translation And so, dear friends, while you are waiting for these things to happen, make every effort to be found living peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight. Jude 24-25 New Century Version 24 God is strong and can help you not to fall. He can bring you before his glory without any wrong in you and can give you great joy. 25 He is the only God, the One who saves us. To him be glory, greatness, power, and authority through Jesus Christ our Lord for all time past, now, and forever. Amen. Romans 3:19-24 Easy-to-Read Version 19 What the law says is for those who are under the law. It stops anyone from making excuses. And it brings the whole world under God’s judgment, 20 because no one can be made right with God by following the law. The law only shows us our sin. 21 But God has a way to make people right, and it has nothing to do with the law. He has now shown us that new way, which the law and the prophets told us about. 22 God makes people right through their faith in Jesus Christ. He does this for all who believe in Christ. Everyone is the same. 23 All have sinned and are not good enough to share God’s divine greatness. 24 They are made right with God by his grace. This is a free gift. They are made right with God by being made free from sin through Jesus Christ. Romans 3:22 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY righteousness is not received as a reward for our faith in Christ…When in love and gratitude the believer in Jesus commits himself without reservation to the mercy and will of God, the righteousness of justification is imputed to him. And as he continues daily in this experience of trust, surrender, and fellowship, his faith increases, enabling him to receive more and more of the imparted righteousness of sanctification.
  11. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    A Former Schoolmate Appeals to Dan Jackson

    I am not sure how you figured that one my friend?? NOT supporting DJ does not make it that we support "the ecclesiastical structure as set up by the church of Rom." In fact; Id say its the other way around and that Jackson is much closer to that landmark.
  12. 2 points
    stinsonmarri

    Is my take on God's Judgment Hour valid?

    I am so very sorry about the lost of your mother Henry. I lost my mother two years ago and I still feel a loss. YAHWEH can truly fix it. With love and prayers! Bless you, Henry! [NOTE: The quote above was stated by HCH. It was not made by The Wanderer--GM.]
  13. 2 points
    It is debatable whether a claim by a public school football coach that he is compelled by religious belief to pray at the 50-yard line following each game is a good vehicle for addressing either free exercise or workplace religious accommodation. However, it does appear that the four justices who signed onto Alito's response have concerns about the chilling effect of Hardison and Smith on the ability to even raise Title VII religious accommodation and Free Exercise Clause claims. With Patterson v. Walgreen Co., the Supreme Court has the opportunity to revisit religious accommodation claims under Title VII. The post Justices hint interest in revisiting Title VII religious accommodation while declining to hear football coach prayer case appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV - Celebrating Liberty of Conscience. View the full article
  14. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    Satan, you are so ...

    So, I had 30 mins+ today to read while waiting and brought along my current volume of Testimonies to read. Sat down and then had to check email, Facebook, and even of course Adventistan. Looked at the time and most of it was gone! Open to my current spot and found the chapter that I was supposed to be reading was entitled "The Power of Satan"! You are so busted Satan!
  15. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    Daniel 8 - 12 Reexamined

    "The final movements will be rapid ones," 9T, pg 11 And yes, THAT is Biblical
  16. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    SDA Healthcare

    https://spectrummagazine.org/interviews/2019/adventhealths-ceo-shares-his-vision I will suggest that there are a number of aspects of the above article that could stimulate discussion. The following quote is only one:
  17. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    Advent Movement

    I would also like to see background checks on the occupants of any houses I might visit! Seriously, in this #MeToo era, I would not go to anyones house I did not know without company. I considered some lines of work that would involve home visits, but no more. Bible studies might have to be done in public places. In my town, we have a fast food restaurant where the manager welcomes peoples to come in and study their Bibles even in groups. He says it lends a more positive atmosphere to their restaurant. So, one of the men that comes in there is a retired teacher of religion, computers, and math. He teaches Sunday school in the church where my mom graduated from cradle roll in 1927!
  18. 2 points
    james423

