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  1. 2 points
    Gustave

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    No one would suggest Christ experienced the 2nd death as that is the term used for the ultimate and final status of the reprobate sinner, the Beast & False Prophet who's names are absent from the Book of Life. After the General Judgment when the lost are thrown into the lake of fire (no coming back from that) THAT's what's referred to as the 2nd death.
  2. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    Rachel: Yes, I have begun several discussions on the Trinity. I have done so because I believe it to be an important topic. I have not confined the present discussions on the Trinity to the reserved section of this forum, as was once done, because I do not believe that the present discussions need to be so confined. You, as well as the others who participate in this discussion are welcome to continue to do so.
  3. 2 points
    stinsonmarri

    New Jerusalem Population

    We should never speculate! The Bible does not make that statement and we shouldn't either! Happy Sabbath!
  4. 2 points
    james423

    Lesson 8 - Discernment – the Safeguard of Revival

    Overall Question - Why is discernment the safeguard of revival? Memory Text: Matthew 25:40 Easy-to-Read Version Then the king will answer, “The truth is, anything you did for any of my people here, you also did for me.” Sunday – Introducing the Sermon on the Mount Matthew 5:2-16 Contemporary English Version 2 and he taught them: 3 God blesses those people who depend only on him. They belong to the kingdom of heaven! 4 God blesses those people who grieve. They will find comfort! 5 God blesses those people who are humble. The earth will belong to them! 6 God blesses those people who want to obey him more than to eat or drink. They will be given what they want! 7 God blesses those people who are merciful. They will be treated with mercy! 8 God blesses those people whose hearts are pure. They will see him! 9 God blesses those people who make peace. They will be called his children! 10 God blesses those people who are treated badly for doing right. They belong to the kingdom of heaven. 11 God will bless you when people insult you, mistreat you, and tell all kinds of evil lies about you because of me. 12 Be happy and excited! You will have a great reward in heaven. People did these same things to the prophets who lived long ago. 13 You are like salt for everyone on earth. But if salt no longer tastes like salt, how can it make food salty? All it is good for is to be thrown out and walked on. 14 You are like light for the whole world. A city built on top of a hill cannot be hidden, 15 and no one would light a lamp and put it under a clay pot. A lamp is placed on a lampstand, where it can give light to everyone in the house. 16 Make your light shine, so that others will see the good that you do and will praise your Father in heaven. Monday – Overcoming Evil With Good Matthew 5:38-49 Common English Bible 38 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 39 But I say to you that you must not oppose those who want to hurt you. If people slap you on your right cheek, you must turn the left cheek to them as well. 40 When they wish to haul you to court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too. 41 When they force you to go one mile, go with them two. 42 Give to those who ask, and don’t refuse those who wish to borrow from you. 43 “You have heard that it was said, You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy. 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who harass you 45 so that you will be acting as children of your Father who is in heaven. He makes the sun rise on both the evil and the good and sends rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love only those who love you, what reward do you have? Don’t even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing? Don’t even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore, just as your heavenly Father is complete in showing love to everyone, so also you must be complete. Romans 12:20-21 New Century Version 20 But you should do this: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink. Doing this will be like pouring burning coals on his head.” [Proverbs 25:21–22] 21 Do not let evil defeat you, but defeat evil by doing good. Tuesday – The Good Samaritan Luke 10:25-27 Good News Translation 25 A teacher of the Law came up and tried to trap Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to receive eternal life?” 26 Jesus answered him, “What do the Scriptures say? How do you interpret them?” 27 The man answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind’; and ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’” Luke 10:30-37 New Living Translation 30 Jesus replied with a story: “A Jewish man was traveling from Jerusalem down to Jericho, and he was attacked by bandits. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him up, and left him half dead beside the road. 31 “By chance a priest came along. But when he saw the man lying there, he crossed to the other side of the road and passed him by. 32 A Temple assistant walked over and looked at him lying there, but he also passed by on the other side. 33 “Then a despised Samaritan came along, and when he saw the man, he felt compassion for him. 34 Going over to him, the Samaritan soothed his wounds with olive oil and wine and bandaged them. Then he put the man on his own donkey and took him to an inn, where he took care of him. 35 The next day he handed the innkeeper two silver coins, telling him, ‘Take care of this man. If his bill runs higher than this, I’ll pay you the next time I’m here.’ 36 “Now which of these three would you say was a neighbor to the man who was attacked by bandits?” Jesus asked. 37 The man replied, “The one who showed him mercy.” Then Jesus said, “Yes, now go and do the same.” Luke 10:30 COMMENTARY BY ADAM CLARKE This was the most public road in all Judea, as it was the grand thoroughfare between these two cities for the courses of priests, twelve thousand of whom are said to have resided at Jericho. Luke 10:33 COMMENTARY THE FOURFOLD GOSPEL A certain Samaritan. The hereditary enemy of the Jews; despised and hated by the latter. "The Jews and Samaritans have no dealings" (Joh 4:9). If any man had excuse for passing the wounded Jew by it was the Samaritan. But he, unlike the priest and Levite, had compassion. His compassion leads to action, to self-denial, and inconvenience. He dresses the man's wounds, sets him on his own beast, carries him to the inn, and when he left, left money for his care. Wednesday – The Rich Man and Lazarus Luke 16:19-31 New English Translation 19 “There was a rich man who dressed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 But at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus whose body was covered with sores, 21 who longed to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. In addition, the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “Now the poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And in hell, as he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far off with Lazarus at his side. 24 So he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in anguish in this fire.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things and Lazarus likewise bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in anguish. 26 Besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us, so that those who want to cross over from here to you cannot do so, and no one can cross from there to us.’ 27 So the rich man said, ‘Then I beg you, father—send Lazarus to my father’s house 28 (for I have five brothers) to warn them so that they don’t come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they must respond to them.’ 30 Then the rich man said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 He replied to him, ‘If they do not respond to Moses and the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16:19 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY It may then properly be asked, “Why would Jesus introduce into a parable figurative illustrations that do not accurately represent truth as clearly set forth elsewhere in the Scriptures, and particularly in His own literal statements?” The answer is that He was meeting people on their own ground. Many in the audience—without the least OT Scriptural reason for doing so—had come to believe in the doctrine of a conscious state of existence between death and the resurrection. This erroneous belief, which does not appear in the OT, pervades post-exilic Jewish literature in general, and like many other traditional beliefs, had become a part of Judaism by the time of Jesus. Luke 12:13-21 Modern English Version 13 Someone in the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” 14 Jesus said to him, “Man, who appointed Me a judge or an arbitrator between you?” 15 Then He said to them, “Take heed and beware of covetousness. For a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” 16 And He told a parable to them, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully. 17 He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have no room to store my crops?’ 18 “Then he said, ‘This I will do: I will pull down my barns and build greater ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. 19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years. Take rest. Eat, drink, and be merry.’ 20 “But God said to him, ‘You fool! This night your soul will be required of you. Then whose will those things be which you have provided?’ 21 “So is he who stores up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.” Luke 12:15 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY God calls upon all who would love and serve Him to view the material things of life in their true perspective, and to subordinate these to things of eternal. Contrary to the opinion held by most people, more “things” do not necessarily mean more happiness. Happiness depends, not on “things,” but on the state of one’s mind and heart. Thursday – “The Least of These” Matthew 25:31-46 God’s Word Translation 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 The people of every nation will be gathered in front of him. He will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right but the goats on his left. 34 “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, my Father has blessed you! Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me into your home. 36 I needed clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you took care of me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’ 37 “Then the people who have God’s approval will reply to him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you or see you thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you as a stranger and take you into our homes or see you in need of clothes and give you something to wear? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 “The king will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you did for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you did for me.’ 41 “Then the king will say to those on his left, ‘Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels! 42 I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me into your homes. I needed clothes, and you didn’t give me anything to wear. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t take care of me.’ 44 “They, too, will ask, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or as a stranger or in need of clothes or sick or in prison and didn’t help you?’ 45 “He will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you failed to do for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you failed to do for me.’ 46 “These people will go away into eternal punishment, but those with God’s approval will go into eternal life.” Matthew 25:41 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY The word aiōnios, translated “everlasting,” or “eternal,” once, “for ever,” means literally, “lasting for an age,” in the sense of being continuous and not subject to capricious change. The ancient Greek papyri contain numerous examples of Roman emperors being described as aiōnios. The reference is to the continuous nature of their tenure—they held office for life.….The duration signified by aiōnios must, in each case, be determined by the nature of the person or thing it describes. In the case of Tiberius Caesar, for instance, aiōnios describes a period of 23 years, that is, the time from his ascent to the throne until his death… In the NT aiōnios is used to describe both the fate of the wicked and the future state of the righteous. Following the principle stated above, that the durative quality of aiōnios is to be determined by the person or thing of which it is used, we find that the reward of the righteous is life to which there is no end; the reward of the wicked is death to which there is no end.
  5. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Who warned you to flee ...

