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  1. 4 points
    dgrimm60

    How exact do we need to be?

    GAIL I hear a sermon about the word perfection====the speaker made a point about the word perfect he said we could use the word qualified ===an example===" this person is perfect for the job" we could use the word qualified====" this person is qualified for the job " so GOD THE FATHER===GOD THE SON===GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT are qualifying his people to be in HEAVEN just a thought dgrimm60
  2. 3 points
    CoAspen

    14,000,000 Loss

    One of the responces to the article asked the question, 'Is bringing them back, the best thing to do?' They mentioned that it sounded like control. I also wonder if our approach to the matter is because we feel that somehow they are 'lost'. Maybe a reexamination needs to be done of our motives in the beginning. Bring people to Christ or to the SDA church? It's an old question but I believe still largely unanswered. Is numbers a measureing stick of spiritual health?
  3. 3 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Just like old times ...

  4. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    A comment on Annual Council

    The REVIEW has posted my comment, in full, as I wrote it in the OP, on their website.
  5. 2 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    In Japan it's about Mindfulness Of Others

  6. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    How exact do we need to be?

    thats one of the best things I have ever read about the subject! Thank you!
  7. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    A Time of Crisis

    A quote from referenced article: Oh boy! I can just imagine what this investigative turkey-shoot would look like! How can anyone even want to be in leadership with this kind of chain-saw doctrine and theological bullying? There were a few quotes here that I really appreciated: I recall a few years or so back that i was looked at a bit sideways by some for using photo-shop to put a Pope hat on Pastor Wilson. Maybe that was a prophecy? At any rate, the two questions asked after those quotes are important: What is the nature of true Christian unity? What is the price of unity? It would actually be interesting to explore. Another comment, from a different article, seems pertinent here: Read Source
  8. 2 points
    aka

    In Japan it's about Mindfulness Of Others

    I so appreciate you posting the video clip. I know of this politeness etiquette going on there and have often wished for the western world to grasp the same mannerism. Born-from-above christians do practice loving politeness and consideration, we must acknowledge. However, the western worldliness lacks that humble delicacy of respectful mindfulness of others.
  9. 2 points
    debbym

    The Adventist Marriage Message

    in the USA there are states that recognize common law marriage. Yes these are marriages without a license and are recognized as married couples. this is something recognized or denied at the whim of statute and opinion of the powers that be in different states. there is a range of views on this. when a couple has a commitment to each other, and live faithful, and devoted.... who is going to come along and tear them apart till they get married by the particular laws in non common law states? i don't know the status of these positions in different countries. Colorado: Common law marriage contracted on or after Sept. 1, 2006, is valid if, at the time the marriage was entered into, both parties are 18 years or older, and the marriage is not prohibited by other law (Colo. Stat. §14-2-109.5) Iowa: Common law marriage for purposes of the Support of Dependents Chapter (Iowa Code §252A.3) Otherwise it is not explicitly prohibited (Iowa Code §595.1A) Kansas: Common law marriage will be recognized if the parties are 18 or older and for purposes of the Divorce and Maintenance Article, proof of common law marriage is allowed as evidence of marriage of the parties (Kan. Stat. §23-2502; Kan. Stat. §23-2714) Montana: Not strictly prohibited, they are not invalidated by the Marriage Chapter (Mont. Stat. §40-1-403) New Hampshire: Common Law Marriage: “Persons cohabitating and acknowledging each other as husband and wife, and generally reputed to be such, for 3 years shall thereafter be deemed to have been legally married, until one of them dies.” (N.H. Stat. §457:39) South Carolina: allows for marriages without a valid license (S.C. Stat. §20-1-360) Texas: Common Law Marriage in specific circumstances (Tex. Family Law §1.101; Tex. Family Law §2.401-2.402) Utah: Utah Stat. §30-1-4.5
  10. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    Happy Sabbath To All

    I am glad you found a little sanctuary in the Library my friend! PTL
  11. 2 points
    LifeHiscost

    Happy Sabbath To All

    Sorry I've been missing so long. Due to the major fires in the area, we've been out of electricity for about a week and it is suppose to be up to as long as another 1-8 days. This is from the library facilities. God is Love!~Jesus saves!
  12. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    Tech Addiction

    Ill be busy in the nearest black hole and traveling at the same speed as time, exploring.
  13. 2 points
    CoAspen

    Tech Addiction

    To busy, I would think. Our minds will do wondorous things!
  14. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    Just like old times ...