    Lesson 5 - The Seven Seals

    Overall Question: What do the seals individually and collectively tell us about God and this earth's history? Memory Text: Revelation 5:9-10 Common English Bible 9 They took up a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slain, and by your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation.10 You made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will rule on earth.” Sunday – The Opening of the First Seal First Seal – church in apostolic age (c. A.D. 31-100) Revelation 6:1-8 New Living Translation As I watched, the Lamb broke the first of the seven seals on the scroll. Then I heard one of the four living beings say with a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked up and saw a white horse standing there. Its rider carried a bow, and a crown was placed on his head. He rode out to win many battles and gain the victory.3 When the Lamb broke the second seal, I heard the second living being say, “Come!” 4 Then another horse appeared, a red one. Its rider was given a mighty sword and the authority to take peace from the earth. And there was war and slaughter everywhere. 5 When the Lamb broke the third seal, I heard the third living being say, “Come!” I looked up and saw a black horse, and its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice from among the four living beings say, “A loaf of wheat bread or three loaves of barley will cost a day’s pay. And don’t waste the olive oil and wine.” 7 When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the fourth living being say, “Come!” 8 I looked up and saw a horse whose color was pale green. Its rider was named Death, and his companion was the Grave. These two were given authority over one-fourth of the earth, to kill with the sword and famine and disease and wild animals. Revelation 6:1 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY Seventh-day Adventists have generally held that the first horse represents the church …in the apostolic age (c. A.D. 31–100), when its purity of faith (suggested by the color white) and its zeal led it forth to make the greatest spiritual conquests in Christian history. Leviticus 26:21-26 New Century Version 21 “‘If you still turn against me and refuse to obey me, I will beat you seven times harder. The more you sin, the more you will be punished. 22 I will send wild animals to attack you, and they will take your children away from you and destroy your cattle. They will make you so few in number the roads will be empty. 23 “‘If you don’t learn your lesson after all these things, and if you still turn against me, 24 I will also turn against you. I will punish you seven more times for your sins. 25 You broke my agreement, and I will punish you. I will bring armies against you, and if you go into your cities for safety, I will cause diseases to spread among you so that your enemy will defeat you. 26 There will be very little bread to eat; ten women will be able to cook all your bread in one oven. They will measure each piece of bread, and you will eat, but you will still be hungry. Matthew 24:1-14 New English Translation Now as Jesus was going out of the temple courts and walking away, his disciples came to show him the temple buildings. 2 And he said to them, “Do you see all these things? I tell you the truth, not one stone will be left on another. All will be torn down!” 3 As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, his disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4 Jesus answered them, “Watch out that no one misleads you. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will mislead many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. Make sure that you are not alarmed, for this must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 For nation will rise up in arms against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these things are the beginning of birth pains.9 “Then they will hand you over to be persecuted and will kill you. You will be hated by all the nations because of my name. 10 Then many will be led into sin, and they will betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will appear and deceive many, 12 and because lawlessness will increase so much, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the person who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole inhabited earth as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. Monday – The Second and Third Seals Second Seal – church under persecution (A.D. 100-313) Third Seal – church after government recognition (A.D. 313 – 538) Revelation 6:3-4 Easy-to-Read Version 3 The Lamb opened the second seal. Then I heard the second living being say, “Come!” 4 Then another horse came out, a red one. The rider on the horse was given power to take away peace from the earth so that people would kill each other. He was given a big sword. Revelation 6:4 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY The symbolism of the second horseman well portrays conditions under which the church found itself from about A.D. 100–313. The violent persecutions it suffered at the hands of the Roman Caesars are well characterized by a horseman who carries a “great sword” and has power “to take peace from the earth.” Revelation 6:5-6 King James Version “And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.” Revelation 6:6 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY As applied to the period of Christian history following the legalization of Christianity, about A.D. 313–538, the words of the unidentified speaker may be interpreted as indicating a general preoccupation with material things. Leviticus 26:26 English Standard Version When I break your supply of bread, ten women shall bake your bread in a single oven and shall dole out your bread again by weight, and you shall eat and not be satisfied. Ezekiel 4:16 Contemporary English Version Ezekiel, the people of Jerusalem will starve. They will have so little food and water that they will be afraid and hopeless. Tuesday – The Scene of the Fourth Seal Fourth Seal – Middle Ages to Reformation’s start (A.D. 538-1517) Revelation 6:7-8 God’s Word Translation 7 When the lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Go!” 8 I looked, and there was a pale horse, and its rider’s name was Death. Hell followed him. They were given power over one-fourth of the earth to kill people using wars, famines, plagues, and the wild animals on the earth. Revelation 6:8 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY The ravages of the sword, killing men and destroying crops, produce hunger; hunger, resulting in the breakdown of health, brings pestilence; and when pestilence has taken its toll, human society is so weakened that it cannot protect itself against the inroads of wild beasts. Revelation 6:6 New International Reader’s Version Next, I heard what sounded like a voice coming from among the four living creatures. It said, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s pay. And six pounds of barley for a day’s pay. And leave the olive oil and the wine alone!” 1 Samuel 16:13 Modern English Version Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brothers. And the Spirit of the Lord came on David from that day forward. So Samuel arose and went to Ramah. Acts 10:38 Holman Christian Standard Bible how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were under the tyranny of the Devil, because God was with Him. Mark 2:22 New Life Version And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the wine will burst the skins; and the wine is lost, also the skins. But one puts new wine into fresh wineskins. Wednesday – The Opening of the Fifth Seal Fifth Seal – Persecutions during Reformation (c. 1517 – 1755) Revelation 6:9-10 New Revised Standard Version 9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slaughtered for the word of God and for the testimony they had given; 10 they cried out with a loud voice, “Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long will it be before you judge and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth?” Revelation 6:9 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY It appears that the symbolization of the fifth seal was presented to encourage those who faced martyrdom and death, with the assurance that despite the seeming triumph of the enemy, vindication would ultimately come. Revelation 6:11 New International Version Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been. Deuteronomy 32:43 Good News Translation “Nations, you must praise the Lord's people—he punishes all who kill them. He takes revenge on his enemies and forgives the sins of his people.” Psalm 79:10 Contemporary English Version Why should nations ask us, “Where is your God?” Let us and the other nations see you take revenge for your servants who died a violent death. Thursday – The Opening of the Sixth Seal Sixth Seal – Physical signs of Christ’s Coming (1755-1780+) Revelation 6:12-14 Christian Standard Bible 12 Then I saw him open the sixth seal. A violent earthquake occurred; the sun turned black like sackcloth made of hair; the entire moon became like blood; 13 the stars of heaven fell to the earth as a fig tree drops its unripe figs when shaken by a high wind; 14 the sky was split apart like a scroll being rolled up; and every mountain and island was moved from its place. Revelation 6:12 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY The events of the sixth seal reveal the disjointing of the physical universe…. The darkening of the sun is frequently mentioned in OT prophecy in connection with the catastrophes that precede the day of the Lord. Matthew 24:29-30 New Century Version 29 “Soon after the trouble of those days, ‘the sun will grow dark, and the moon will not give its light. The stars will fall from the sky. And the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’ Isaiah 13:10; 34:4 30 “At that time, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the peoples of the world will cry. They will see the Son of Man coming on clouds in the sky with great power and glory. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 New Living Translation 7 And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power. 10 When he comes on that day, he will receive glory from his holy people—praise from all who believe. And this includes you, for you believed what we told you about him. Malachi 3:2 New Living Translation But who will be able to endure it when he comes? Who will be able to stand and face him when he appears? For he will be like a blazing fire that refines metal, or like a strong soap that bleaches clothes.
  19. 2 points
    Kevin H