    Amen! Well said! I myself have posted my opinions on plausible end-time scenarios; and hopefully I have made it clear that they are just my thoughts/opinions rather than a "thus sayeth the Lord". I really get frustrated when I see how one particular poster expresses things down to the smallest detail with great certainty, even though he has been consistently wrong on this forum as far as I remember. That being said, I do believe we are in the time of the end. I have no idea when it will happen, but most of us will likely be around when it does unless we die an untimely death. I agree. The gospels say the deceptions will be so believable as to deceive the very elect - if it were possible. With the prophesied apparent defeat of JudeoChristianity, I believe one of the main deceptions will be that the God of the Bible ain't as powerful and loving as the Bible says He is. Many people already believe that. The love of many [believers towards God - my insert] will wax cold.
  6. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    Who warned you to flee ...

    Another issue that concerns me regarding interpreting prophecy is time setting. While we have had warnings regarding setting times for the Second coming, I tend to believe that all prophecies with a time component have been fulfilled and there are none to be watched for in a timing sense. I found this section from Testimonies, p 307-308: Many who have called themselves Adventists have been time setters. Time after time has been set for Christ to come, but repeated failures have been the result. The definite time of our Lord's coming is declared to be beyond the ken of mortals. ... Because the times repeatedly set have passed, the world is in a more decided state of unbelief than before in regard to the near advent of Christ. They look upon the failures of the time setters with disgust; and because men have been so deceived, they turn from the truth substantiated by the word of God that the end of all things is at hand . Those who so presumptuously preach definite time, in so doing gratify the adversary of souls; for they are advancing infidelity rather than Christianity. They produce Scripture and by false interpretation show a chain of argument which apparently proves their position. But their failures show that they are false prophets, that they do not rightly interpret the language of inspiration. The word of God is truth and verity, but men have perverted its meaning. These errors have brought the truth of God for these last days into disrepute. ... Those who think they must preach definite time in order to make an impression upon the people do not work from the right standpoint. The feelings of the people may be stirred and their fears aroused, but they do not move from principle. An excitement is created; but when the time passes, as it has done repeatedly, those who moved out upon time fall back into coldness, darkness, and sin, and it is almost impossible to arouse their consciences without some great excitement. I would be careful of predicting a time for anything going into the future. Of course, I tend to see understanding prophecy more of a map to where we have been rather than where we are going.
  7. 1 point
    Rahab

    3 word devotional

    I come again 🌿 2 Corinthians 13:2 I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time; and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare:
  8. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Under Law

    I believe the final Battle of Gog/Magog will take place during the 8th millennium, after Satan is loosed to deceive the nations once again. In the Ezekiel's account of that battle, there will be a cleanup that takes 7 months. (Ezekiel 39:11-16) It is during that time period that the saints/saved will go forth from Jerusalem, and look upon the bodies and bones of the dead from that battle. Isaiah 66:24 “‘And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.’” Jesus quoted from this passage. See Mark 9:44, 46 & 48. Ezekiel 39:8-10 “‘Yes, this is coming, and it will be done,’ says Adonai ELOHIM; ‘this is the day about which I have spoken. Those living in Isra'el's cities will go out and set fire to the weapons, to use as fuel-the shields, breastplates, bows, arrows, clubs and spears; they will use them for fire seven years; so that they will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut down any from the forests; because they will use the weapons for fire. Thus they will plunder those who plundered them and rob those who robbed them,’ says Adonai ELOHIM.” I also believe there will take place (before Christ's return) a terrible battle in the Middle East that many will call Gog/Magog. That battle will be Satan's effort to deceive the nations into believing that His appearance (soon after that battle) is Christ returned. Here's a link to my study on the topic: https://www.prophecyviewpoint.com/htdocs/26-Gog and Magog.htm No - the destruction of Gog/Magog is not the same as the final "Lake of Fire" "second death". That comes later. You didn't think I would be without an answer - did you?
  9. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Under Law