    Whats there to "pay attention to?" Seems with some there is an apostate under every doily, and its now a free-for all as to who has "the real truth." One would also be better off to quote or talk about this in better context, The ones who actually are "shaken out" will not be the ones we commonly expect to be. Time to move to the country I guess, eh? Except that leaves 90% of the people who could never afford such a prospect. But thats ok The Great Grand Poobahs will , or already have made their escape, leaving all of "those people" to rot in place. Some things that have been "pretty much taught for all of Adventism's history" are NOT even "Adventist.!!"
  15. 2 points
    CoAspen

    One View of AC

    Exactly!!!
  16. 2 points
    aka

    Graphic Quotes

  17. 2 points
    dgrimm60

    Northern California Conference Fire Status

    GREGORY thank you for this up date====we all need to be praying for this situation dgrimm60
  18. 2 points
    Bravus

    Baptizing the Devil

    The book's blurb: "Most every age has myths, even creation myths. Ours is evolution. “But evolution can’t be a myth,” people say. “It’s science!” But the meta-myth of our age is that because something is science it must be true. Baptizing the Devil hopes to free believers from that myth, and the knee-jerk reaction that the only logical and rational response to the phrase “But it’s science!” is to surrender one’s beliefs to it, even such a foundational belief as creation." "Myth' does not mean something is untrue or fictional. A myth is a meaning-making story. If recent creation makes meaning, it's a myth, and saying so is not saying anything about its truth. Saying that something is 'science' is also not especially useful: any rich definition of science includes at least (1) a set of methods of inquiry, (2) attitudes and values in relation to knowledge, (3) technical language and conventions of communication (e.g. nomenclature, units), (4) a body of measurement results (data) and (5) a set of interrelated theoretical frameworks that has descriptive, predictive and explanatory power in relation to the data. Knowledge and belief are also different, inter-related things. The bottom line, for me, is that the quote from the blurb either (a) displays a lack of understanding of some of these distinctions or (b) understands them but deliberately elides them for rhetorical effect.
  19. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Omega

    I watched the first 30 minutes of the first video listed; and had to turn it off because of the inaccurate statement of facts and the fear-mongering and control being preached. For example, I have participated in several "emerging church" activities; and none of them - NOT ONE - has reached out to non - Judeo-Christian religions. In fact, all of them were interested in getting away from a relationship with man-made denominationalism and into a relationship with Father, Son, and Spirit. It criticized meditation. Look at a concordance and see in the Bible how many of our heroes practiced meditation on the words of God. IMHO, stuff like this stifles people's motivation to get closer to God, trying to convince them to ignore anything but what the denomination spews forth.
  20. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    A comment on Annual Council

    Today, October 10, the Annual Council is talking about denominational membership and the fact that in a year, 40 people will drop out for every 100 who will join, and that we really do not know and understand the dynamics taking place in these people. I am attempting to post the following comment on the Review website to address this issue in a small way. I do not know yet if the Review will post my comment.
  21. 2 points
    CoAspen

    A Time of Crisis

    Reading and rereading through the Phase 2 document, left me a little confused. In talking about not trampling or coercing the individuals conscience, they seemed to be saying that when it comes the .org in session that is not true. They switch to the wording 'opinions' of the single or a few and those must not be held. My understanding of what was written regards policy making, governance, etc. The idea seems to be that women being ordained by God, which is not said but is the elephant in the room, must follow a policy because .org is saying it is not allowed. Here we have a policy dictating that which may be a God/ HS led issue. The document seems to so focused on the end, wanted result, that an independent review was not done. There is a blurring of the lines between opinion and HS led conscious , or is there? AS some have said, the document is not well laid out or written. To much copy and paste along traditional lines with out some real though as to context, in my mind.
  22. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    My Response to AC Vote

    The following is my nuanced response to the vote of the Annual Council yesterday to return the Unity Document back to committee. This response has been accepted and posted by the REVIEW on their website:
  23. 2 points
    aka

    Graphic Quotes

  24. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Graphic Quotes

    Today is the day the Lord has made. Rejoice and be glad in it!
  25. 1 point
    Gail

    How exact do we need to be?

    I know that God wants us to be perfect as He is perfect. Since to our human understanding that is pretty impossible, what do we do? Try to understand what God means by those words, I guess. Or, wait for Him to endow us with... what, exactly? What I am getting at, is that our human idea of perfection makes us focus on others' imperfections. This is a whole lot easier than taking that long look in the mirror. When we use, The just shall live by his faith, as a way to focus on ourselves instead of Christ's faithfulness, our beauty will be changed back into ashes and our joy will recede into the oil of mourning again. It has to be more than about us. Just some thoughts wandering about and popping onto a page.
  26. 1 point
    The Wanderer