    The Days of Wine And Roses

    Careful with that statement or you would end up becoming one of Fulcrum7/Historic Adventist's villains yourself.
  20. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    The Days of Wine And Roses

    I kind of prefer Mrs. White unfiltered! That includes compilations of her works by others. True, she may have written the comments, but it is sometimes difficult to tell the context. It is quite easy to use a sentence out of context even from Scripture. And of course, some people filter the Bible thru Mrs. White! And how little people understand the "does and don'ts"! Checklists and rules can be good for some kinds of tasks, but I suspicion not for heaven. But that is a whole other ball of wax.
  21. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    Should Footwashing Be Practiced As a Means of Grace Within the Church?

    well; now whose nylons will I use for this kind of photography? lol I didnt half-realize what I was getting into when I started this topic! THAT much I do know! re your comments above: whenever there are only "a handful of notes" there is always a good reason for it - be it EGW writings, or scripture. I started this topic because I have been wondering if we have made "the lord's supper" something scripture never intended? I will definitely experiment re the photography.
  22. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Should Footwashing Be Practiced As a Means of Grace Within the Church?

    Yes, there is stuff you do not know. It is evident that you have never had your feet washed while you were wearing nylons.
  23. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    Doug Batchelor and IQ

    Having taken a statistics class at one point (a requirement for grad school), it was kind of interesting to a point. How many weeks can you sit thru a class on coin tosses, etc. But the bell curve stuff was quite interesting. And yes, the bell curve is usually so uniform that you can even buy little "stencils" to draw perfect bell curves into your home work. I even kept my textbook from the class. A few years ago, when Apple was beginning to convert over to the OsX platform, "Classic" mac software suddenly was getting dumped onto eBay at fantastic savings. I bought a statistics program for the computer that went for nearly a thousand dollars for only $25! I still have a classic bootable Mac and one of these days I will fire up the software and play with it. However, I need some numbers to crunch thru it. Most universities and research medical centers will keep on staff statisticians to assist with research projects. To do a thorough statistics prep for a paper is a bit much for many people. I am sure that throughout private industry and government that there are many more such positions. However, statistician is not usually one you are going to see on a job board. At least the job boards at the supermarket that I have seen. Somewhere between the guy who will mow your lawn and the babysitting jobs! The Bureau of Labor Statistics projects 33.8 percent employment growth for statisticians between 2016 and 2026. In that period, an estimated 12,600 jobs should open up. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/statistician Now, those job descriptors and benefits are something I could get into!
  24. 2 points
    james423

