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  1. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Under Law

    I believe the final Battle of Gog/Magog will take place during the 8th millennium, after Satan is loosed to deceive the nations once again. In the Ezekiel's account of that battle, there will be a cleanup that takes 7 months. (Ezekiel 39:11-16) It is during that time period that the saints/saved will go forth from Jerusalem, and look upon the bodies and bones of the dead from that battle. Isaiah 66:24 “‘And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.’” Jesus quoted from this passage. See Mark 9:44, 46 & 48. Ezekiel 39:8-10 “‘Yes, this is coming, and it will be done,’ says Adonai ELOHIM; ‘this is the day about which I have spoken. Those living in Isra'el's cities will go out and set fire to the weapons, to use as fuel-the shields, breastplates, bows, arrows, clubs and spears; they will use them for fire seven years; so that they will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut down any from the forests; because they will use the weapons for fire. Thus they will plunder those who plundered them and rob those who robbed them,’ says Adonai ELOHIM.” I also believe there will take place (before Christ's return) a terrible battle in the Middle East that many will call Gog/Magog. That battle will be Satan's effort to deceive the nations into believing that His appearance (soon after that battle) is Christ returned. Here's a link to my study on the topic: https://www.prophecyviewpoint.com/htdocs/26-Gog and Magog.htm No - the destruction of Gog/Magog is not the same as the final "Lake of Fire" "second death". That comes later. You didn't think I would be without an answer - did you?
  2. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Under Law

    To say that one of God's laws is not "binding" - is too vague. By "not binding", do you mean unnecessary, not good, not really one of God's commandments, ..... I think you mean necessary for eternal life - salvational. Something is salvational, only if one knows and understands that it is the will of God. "All have sinned" - knowingly or not. The sins of the ignorant are not counted against them. "If you were blind, you would have no sin." One may live an entire lifetime in ignorance - say of the Sabbath, that the LORD really has appointed the Sabbath His day, while believing entirely that Jesus the Son of God died for our sins. Willful ignorance - for convenience sake, or lust sake, etc, is another subject. Sins committed because of willful ignorance, are counted. "Because you say 'we see', your sin remains." Known sin must be confessed as sin against the LORD, (not just sin against others) and subsequent behavior must change. There is a grey area between those two. The young woman who is forced by circumstances into fornication - for instance. Or the starving man who steals a loaf of bread. The terrified man who lies to protect his family from Nazi thugs, or the one who bows to a ruler claiming to be divine, to avoid being sent to a prison camp. Then there are the folks who are trying to "be good", but fail of perfect obedience. People who want everything to be black or white, pure sin or pure righteousness, are not seeing things as they are. They want to share somehow in the judging, when that is better left to God. Because we do not live up to God's perfect ideal for us, does NOT MEAN we will not receive eternal life. It also does not mean that God's perfect will - His perfect law, is not important.
  3. 1 point
    JoeMo

    Under Law

    I don't know about that. People justify adultery, theft, and even murder all the time. Children disobey parents with impunity, people bear false witness against each other (especially in politics) with no qualms whatsoever. Honor killings and martyring Christians are "honorable" in some Middle Eastern countries, and offering an honored guest sex as a form of hospitality is totally acceptable in some cultures. The OT is rife with stories of sex and human sacrifice as sacraments and acts of "holiness" in some pagan cultures. One has to have a moral compass to determine right from wrong; and the 10 provide that moral compass.
  4. 1 point
    B/W Photodude