    The Adventist Marriage Message

    The Adventist Bible Marriage Message This topic has several angles that will likely develop from it. It is a point of our faith and doctrine that we have held from the beginning of our denomination. I will refuse to acknowledge anyone who tries to subvert this to other sexual orientation issues, because it is not about that. It is strictly about, what is OUR Church’s Christian marriage message? The heterosexual, christian, equally yoked marriage message? I would love to explore this with likeminded ones who wont judge or condemn these questions because these questions come up a lot more than you think. With atleast 50% of the marriages even in the church ending in divorce, we need to start knowing what marriage is better, and then living it even better than that. Stan runs a nice website for Adventists who want to date adventists, but, again, close to 50% of marriages in the church brake down. So what good does it do to “marry in the church,” to another Adventist? Do we really know what “unequally yoked” means? Is it possible, that by some means, many people who marry fellow Adventists, are infact unequally yoked? I have personally seen this so you wont do too well trying to convince me it does not happen as long as they are “true believers,” and “truly” yoked together. These are cliché, anecdotal “evidences. In my opinion, and experience, I have seen may “common law” relationships, with members of two different faith groups, that were labelled as “fornication,” “unequally yoked,” and breaking God’s commandment to only have sex and live together if you are married or it’s considered”fornication,” “living in sin.” Well look at the headlines! More that 50% of marriaes are ‘living in sin” too!! But if it wasn’t for the fact that I personally saw many very loving and respecful relationships, where they were not married. And they were doing better than many Christians I have seen. Why do they need to get married? Infact, I have seen non-church people “just” “live common law,” and they have such amazing, wonderful relationships. So why is the “fornication? Why is it living in sin? Ask yourself, what is marriage? What is our marriage message of salvation. I say it this way because all doctrines are invested with power and influence according to their relation to this theme of Christ and Him crucified. Some common law relationships I have seen have modeled beautiful, loving relationships which in turn have modelled Christ and Him crucfied far more extensively than the “real “ marriage adherents, of whom 50% of them fail at. I know an unmarried man and woman who have lived 49 years together. Very few “Christian” marriages go this long. And it is so easy to see how very deeply they are in love. Is that “fornication” too, just because they wont do something the church says, which just happens to fail 50% of the time anyways. Its become insanity. Where does the Bible even say we must get married? And to like believers? Can one be unequally yoked with members of the same Church? God told one guy in the church, if you will, Bible to marry a harlot!! He was obeying God so he could not possibly be sinning, but wasn’t that marriage “unequally yoked?” What a mess this has become in the world and in the church. I think all that marriages have been reduced to is a business venture, planned by greedy lawyers, embitered ex, and errant governments who don’t care about any of it except that it is good to generate business taxes in “family law.” But that’s not “family” law. Its Kangaroo Court, or worse
  27. 1 point
    aka

    The Adventist Marriage Message

  28. 1 point
    aka

    The Peanuts Gang continued

  29. 1 point
    The Wanderer

    Opinion Poll of Adventists about Ordination of Women

    and they base this on talking to just less than 1200 people from around the entire world. Sorry, but I dont buy anything that goes on such flimsy innuendo
  30. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl

    I believe that the interests of justice are not being served by allowing Sgt. Bergdahl to pled guilty. He states that his plea is that of guilty due to the fact that he does not believe that he can obtain a fair trial due to the fact that the Commander in Chief has publicly stated that he should be executed as a traitor. Yes, I am aware that there is a ruling that that this is not sufficient to cause the charges to be dismissed and the case can go to trial. But, personally, I believe that due to what the President (Commander in Chief) said, in the interests of justice the case should go to trial. In general practice, a defendant is not allowed to pled guilty unless they actually admit to being guilty. In view of the fact that Sgt. Bergdahl has stated his reason for a guilty plea is that he does not believe he can get a fair trial, I believe that his plea of guilt does not satisfy the requirement to actually admit guilt and I believe his guilty plea should be rejected. Further, I believe that there are issues that can only be resolved by a legal determination that the American public has a right to have those issues determined and made public. Under the set of circumstances that currently exist, I believe that Bergdahl can both go to trial and have his civil rights protected. IOW, I believe that a trial could be constructed in a manner that protects his civil rights.
  31. 1 point
    8thdaypriest

    Islam-Based Partisan Focused Education

    AMEN!
  32. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    Northern California Conference Fire Status

    The following news items have been taken from The Word On The Street, The weekly news release of the President of the Northern California Conference of SDAs.
  33. 1 point
    D_Bishop

    Hurricane Harvey

    My church was and still is a major Harvey relief distribution center. When you enter into the sanctuary there are all sorts of pallets and boxes stacked up. Several people from the community helped every day with unloading trucks and distibuting food to families in the community. I've noticed several of those guys in church this past sabbath, listening to the music and enjoying the sermon. Seven or eight people stood up to join at the end of the service. I was talking to a fellow deacon. I asked him if he and his wife were situated (found a home) yet. He said no, they were still trying to do so. They lost their home during the flood. Soon as I am able I plan to put something in an envelope and give it to him.
  34. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    The Adventist Marriage Message