    Lesson 4 - Worthy Is the Lamb

    Overall Question - Why is Christ so central to the Book of Revelation as shown in Chapters 4-5? Memory Text: Revelation 5:5 God’s Word Translation Then one of the leaders said to me, “Stop crying! The Lion from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has won the victory. He can open the scroll and the seven seals on it. Sunday – In the Heavenly Throne Room Revelation 4:1-8 Contemporary English Version After this, I looked and saw a door that opened into heaven. Then the voice that had spoken to me at first and that sounded like a trumpet said, “Come up here! I will show you what must happen next.” 2 Right then the Spirit took control of me, and there in heaven I saw a throne and someone sitting on it. 3 The one who was sitting there sparkled like precious stones of jasper [green or clear] and carnelian. [usually deep-red or reddish-white] A rainbow that looked like an emerald [a precious stone, usually green] surrounded the throne. 4 Twenty-four other thrones were in a circle around that throne. And on each of these thrones there was an elder dressed in white clothes and wearing a gold crown. 5 Flashes of lightning and roars of thunder came out from the throne in the center of the circle. Seven torches, which are the seven spirits of God, were burning in front of the throne. 6 Also in front of the throne was something that looked like a glass sea, clear as crystal. Around the throne in the center were four living creatures covered front and back with eyes. 7 The first creature was like a lion, the second one was like a bull, the third one had the face of a human, and the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings, and their bodies were covered with eyes. Day and night they never stopped singing, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord, the all-powerful God, who was and is and is coming!” Ezekiel 1:26-28 English Standard Version 26 And above the expanse over their heads there was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like sapphire; and seated above the likeness of a throne was a likeness with a human appearance. 27 And upward from what had the appearance of his waist I saw as it were gleaming metal, like the appearance of fire enclosed all around. And downward from what had the appearance of his waist I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and there was brightness around him. 28 Like the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud on the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness all around. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell on my face, and I heard the voice of one speaking. Revelation 5:11-14 Easy-to-Read Version 11 Then I looked, and I heard the voices of many angels. The angels were around the throne, the four living beings, and the elders. There were thousands and thousands of angels—10,000 times 10,000. 12 The angels said in a loud voice, “All power, wealth, wisdom, and strength belong to the Lamb who was killed. He is worthy to receive honor, glory, and praise!” 13 Then I heard every created being that is in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, everything in all these places, saying, All praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever to the one who sits on the throne and to the Lamb!” 14 The four living beings said, “Amen!” And the elders bowed down and worshiped. Revelation 4:8-11 New Century Version 8 Each of these four living creatures had six wings and was covered all over with eyes, inside and out. Day and night they never stop saying: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty. He was, he is, and he is coming.” 9 These living creatures give glory, honor, and thanks to the One who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever. 10 Then the twenty-four elders bow down before the One who sits on the throne, and they worship him who lives forever and ever. They put their crowns down before the throne and say: 11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, because you made all things. Everything existed and was made, because you wanted it.” Revelation 5:9-14 New International Reader’s Version 9 Here is the new song they sang. “You are worthy to take the scroll and break open its seals. You are worthy because you were put to death. With your blood you bought people for God. They come from every tribe, people and nation, no matter what language they speak. 10 You have made them members of a royal family. You have made them priests to serve our God. They will rule on the earth.” 11 Then I looked and heard the voice of millions and millions of angels. They surrounded the throne. They surrounded the living creatures and the elders. 12 In a loud voice they were saying, “The Lamb, who was put to death, is worthy! He is worthy to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength! He is worthy to receive honor and glory and praise!” 13 All creatures in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea were speaking. The whole creation was speaking. I heard all of them say, “Praise and honor belong to the one who sits on the throne and to the Lamb! Glory and power belong to God for ever and ever!” 14 The four living creatures said, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped. Monday – The Heavenly Assembly in the Throne Room Revelation 4:6-8 New English Translation 6 and in front of the throne was something like a sea of glass, like crystal. In the middle of the throne and around the throne were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second creature like an ox, the third creature had a face like a man’s, and the fourth creature looked like an eagle flying. 8 Each one of the four living creatures had six wings and was full of eyes all around and inside. They never rest day or night, saying: “Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God, the All-Powerful, Who was and who is, and who is still to come!” Ezekiel 1:5-14 New Living Translation 5 From the center of the cloud came four living beings that looked human, 6 except that each had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight, and their feet had hooves like those of a calf and shone like burnished bronze. 