    To say that one of God's laws is not "binding" - is too vague. By "not binding", do you mean unnecessary, not good, not really one of God's commandments, ..... I think you mean necessary for eternal life - salvational. Something is salvational, only if one knows and understands that it is the will of God. "All have sinned" - knowingly or not. The sins of the ignorant are not counted against them. "If you were blind, you would have no sin." One may live an entire lifetime in ignorance - say of the Sabbath, that the LORD really has appointed the Sabbath His day, while believing entirely that Jesus the Son of God died for our sins. Willful ignorance - for convenience sake, or lust sake, etc, is another subject. Sins committed because of willful ignorance, are counted. "Because you say 'we see', your sin remains." Known sin must be confessed as sin against the LORD, (not just sin against others) and subsequent behavior must change. There is a grey area between those two. The young woman who is forced by circumstances into fornication - for instance. Or the starving man who steals a loaf of bread. The terrified man who lies to protect his family from Nazi thugs, or the one who bows to a ruler claiming to be divine, to avoid being sent to a prison camp. Then there are the folks who are trying to "be good", but fail of perfect obedience. People who want everything to be black or white, pure sin or pure righteousness, are not seeing things as they are. They want to share somehow in the judging, when that is better left to God. Because we do not live up to God's perfect ideal for us, does NOT MEAN we will not receive eternal life. It also does not mean that God's perfect will - His perfect law, is not important.
  10. 1 point
    B/W Photodude

    Last Generation Theology

    Of the three authors mentioned in the OP, unfortunately, two of the three I do not consider to be reliable people to trust for writings to ponder due to their history of ideas promoted or unseemly behavior towards others. One I am unfamiliar with. I tend to take a very different view of Last Generation Theology (LGT) and highly value the concepts as brought out in Scripture and in Spirit of Prophecy (SOP). I have read thru the idea, read many texts that support it and find none that do not support it, and every component of LGT I find in SOP. In fact, it is one of the most promising things I read in the Bible and SOP. Unfortunately, you may have run into some combatants along the way who use the teaching to bludgeon others. Without needing to say it, it is just as wrong as some of the concepts on the other side. Those who would display such an attitude I would not be hesitant to say that likely they will not be part of that generation. The name LGT widely gets attributed to M. L. Andreasen, an SDA theologian who wore many hats during his life of service to the church and in the end was shamefully treated by those in leadership. I find it no wonder that his ideas are also not accepted by many. Other theologians have also written books that further discuss the Last Generation and which I also value. Scriptural support comes from many Bible verses. While I recognize than many believe we can sin right up to the moment that Jesus comes, I would submit that this is a very dangerous belief. Many claim you cannot ever be perfect, but then shall we call Jesus a liar when He said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matt 5:48 Paul wrote much about having the mind of Christ and one of the most promising texts he wrote was, "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you," Gal 4:19. John the Beloved wrote, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." 1John 3:12 Study carefully having the mind of Christ. Jesus while on earth was subject to the lusts of the flesh like all of us, but never sinned. I wondered about this and how He ever could have accomplished this. But then reading one day, He did not have a natural inclination to sin as we have. His natural response to any temptation was to do right. Was it necessary for Him to have a tendency to do wrong in order for His life to be a success? I see nothing that suggests that. It was Satan's charge in heaven that no one could keep the law (the law is another wide wide field of study!). He was speaking to a sinless universe. So, the life of Jesus, even in the flesh was lived perfectly even with sinful temptations, but no inclination to go there. But what has this to do with the last generation? I am sitting in my car at a red light one day contemplating end-times when it burst upon my thoughts that when Jesus stands up and declares the righteous would be righteous still, that there would be a transformation of mind to what Jesus lived when He walked the earth! You may be able to find this in SOP, but I haven't exactly yet, although I do not find anything to disagree with it. (You are not required to take my word on this!) But the idea of some regarding LGT is that finally God would have a people on this earth to demonstrate before the universe that the law of God could be kept perfectly. From end of probation to the Second Coming, the people of God will not be naturally inclined to violate God's law even when tempted by the flesh. And what many have concluded that this is also part of the function of the Holy Spirit during the outpouring of the latter rain is to work in the people of God to not sin. While we may not have a Mediator any longer, we are not left alone. Jesus said, "I will not leave you nor forsake you." Heb. 13:5 Everything that was available to Jesus while He walked this earth will be available to God's people during the time of trouble. There is much to learn about the end-time events that will only be learned during the experience. What is to me a mystery, and many ideas have been put forth, is the amount of time between the close of probation and the Second Coming. Some have even hypothesized up to 3 1/2 years. But I do believe that from the close of probation to the Second Coming, God's people will live sinlessly. I would be very afraid to adopt an attitude of tolerance for sin in that situation. God has said to be perfect and to not take Him at His word is to be in unbelief, a dangerous place to be.
  11. 1 point
    Gustave

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    I’m swamped currently with some other pressing matters - rest assured I’ll be back with an “I believe you are wrong” followed with some points that are salient to this issue.
  12. 1 point
    phkrause

    Trivia

    5 Things to Know About The Lincoln-Douglas Debates On August 21, 1858, the Lincoln-Douglas debates began in the state of Illinois, where the two Senate candidates would meet a total of seven times to speak to the voters. To mark this landmark event in U.S. political history, here are 5 things you didn't know about the Lincoln-Douglas debates... They Were More Like Speeches Instead of Debates Although those watching the Lincoln-Douglas “debates” were allowed to ask questions after the initial statements made by the politicians, these meetings were far from what people would consider a debate. The two men agreed that one would speak for an hour, the second man would have 1.5 hours to rebut the statement, and then another half hour would be used by the first man to answer the rebuttal. No moderator asked questions, and no fast responses were expected as they are in political debates in modern times. Both Speakers Resorted to Insults and Racial Slurs Debates held in this period of history were founded on stump speeches, which often contained insults and jokes, and some of the things said by Lincoln and Douglas would be offensive to today’s television audiences. Stephen Douglas commonly used race-baiting in his speeches, used the N-word and referred to Lincoln’s party as “black Republicans.” Lincoln normally didn’t use such language but spoke the N-word twice during the men’s first debate in the original transcripts, which were removed later. Douglas Held the Upper Hand Going Into the Debates Stephen Douglas was a powerful senator, and Lincoln, who had been nominated for an Illinois seat in the senate in 1858, realized that it would be difficult to challenge him. Instead, Lincoln suggested the debates as a way of getting his message across. In addition, the powerful Senator Douglas traveled around Illinois in his own personal railroad car, while Lincoln rode with other passengers in the train, which might have made him more appealing to voters. The Debates Weren’t About the Presidential Election Many people believe the debates held between Lincoln and Douglas had to do with the presidential election. However, the election was for a seat in the U.S. Senate that Stephen Douglas already held. Lincoln’s stature among voters was elevated by the debates because they were widely reported nationwide by journalists. It is unknown whether Lincoln had considered a run for the presidency at this time, but he began thinking about it seriously in 1860 following his Cooper Union speech. Lincoln Was the Loser People often assume that Lincoln won the debates with Douglas, and this is one of the reasons he was elected president; however, this is not true. The big audiences listening to the Lincoln-Douglas debates weren’t even voting because the elections for U.S. Senators at that time were handled through the state legislatures. Voters at that time were choosing the candidates who would represent them in the Illinois statehouse, which in turn would select the Illinois representative for the U.S. Senate.
  13. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Under Law