    Last Generation Theology

    Of the three authors mentioned in the OP, unfortunately, two of the three I do not consider to be reliable people to trust for writings to ponder due to their history of ideas promoted or unseemly behavior towards others. One I am unfamiliar with. I tend to take a very different view of Last Generation Theology (LGT) and highly value the concepts as brought out in Scripture and in Spirit of Prophecy (SOP). I have read thru the idea, read many texts that support it and find none that do not support it, and every component of LGT I find in SOP. In fact, it is one of the most promising things I read in the Bible and SOP. Unfortunately, you may have run into some combatants along the way who use the teaching to bludgeon others. Without needing to say it, it is just as wrong as some of the concepts on the other side. Those who would display such an attitude I would not be hesitant to say that likely they will not be part of that generation. The name LGT widely gets attributed to M. L. Andreasen, an SDA theologian who wore many hats during his life of service to the church and in the end was shamefully treated by those in leadership. I find it no wonder that his ideas are also not accepted by many. Other theologians have also written books that further discuss the Last Generation and which I also value. Scriptural support comes from many Bible verses. While I recognize than many believe we can sin right up to the moment that Jesus comes, I would submit that this is a very dangerous belief. Many claim you cannot ever be perfect, but then shall we call Jesus a liar when He said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matt 5:48 Paul wrote much about having the mind of Christ and one of the most promising texts he wrote was, "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you," Gal 4:19. John the Beloved wrote, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." 1John 3:12 Study carefully having the mind of Christ. Jesus while on earth was subject to the lusts of the flesh like all of us, but never sinned. I wondered about this and how He ever could have accomplished this. But then reading one day, He did not have a natural inclination to sin as we have. His natural response to any temptation was to do right. Was it necessary for Him to have a tendency to do wrong in order for His life to be a success? I see nothing that suggests that. It was Satan's charge in heaven that no one could keep the law (the law is another wide wide field of study!). He was speaking to a sinless universe. So, the life of Jesus, even in the flesh was lived perfectly even with sinful temptations, but no inclination to go there. But what has this to do with the last generation? I am sitting in my car at a red light one day contemplating end-times when it burst upon my thoughts that when Jesus stands up and declares the righteous would be righteous still, that there would be a transformation of mind to what Jesus lived when He walked the earth! You may be able to find this in SOP, but I haven't exactly yet, although I do not find anything to disagree with it. (You are not required to take my word on this!) But the idea of some regarding LGT is that finally God would have a people on this earth to demonstrate before the universe that the law of God could be kept perfectly. From end of probation to the Second Coming, the people of God will not be naturally inclined to violate God's law even when tempted by the flesh. And what many have concluded that this is also part of the function of the Holy Spirit during the outpouring of the latter rain is to work in the people of God to not sin. While we may not have a Mediator any longer, we are not left alone. Jesus said, "I will not leave you nor forsake you." Heb. 13:5 Everything that was available to Jesus while He walked this earth will be available to God's people during the time of trouble. There is much to learn about the end-time events that will only be learned during the experience. What is to me a mystery, and many ideas have been put forth, is the amount of time between the close of probation and the Second Coming. Some have even hypothesized up to 3 1/2 years. But I do believe that from the close of probation to the Second Coming, God's people will live sinlessly. I would be very afraid to adopt an attitude of tolerance for sin in that situation. God has said to be perfect and to not take Him at His word is to be in unbelief, a dangerous place to be.
  5. 1 point
    Gustave

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    I’m swamped currently with some other pressing matters - rest assured I’ll be back with an “I believe you are wrong” followed with some points that are salient to this issue.
  6. 1 point
    phkrause

    Trivia

    5 Things to Know About The Lincoln-Douglas Debates On August 21, 1858, the Lincoln-Douglas debates began in the state of Illinois, where the two Senate candidates would meet a total of seven times to speak to the voters. To mark this landmark event in U.S. political history, here are 5 things you didn't know about the Lincoln-Douglas debates... They Were More Like Speeches Instead of Debates Although those watching the Lincoln-Douglas “debates” were allowed to ask questions after the initial statements made by the politicians, these meetings were far from what people would consider a debate. The two men agreed that one would speak for an hour, the second man would have 1.5 hours to rebut the statement, and then another half hour would be used by the first man to answer the rebuttal. No moderator asked questions, and no fast responses were expected as they are in political debates in modern times. Both Speakers Resorted to Insults and Racial Slurs Debates held in this period of history were founded on stump speeches, which often contained insults and jokes, and some of the things said by Lincoln and Douglas would be offensive to today’s television audiences. Stephen Douglas commonly used race-baiting in his speeches, used the N-word and referred to Lincoln’s party as “black Republicans.” Lincoln normally didn’t use such language but spoke the N-word twice during the men’s first debate in the original transcripts, which were removed later. Douglas Held the Upper Hand Going Into the Debates Stephen Douglas was a powerful senator, and Lincoln, who had been nominated for an Illinois seat in the senate in 1858, realized that it would be difficult to challenge him. Instead, Lincoln suggested the debates as a way of getting his message across. In addition, the powerful Senator Douglas traveled around Illinois in his own personal railroad car, while Lincoln rode with other passengers in the train, which might have made him more appealing to voters. The Debates Weren’t About the Presidential Election Many people believe the debates held between Lincoln and Douglas had to do with the presidential election. However, the election was for a seat in the U.S. Senate that Stephen Douglas already held. Lincoln’s stature among voters was elevated by the debates because they were widely reported nationwide by journalists. It is unknown whether Lincoln had considered a run for the presidency at this time, but he began thinking about it seriously in 1860 following his Cooper Union speech. Lincoln Was the Loser People often assume that Lincoln won the debates with Douglas, and this is one of the reasons he was elected president; however, this is not true. The big audiences listening to the Lincoln-Douglas debates weren’t even voting because the elections for U.S. Senators at that time were handled through the state legislatures. Voters at that time were choosing the candidates who would represent them in the Illinois statehouse, which in turn would select the Illinois representative for the U.S. Senate.
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