8 Under each of their four wings I could see human hands. So each of the four beings had four faces and four wings. 9 The wings of each living being touched the wings of the beings beside it. Each one moved straight forward in any direction without turning around. 10 Each had a human face in the front, the face of a lion on the right side, the face of an ox on the left side, and the face of an eagle at the back. 11 Each had two pairs of outstretched wings—one pair stretched out to touch the wings of the living beings on either side of it, and the other pair covered its body. 12 They went in whatever direction the spirit chose, and they moved straight forward in any direction without turning around. 13 The living beings looked like bright coals of fire or brilliant torches, and lightning seemed to flash back and forth among them. 14 And the living beings darted to and fro like flashes of lightning. Ezekiel 10:20-22 New International Version 20 These were the living creatures I had seen beneath the God of Israel by the Kebar River, and I realized that they were cherubim. 21 Each had four faces and four wings, and under their wings was what looked like human hands. 22 Their faces had the same appearance as those I had seen by the Kebar River. Each one went straight ahead. Isaiah 6:2-3 Common English Bible 2 Winged creatures were stationed around him. Each had six wings: with two they veiled their faces, with two their feet, and with two they flew about. 3 They shouted to each other, saying: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of heavenly forces! All the earth is filled with God’s glory!” Tuesday – The Sealed Scroll Revelation 5:1-4 Christian Standard Bible Then I saw in the right hand of the one seated on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides, sealed with seven seals. 2 I also saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or even to look in it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or even to look in it. Isaiah 29:11-12 English Standard Version 11 And the vision of all this has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed. When men give it to one who can read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot, for it is sealed.” 12 And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.” Revelation 5:5-7 Holman Christian Standard Bible 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Stop crying. Look! The Lion from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has been victorious so that He may open the scroll and its seven seals.” 6 Then I saw One like a slaughtered lamb standing between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent into all the earth. 7 He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne. Wednesday – Worthy Is the Lamb Revelation 5:8-14 New Century Version 8 When he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders bowed down before the Lamb. Each one of them had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s holy people. 9 And they all sang a new song to the Lamb: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were killed, and with the blood of your death you bought people for God from every tribe, language, people, and nation. 10 You made them to be a kingdom of priests for our God, and they will rule on the earth.” 11 Then I looked, and I heard the voices of many angels around the throne, and the four living creatures, and the elders. There were thousands and thousands of angels, 12 saying in a loud voice: “The Lamb who was killed is worthy to receive power, wealth, wisdom, and strength, honor, glory, and praise!” 13 Then I heard all creatures in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea saying: “To the One who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders bowed down and worshiped. Ephesians 1:20-23 Good News Translation 20 which he used when he raised Christ from death and seated him at his right side in the heavenly world. 21 Christ rules there above all heavenly rulers, authorities, powers, and lords; he has a title superior to all titles of authority in this world and in the next. 22 God put all things under Christ's feet and gave him to the church as supreme Lord over all things. 23 The church is Christ's body, the completion of him who himself completes all things everywhere. Hebrews 10:12 New Life Version But Christ gave Himself once for sins and that is good forever. After that He sat down at the right side of God. Thursday – The Significance of Pentecost Acts 2:32-36 Common English Bible 32 This Jesus, God raised up. We are all witnesses to that fact. 33 He was exalted to God’s right side and received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit. He poured out this Spirit, and you are seeing and hearing the results of his having done so. 34 David didn’t ascend into heaven. Yet he says, The Lord said to my Lord, ‘Sit at my right side, 35 until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.’ 36 “Therefore, let all Israel know beyond question that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” John 7:39 New Century Version Jesus was talking about the Holy Spirit. The Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus had not yet been raised to glory. But later, those who believed in Jesus would receive the Spirit. Hebrews 4:16 Modern English Version Let us then come with confidence to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Hebrews 8:1 Contemporary English Version What I mean is that we have a high priest who sits at the right side of God’s great throne in heaven.
  25. 2 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Doug Batchelor and IQ

    he's using data from an old 2005 study by Irwing and Lynn.... But aside from that, what is notably absent from from Batchelor's statement, is the study's difference in standard deviation for men vs women. Males' scores were spread out over the curve, whereas females tended to cluster around the mean — meaning males may have more "geniuses," but they also have more of significantly lower intelligence than women.
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