    What law does the Sabbath fall under? Is it prophetic law? Does it fall neatly under "the schoolmaster"? Or is it part of the moral law of God? SDAs put it squarely under the moral law. Evangelicals and Catholics put it under "the schoolmaster". I put it under both - prophetic and moral. I put it under "the everlasting covenant". That's the one that Adam broke in the first place. Isaiah 24:5 "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant."
  14. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Under Law

    When an Evangelical says "We are not under the law", what they mean is "every law or command in the OT is no longer binding". What they mean is, "the Sabbath of the 7th Day is no longer relevant or binding". When an Evangelical says, "We are not under the law", I will immediately ask, "not under what law"? Paul says we are to fulfill "the law of Christ" (Gal 6:2). Paul said that he served the law of God (with his mind) and delighted in the law of God. Paul says, "the carnal mind . . . is not subject to the law of God" (Rom 8:7). Guess I could ask them if they have "the carnal mind", since they regard themselves as "not subject to the law of God". lol
  15. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    I've never been one to say that a view I hold to is absolutely correct. I've always been a "weight of the evidence" believer/teacher. I also believe that very few beliefs are salvational - saved vs lost. It might be interesting to discuss what things are saved vs lost issues.
  16. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    I study for myself. I am not a member of any church. I may hold a single point in common with another person or even denomination, but that does not put me "into" that group or denomination. I agree with the SDAs on some things, the JW on a couple points, even the Baptists on some things. And don't start using the "cult" label. That is just a ball of mud that religious people throw at people they disagree with to label them, so other folks feel free to reject them. Any time someone starts using the "cult" word, I immediately know they cannot defend their viewpoint from Scripture, so they have to use "mud".
  17. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    John 14:18 does not have to be understood as meaning that the HS coming to them was actually Christ, as Rachel seems to think. Rather, it may be understood as telling them that while the HS would be with humanity in the long term future, this did not mean that Jesus Christ had abandoned them and would never return. It could be understood as saying that at a later time, Jesus Christ would return.. Some might say a literal return at the 2nd Advent. Some might say a spiritual return at Pentecost. While some might object to this, I will suggest that at the very least, the 2nd Advent can be considered correct. So, in actual fact, this passage may be understood as supporting the doctrine of the Trinity, as commonly understood.
  18. 1 point
    Rahab

    3 word devotional

    My heart trembleth 💓 Job 37:1 At this also my heart trembleth, and is moved out of his place. [at the mighty things God can do]
  19. 1 point
    JoeMo

    pillars of our faith as rap

    There's a great woman here; her name is Rahab; A sweet Christian woman; don't wear no hijab. Such a faithful member of this forum; When I look at the Leaderboard, she's in the quorum! Pretty sorry, huh? What do you expect from an old man?
  20. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    Jesus spoke of Himself in third person - as "Him" and "He" more than once. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-- 17 "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 "I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you." (NKJ) Why is it, people always leave off the last sentence? Why? Because the last sentence points to Christ as the One, who would come to be with them, and in them. The world "neither sees" . . "nor knows" this helper, but the disciples did see Him and did know Him, because He dwelt with them. Question: Who had dwelt with them for 3 years? Answer: Jesus. Who had the world not recognized (as Messiah) or known (as Son of God) ? Answer: Jesus. Who would be "in them"? Answer: Jesus. Colossians 1:27 "To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." Who else would be "in them"? Answer: God the Father. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." Hence our fellowship with with Father and Son. NOT - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. "and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ." (1Jo 1:3 KJV) Hence we "abide in the Son and in the Father" (1John 2:24). NOT - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
  21. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    In Matthew 28:20 Jesus says, "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." (NIV) "I am with you", not another different third being. The Emperor Constantine commissioned and paid for a copying and compilation of the Scriptures known today as the “New Testament”. The resulting Greek text is known as the “Byzantine”. New scholarly work by those familiar with the ancient manuscripts, has revealed no Greek manuscript (or fragment) older than the time of Constantine, which contains the text of Matthew 28:19. One Aramaic manuscript survives. In that manuscript, Matthew 28:19 reads, “baptizing them in my name.” In other words, Christ commanded the disciples to baptize in HIS name. And many other passages confirm the disciples did just that. Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.’” Acts 8:16 “For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Acts 19:5 “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Romans 6:3 “Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?” Galatians 3:27 “For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 “But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.” Eusebius of Caesarea wrote during the 4th century. He was a “friend” of Constantine. In his work “Ecclesiastical History, Book III, Cpt 5, Section 2", he quotes Matthew 28:19 as “make disciples of all the nations in my name”. Eusebius quotes the passage in the same way in “Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Cpt 16, Sect. 8". He quotes the passage in the same way some 18 times. Finally, near the end of his life, he quotes the passage just once, as “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”. He may have been influenced by his loyalty to the Emperor, or by fear of the Emperor. We just do not know. It is also possible, that someone altered that one quotation.
  22. 1 point
    phkrause

    Going Grey

    One day little Rivkah Stern was sitting and watching her mother do the dishes at the kitchen sink. She suddenly noticed that her mother has several strands of white hair sticking out. She looked at her mother and inquisitively asked, "Mommy, why are some of your hairs white?" Her mother replied, "Well, every time that you do something wrong and make me cry or unhappy, one of my hairs turns white." Little Rivkah thought about this revelation for a while and then said, "Mommy, what in the world did you do to Bubbie to make ALL of her hairs are white!?"
  23. 1 point
    phkrause

    Security Breach

    There was an unexpected knock at Rachel Rubin’s front door, and like she always did she first opened the peephole and asked, "Who's there?" "Amazon delivery, ma'am. I have a package that needs a signature." "Where's the package?" Rachel asked suspiciously. The deliveryman held it up. "Could I see some ID?" Rachel said, still not convinced. "Lady," he replied wearily, "if I wanted to break into your house, I'd probably just use these." And he pulled out the keys Rachel had left in the door.
  24. 1 point
    phkrause

    Rules of Parenting

    Rabbi Felder, trying to teach the children about the proper behavior in shul, was trying to elicit from the youngsters rules that their parents might give before taking them to a nice restaurant. "Don't play with your food," one second grader cited. "Don't be loud," said another, and so on. "And what rule do your parents give you before you go out to eat?" Rabbi Felder asked little Moishie Rothman. Without batting an eye, Moishie replied, "Order something cheap!"
  25. 1 point
    Rahab

    3 word devotional

    Faith fail not 💪 Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
  26. 1 point
    phkrause

    Trivia

    5 Things You Didn't Know about Old Ironsides_2 On August 19, 1812, Old Ironsides, the nickname for the USS Constitution, earned its name during the War of 1812. Here are 5 things you didn’t know about this famous warship now known as America’s Ship of State... It Is the Navy’s Oldest Warship The USS Constitution was the first of six frigates built for the U.S. Navy and armed with 44 guns. Captain Samuel Nicholson took her to the Caribbean on her first voyage to participate in a quasi-war with France, where the captain and crew captured the Niger, a French ship, off the coast of Charleston. During the next two years, the ship patrolled the West Indies. In 1801, she returned to her homeport of Boston. The Nickname Wasn’t Because the Ship Was Made of Iron “Old Ironsides” didn’t get its name because it was constructed of iron. It was during the War of 1812 that it received the name because it was so well-built with its triple layer of oak and dense pine that cannonballs shot at it bounced off. The battle in question occurred after the commander of the ship, Captain Isaac Hull, ordered an attack on a British frigate, the Guerriere, which sustained heavy damage. Paul Revere Contributed to the Construction of the Ship Paul Revere, the man famous for his midnight ride to warn the colonists that the British were coming, was an engraver and silversmith. He made the fastenings and copper bolts used in the Constitution. This helped make the ship faster and stronger than other comparable warships during this period. The Launch of the Ship Was Delayed for an Unusual Reason The ship was built in Boston, Massachusetts, at the Edmund Hartt shipyard and was originally scheduled for launch September 20, 1797. A crowd gathered to watch, but the frigate only went down the launching deck about 27 feet before getting stuck. It took a month for builders to reconstruct the ground ways to finally launch the Constitution on October 21 into Boston Harbor. Old Ironsides Never Lost a Battle The USS Constitution won 42 battles during her service with the U.S. Navy. During the War of 1812, she defeated five warships commanded by the British, consisting of the HMS Guerriere, Cyane, Java, Levant and Pictou, as well as a number of merchant ships. Following the war, she was sailed to the Mediterranean to capture slave ships off the African coast.
  27. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Under Law

    Under the law of sin's dominion, the "first covenant" was indeed "a ministry of death written on stones" (2Cor 3:7). Why? Answer: Because they could not obey it in their own strength. The dominion of sin was too strong over them. That description of "the Ten" did not mean they should be discarded. It just meant they were unattainable - without Christ within. Now - under the "new covenant" The Ten are a promise of what He will do - in us.
  28. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    2 Corinthians 5:21 "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." I've never understood what those words mean - "to be sin", as if "sin" is something one may literally become, rather than something one does. The text also says that righteousness is something we may "become". We do have the word "guilty", which is something one "is" or "is not". To "be" guilty, reminds me of "to be sin" - the words used in 2Cor 5:21. The Complete Jewish Bible puts it a different way, that I can wrap my head around a little better. 2 Corinthians 5:21 "God made this sinless man be a sin offering on our behalf, so that in union with him we might fully share in God's righteousness." (CJB) Reading the verse in this version, I can understand that Christ fully shared our sinfulness/filthyness, so that we could fully share His righteousness. His Father treated Him as a sinner - as guilty of sin. He separated Himself from His Son. We don't know (except from EGW) that this literally caused His death. He may simply have died in a state of separation from God. Though such an awareness would certainly have hastened His death. Cardiac rupture and pericardial effusion were actually common in victims of crucifixion. Here is a link to an article describing such. https://www.apu.edu/articles/15657/ There are several wicked persons mentioned in Scripture, who died separated from God - because of their own sins. Saul comes to mind, and Korah. SDA's believe those people will be resurrected to face judgment, and will then die the "second death" in the Lake of Fire. Why could not Jesus have died of crucifixion, while also in a condition of separation from God His Father? The Lake of Fire is obliteration. God erases His own memory of such, so they can never be resurrected again. I don't believe He did that with His "memory" of His own Son.
  29. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    Good point Joe. But didn't Satan hear Jesus say that He would be "risen" ? Satan had already seen several people risen from death. Why would he not believe Jesus, when He predicted His own resurrection?
  30. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    Active Shooter

    For what you should do if you find yourself in an active shooter situation, see: https://www.ready.gov/active-shooter
  31. 1 point
    B/W Photodude

    Who warned you to flee ...

    I have read thru much of a number of threads on endtime prophecies here at Adventistan and elsewhere and it never ceases to amaze me of some of what I read. It seems that people have literary shoehorns to squeeze events and people into prophecy which really does not belong. One of the wildest ones I have read is a recent attempt to put Monica Lewinsky into Bible prophecy! Who other than Jesus and Cyrus were prophesied in the Bible? At the First Advent of Jesus, the religious people were seriously studying their Scriptures to have an idea when the Messiah would come. And He was walking among them! They had little clue. I tend to believe there there will be errors of understanding which will be even more egregious before the Second Advent. One person I know frequently uses the illustration of the devil and he will say the devil will dance you all around the cross and you will never see Jesus. Given that probably few on this earth understand Bible prophecy as well as Satan, I suspect he will dance people all thru prophecy and you will will never see the meanings behind it. Like Paul said in Timothy, "Ever learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth." I see many trying to render an interpretation of prophecy and who also clearly exchange Bible doctrines for the teachings of men. This situation brings to mind John the Baptist when he said to the religious leaders of the day, "Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"
  32. 1 point
    Rahab

    3 word devotional

    Spirit of wisdom Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
  33. 1 point
    B/W Photodude

    Who warned you to flee ...

    Things may have been slow back in those days but not so slow that decades pass. More than ten years passed from organization until the first testimony of vol 4 was released. Date setting is still something that continues in some circles even today. Not sure when the last Adventist date setting occured, but it was important enough for EGW to write about it in the 1870s.
  34. 1 point
    phkrause

    New Jerusalem Population

    And lets not forget that right after the mention of the 144,000, John sees a multitude that can not be numbered! Happy Sabbath back at you marri!!
  35. 1 point
    phkrause

    Trivia

    5 Things You Probably Didn't Know About Billy the Kid_3 On August 17, 1877, the legendary Billy the Kid, whose real name was Henry McCarty, killed his first man, an Arizona blacksmith named Frank Cahill. Think you know Billy the Kid? Here are five of the most interesting facts about the young outlaw who died at age 21... The Kid’s First Theft Involved Clothing Billy the Kid may have had a reputation as a killer back in the Old West, but he first got into trouble in 1875 under his real name of Henry McCarty when he and another guy called “Sombrero Jack” stole some clothing from a laundry. Although he was arrested after being turned in to the sheriff by his landlord, he scrambled up a chimney to escape and began his short life of crime. The same year he killed an Arizona blacksmith in a saloon dispute and changed his name to William H. Bonney but soon picked up the nickname “Billy the Kid.” No, He Wasn’t Left-Handed For many years, people thought that Billy the Kid was left-handed because of a photograph that showed his gun holster strapped on his left side. However, because the photo was made around 1880, there was a technical error, and it was flipped when it was printed. Now it is thought that he was either right-handed or ambidextrous. His Reputation as a Gunslinger Developed During the Lincoln County War The Kid participated in the Lincoln County War in New Mexico in 1878 when he was hired by John Tunstall, a rancher, to provide protection for his property against two Irish tycoons that held a monopoly over cattle trading and dry goods in the area. After Tunstall was murdered on the orders of the local sheriff, the Kid and other ranch hands formed a group called “The Regulators,” who acted as vigilantes seeking revenge for the murder of their employer. Killing the sheriff led to a firefight in Lincoln that lasted for five days, where the Kid earned his reputation as a gunslinger. A Wanted Poster Was Never Issued for Billy the Kid Replicas of a “Wanted” poster for the capture of Billy the Kid are common but are all fakes. No wanted poster was ever issued for the Kid. However, the governor of the New Mexico Territory, Lew Wallace, did post an ad in the Las Vegas Gazette offering $500 reward for anyone who could capture William Bonny, and the name was even misspelled. Billy’s Reputation Might Have Been Exaggerated Billy the Kid might have killed nine people, and five of those deaths happened while he was a Regulator during the Lincoln County Wars. Even that high a number is questionable since evidence only exists that he was personally responsible for the deaths of four people, including two prison guards. While he participated in the killing of five others, there is no proof that he was the one who pulled the trigger.
  36. 1 point
    Gustave

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    Jesus was One Person with TWO Natures (Divine & Human) these two natures were NOT mixed or blended but united into the One Person, Jesus Christ. When Jesus died God experienced Death. Now, to be absolutely clear Jesus did NOT experience what the Jehovah's Witnesses call soul sleeping. If we accept the Doctrine of the Trinity we accept that "GOD" became man without ceasing to be God. We accept that God incarnated into our flesh and was in all ways like us EXCEPT pertaining to sin. We accept that Jesus died on the Cross AND rose again from the dead on the 3rd day. Jesus was explicit that HE would raise Himself up from the dead. John 2, 19: "Destroy this temple, and in three days, I will raise it up". We also read in the Scriptures that THE FATHER raised Jesus from the dead We also read in the Scriptures that THE HOLY SPIRIT raised Jesus from the dead. This is why Scripture says that "GOD" (which is Father, Son & Holy Spirit) Raised Jesus from the dead.
  37. 1 point
    debbym

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    I believe.... Jesus was enduring fully his humanity, including experiencing the second death. As a divine human agent and in subjection to his humanity, as in he hungered, he became exhausted, he also in his humanity felt complete separation from God in his humanity. He did not merely die the death of sleep, his humanity fully experienced the second death for every child of Adam, so he could bring to them the power of his death as a sinner, and also bring to each of us the power of His resurrection to live as a new creature, a new mind and a new life. He did this by faith and by decision. Just as we die with him to sin by faith and by choice, and then live by the power of the resurrection. When his humanity died the death of hell, his divinity passed through that experience fully as he was joined eternally to humanity, by His choice. He took on himself our guilt and infirmities, and failings and everything, he did not walk away from the suffering of complete separation from His Father. And this was in being innocent and pure and Holy. Hid divinity did not die but it fully experienced his humanity dying the death of the sinner. When he gives that experience to the lost at the end of time for all sinners, the second resurrection, he will know exactly what they are experiencing from his experience. His divinity could not die, our guilt and death was laid on his humanity and His divinity passed through all of the experience of the guilty completely because he chose to become joined to humanity and all of what that would mean forever. this was part of the cost of becoming the second adam, and becoming the head of the human race, redeeming us. He drank the cup, and was the first being in the universe to die from Sin, hence satan and all his angels witnessed their death for the first time and witnessed fully their end. This must have been horrifying. Jesus laid aside his divine prerogatives and experienced fully the limitations of humanity and the life of living by faith and not by sight. but after He was resurrected, and his humanity fully resurrected from the dead, because his humanity was innocent and the grave could not hold it, then he took back divine prerogatives except his shape became permanent, and he gave up omniscience. Only in eternity will we begin to grasp all of the price his divinity paid to save us. But when he returned to heaven he received the Glory He had with his Father before he came to earth as a man. God is so kind and merciful he even demonstrated for those who would die, just what was eternal death was before they experience it. Jesus was the source of the beginning for all creation, and the source and beginning of all redemption, all recreation. He did not leave his fallen creation without hope. Our passage to life is dying with Christ and rising in new life in the power of His resurrection alone.
  38. 1 point
    JoeMo

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    Yes, but it was the first death - or "sleep" as Jesus called it when Lazarus died. Neither Jesus (nor any other being) has yet experienced the second death (unending oblivion - or "uncreation").
  39. 1 point
    B/W Photodude

    Who warned you to flee ...

    I was primarily talking about assigning dates to imagined prophesied events in Revelation and not to the Second Coming. Such dates as I was referring to would be like Iran is going to attack US warships on a certain date or charts drawn up that try to establish a proof that Revelation predicted 9/11 or any one of many other things said to be predicted by Revelation. There were so many errors in what you wrote that I do not have time to go thru them one by one. One that stood out was the assertion that the 144,000 would reap the harvest of souls. Unfortunately for a couple of reasons, this is clearly wrong. Jesus Himself defined just who the reapers were to be and they are angels. The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Matthew 13:39 Paul added to this when he wrote, "16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words." 1 Thessalonians 4 The ones who remain would largely be those who were of the 144,000. But note that they would be LAST to leave after the resurrected are caught up into the heavens and those who remain then join them. No reaping there. (There is a contingent of people who died under the three angels message who will also be resurrected early and will be alive to see the coming of the Lord.) I did leave out the vol number on the quotes posted. Will have to be more careful!
  40. 1 point
    news

    Questions and Answers (15:9)

    Lou: What about intercessory prayer, praying for others, does that really do any good? Graham: That’s a very good way to put the question. One reason we pray is because we don’t want to miss out on any good thing that God might have for us. We want to get our money’s worth, so to […] The post Questions and Answers (15:9) appeared first on Jon Paulien's Blog. View the full article
  41. 1 point
    phkrause

    Trivia

    5 Shocking Things You Didn't Know About Elvis Presley On August 16, 1977, Elvis Presley died of a heart attack. Elvis Presley, just 42 years old, was found unconscious on the bathroom floor of his Memphis mansion, Graceland. Here are five shocking facts you probably didn't know about Elvis Presley... Fifteen of the Songs Elvis Recorded Contained the Word “Blue” “Blue Suede Shoes,” “Blue Hawaii” and “Blue Christmas” are probably the best well-known of Elvis’s blue songs, but there were 12 others, and no one seems to know why he was attracted to songs that contained this word. Other songs that Elvis recorded containing the word “blue” are “Milkcow Blues Boogie,” “G.I. Blues” and “Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain.” One interesting thing about the King of Rock and Roll is that he never wrote any of the songs he recorded. Elvis Never Saw Priscilla Without Makeup In an interview with Priscilla Presley, she stated that her husband never saw her without makeup because mystique was important to him. She said he only wanted to see her made up and dressed. Reportedly, Presley went so far as to control what clothing his wife wore and would shop with her, and she wore at least a little makeup all the time. Presley Was a Germophobe The King of Rock and Roll, according to his wife, was a germaphobe and went out of his way to ensure he was safe from germs wherever he went. When he dined at the homes of other people, he went so far as to bring along his own silverware. In addition, when handed a drink, he would turn it around and drink from a cup next to the handle because he thought no one else ever did that. He Once Made a Midnight Run for Sandwiches Presley was well-known for his love of peanut butter and traveled on his jet one day in 1976 all the way from Graceland to Denver for a special sandwich sold by a local restaurant there. The sandwich consisted of a loaf of bread that was hollowed out and packed with a whole jar of peanut butter, the entire contents of a jelly jar and a package of bacon. This giant sandwich cost $50. Presley Underwent Several Plastic Surgeries Although it isn’t unusual for celebrities to have plastic surgery, Presley really had little done over the years. In 1956, he had his nose somewhat minimized by Hollywood plastic surgeon Dr. Maury Parks. In addition, he had a nose job while he was a soldier in the U.S. Army and a slight amount of work during the 1960s, according to Joe Esposito, who was the star’s friend and road manager.
  42. 1 point
    Rahab

    3 word devotional

    Being fully persuaded Romans 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
  43. 1 point
    Gustave

    Did God Die on the Cross? Part 1

    God the Son, the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity experienced "death".
  44. 1 point
    stinsonmarri

    Who warned you to flee ...

    The only person that I know of that predicted time to day is Pastor David Gates. I and others have written to him about this false prediction. I know of no other SDA who have made this claim. If you know of others would like to know. No one knows when the Time of Trouble will begin. There are signs that we are very close even at the door and we should get ready! The Bible does give you actual time or length of the Time of Trouble which will be 3 1/2 years, 1 hour or two months that the earth will not have an intercession and the wise will hear the time of YAHSHUA'S coming. These are in Daniel Chapter 12; Rev Chapters 11; 14; 17; 18. Again, I will repeat we do not know when the Time of Trouble will begin and all of these times will take place one after the other. Only when the Time of Trouble begins will the other times start will be known and the righteous will be bless to hear THE FATHER speak the time of HIS SON'S coming is now on the way. Time of Trouble: 1,260 days, 42 months or 31/2 years. No ones knows when this time will begin. Two class will be resurrected those who crucified YAHSHUA and many will awake for everlasting life. They will assist the 144,000. The 144,000 will have power like Moses to bring down the wrath of YAHWEH and to preach and reap the harvest of souls known as the great multitude. Time No Intercession: It will start at the end of the Time of Trouble -1,290 days it will begin and will be 1 hour or 2 months. The beast will come from the bottomless pit, The image to the beast is worshiped and is alive! Armageddon will take place, Babylon is judge which is the whore and Jerusalem will be destroyed for third and final time. YAHSHUA is preparing to come. THE BLESSED TIME: THE FATHER announces HIS SON is on the way, the righteous understand the wicked does not! Those blessed to stand until the 1,335 days are the ones saved. Both the wicked and the righteous will see YAHSHUA coming at the end of this time. This includes no intercession and 15 days before the 15 days begins THE FATHER tells the righteous HE is on the way and the end of those 15 days HE will be seen in the clouds of GLORY! The beast and false prophet is place in the Lake of Fire, birds have their supper, Satan for the first time is cast into prison or the bottomless pit where his angels will return with him and they all will be in prison for a thousand years. All of the above is in the Bible Chapters given. Just a presentation read for yourself! Be Blessed!
  45. 1 point
    Rahab

    3 word devotional

    God is One Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
  46. 1 point
    phkrause

    Trivia

    5 Things You Didn't Know About The Panama Canal_2 On August 15, 1914, after years of construction, the Panama Canal was opened to maritime traffic. Here are 5 things you didn’t know about this artificial waterway that sped up travel between the two major oceans... Initial Permissions for the Canal Were Given to a French Company When Colombia, which at that time controlled what is now Panama, decided that building a canal across the Panamanian isthmus was a good idea, it received proposals from a number of companies. The first company to be awarded the right to build the canal was the French builder Ferdinand de Lesseps, who had built the very successful Suez Canal years earlier. de Lesseps' plans did not translate well to Central America, however, and to the terrain across this tiny piece of land. His project hit so many stumbling blocks, including disease that killed many workers, that his company declared bankruptcy and was eventually bought out by an engineer named Philippe-Jean Bunau-Varilla, who had worked on de Lesseps' project. Those Initial French Canal Plans Called for No Locks One of the problems that de Lesseps faced was that he had assumed he could use the same construction methods and plans as he had on the Suez Canal. However, the Suez Canal crossed a relatively flat piece of land and required no locks, which are those compartments that fill with water and elevate a ship over higher terrain in a canal. In Panama, the distance to dig across the isthmus might not have been a lot, but it was rougher, elevated terrain. The amount of land that de Lesseps would have had to dig out was astounding and, ultimately, impossible. The U.S. Almost Built a Canal in Nicaragua Philippe-Jean Bunau-Varilla wanted the U.S. to buy assets of the canal but hit a bizarre block: The U.S. wanted a canal in Nicaragua instead. Bunau-Varilla managed to convince the U.S. government that Panama was a better choice because Nicaragua had too many volcanoes near the proposed canal route. The Rush to Put the Canal in American Hands Led to Panama's Independence From Colombia The U.S. wanted control of the canal zone even though a French company was working on the actual construction. While the U.S. and Bunau-Varilla might have been in agreement over this, Colombia was not, and it prevented the agreement that would have let the U.S. handle canal construction in Panama. Obviously, the U.S. didn't like that, so it decided to back rebels who eventually got Panama to break away from Colombia. After Panama became independent, its provisional government allowed the U.S. to take over canal construction. Fun fact: The Panamanian representative was, of all people, Bunau-Varilla. The Canal Had to Be Expanded in the Late 2000s -- and It May Still Be Too Small for Some Newer Ships The Panama Canal is considered a modern marvel, but its age is definitely showing. In the century-plus since the canal's construction, ships have increased in size by a tremendous amount. In 2007, work began on the canal to widen it so it could accommodate ships known as post-Panamax ships. Panamax refers to a class of ship that was built specifically to fit in the canal, and the canal now needs to fit larger and larger vessels. The new construction should allow it to let through ships that are nearly three times the size of Panamax ships, but it still won't be big enough to allow the world's largest ships, such as the Triple E container ships from Maersk.
  47. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    The downside of transgender practices

    There is much that is not known related to the issue of transgender. Regardless, I will say that being transgender is not a happy situation for anyone who is transgender. In my personal opinion, I do not even believe that we have a good understanding as to what a transgender person is. I am reminded of the debate that exists in the U.S. today related to homosexuality. Some define homosexuality on the basis of conduct, while others define it on the basis of gender preference. There is a world of difference between these two. Under the definition related to conduct, one may change from homosexual to heterosexual. Under the definition of gender preference, one may change their conduct, but their gender preference is unlikely to be changed. I will suggest that a similar situation may exist related to a transgender person. I will suggest that there are problematic issues related to school children claiming to be transgender, which is often simply a fad. One of the issues is probably that of genetics. In the area of homosexuality, we have limited information available as to a genetic influence. We are still in the learning stage on this issue. I will suggest that in the area of transgender, we understand even less as to the genetic influence. We have probably been taught that there are genetically two types of humans. [NOTE: We do know that this is NOT true for some other types of animal life.] We believe that persons born with a XX genetic configuration are female and persons born with a XY configuration are male. As it pertains to humans, all are either XX or XY. In actual fact this is not true. We now know some people have some organs that are genetically XX and other organs that are genetically XY. [NOTE: I am not referring to the external genitals.] To illustrate with an example: In some people it would be possible for a persons skin to be of one type, while that person's liver to be of another type. I do not think, that we know how this may effect a person being transgender. In short, I believe that our knowledge as to what it means to be a transgender and therefore we should be cautious as to what we say about such people.
  48. 1 point
    JoeMo

    Under Law

    Hi Gregory and Gustave, Great posts! I think that's easy to see with our 20/20 hindsight. But I doubt that many Israelites participated in these sacrifices thinking "this foretells of the Messiah to come". They were looking for a conquering Messiah; not a meek and poor One who would end up dying on a cross. The 10 Commandments have a much broader application than "Thou shalt not ..." They provide a global moral compass that separates right from wrong for us. Without that moral compass, who is there to determine what is right and wrong. Look at what ignorance (willful or unconscious) of the 10 Commandments has brought us - a celebration of all forms LGTBQ+, laws allowing abortions up to the point of birth, racial hatred (much of it for no reason), increasing persecution of believers, etc. God gave us the Law because it is GOOD! It is not meant to be restrictive; it is meant as a guide on how to live in complete freedom and security. satan has placed in our psyche the notion that the best way to exercise our free will is to violate God's Law - to show Him that we do indeed have a free will; and we don't have to do what He wants. He never mentions the fact that a better way to exercise our free will is to choose to accept Go's Law and His rulership. I'm not preaching legalism here. None of us will keep God's Law in Spirit perfectly for the rest of our lives (unless you die while reading this). Where is our heart? What do we consult as our moral compass?
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    Gregory Matthews

    Notice to All

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    Gregory Matthews

    Caution for this and any website.

    The Administrators of Club Adventist feel it necessary to warn you that some people posting in Club Adventist and most other forums, may have criminal backgrounds which may include financial crimes, violence and/or sexual crimes which may have involved children as well as adults.. All persons should be aware of the potential risk that may come from sharing personal information, such as addresses and telephone numbers with people who are essentially unknown to them. Persons posting on the Internet often are not who they appear to be. This may be true for people posting here. Club Adventist cannot be responsible for determining the true identity and background of any person in this forum. All of our members must take personal responsibility for their own safety and only release personal information under conditions where they are certain that it is safe to do so. This posting has come about as a result of discussions between the Administrators and I. If any of you have specific concerns, please feel free to address those concerns in a private message to me. Do not post in any public forum concerns that you may have about any specific individual. If responses to this posting become inappropriate, I will need to close this post and not allow further public discussion. Gregory Matthews
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