    Common law marriage: Yes, there are still States that recognize it. But, in all of those, it takes a ruling by a judge that the requirements for such have been met. Absent that ruling, the marriage is not yet in effect. Once that ruling has been obtained, it takes a formal divorce to end it. Why: Joe and Sally decide not to get a formal marriage and they live together for five (5) years. They call their marriage a common law marriage. At the 5-year point, they split up and each moves in with another person, with whom they live for four (4) years. At this time, they call their arrangement a common law marriage. However, there is no such thing as a Common Law Divorce. So, did both of them commit a crime by attempting marriage with two people? No, because no judge declared that either situation established a marriage. Folks, I have actually seen what I have described above happen. The issues here are such that many States no longer recognize so-called Common Law Marriages. But, some still do. But, in all of those who do, it still take a judge to rule that a Common Law Marriage was actually established. Outside of that ruling, a marriage does not exist. The only way to end a Common Law marriage is by: death, formal divorce or annulment.
  35. 1 point
    The Wanderer

    How exact do we need to be?

    well; in my personal experience, and indeed, in my theological studying, only one thing is readily apparent for this question. We walk by faith; and not by sight, and God cannot give us faith "in advance" for something that has not happened yet. This is why I find it so irritating when some cry out"get ready!" "be ready" etc. We cannot do that! We can, and we do walk by faith. Not by sight, such as something we perceive in the past, present, or future, unless it is happening to us now. When the disciples said "Lord, increase our faith;" they were feeling their weakness, but the faith I have so far received has never failed. Not even once.
  36. 1 point
    aka

    The Peanuts Gang continued

  37. 1 point
    The Wanderer

    Happy Sabbath To All

    Happy Sabbath To All! Knox Presbyterian Church, 1901-1985 is now a part of the local museum and historical site here. While this is a beautiful reflection on our history, it also points forward to the day when "the tabernacle of God is with us," I can feel it every time I enter this sanctuary. Christ is spoken of as walking in the midst of the golden candlesticks. Thus is symbolized His relation to the churches. He is in constant communication with His people. He knows their true state. He observes their order, their piety, their devotion. Although He is high priest and mediator in the sanctuary above, yet He is represented as walking up and down in the midst of His churches on the earth. With untiring wakefulness and unremitting vigilance, He watches to see whether the light of any of His sentinels is burning dim or going out. If the candlesticks were left to mere human care, the flickering flame would languish and die; but He is the true watchman in the Lord's house, the true warden of the temple courts. His continued care and sustaining grace are the source of life and light. {AA 586.1} Christ is represented as holding the seven stars in His right hand. This assures us that no church faithful to its trust need fear coming to nought, for not a star that has the protection of Omnipotence can be plucked out of the hand of Christ. {AA 586.2} "These things saith He that holdeth the seven stars in His right hand." Revelation 2:1. These words are spoken to the teachers in the church--those entrusted by God with weighty responsibilities. The sweet influences that are to be abundant in the church are bound up with God's ministers, who are to reveal the love of Christ. The stars of heaven are under His control. He fills them with light. He guides and directs their movements. If He did not do this, they would become fallen stars. So with His ministers. They are but instruments in His hands, and all the good they accomplish is done through His power. Through them His light is to shine forth. The Saviour is to be their efficiency. If they will look to Him as He looked to the Father they will be enabled to do His work. As they make God their dependence, He will give them His brightness to reflect to the world. {AA 586.3}
  38. 1 point
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Baby Born at GC HQ

    interesting... in more ways than one.
  39. 1 point
    phkrause

    Tech Addiction

    So CoAspen, do you think that we will continue all this tech stuff in heaven? or in the new Earth? I know of some that think that things will go on as is, when we finally settle into our new homes here on the earth made new!! Some very interesting thoughts for sure!
  40. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    OUT Of Control

    Fires burning in populated areas: Yes, that occurred. The near-by forests produced massive amounts of smoke that covered large areas, to include the populated areas. The smoke contained burning embers which were carried by the wind to land on the homes and properties in the populated areas, which started fires.
  41. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    One View of AC

    See: https://atoday.org/watching-coercion-and-attempted-control/
  42. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    Baptizing the Devil

    Does science contradict the Bible? Or, does science contradict my personal understanding of the Bible? Or, are both possible?
  43. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    Annual Council Votes

    The vote is in: 184 persons voted to send the Unity Document back to Committee. 114 persons voted not to send the document back to committee. The Unity Document is dead in the water for this year. As to 2018, The GC has been taught a lesson. If they want to pass in 2018, they will need to do their homework and present a document that has wide acceptance. It was clear from the discussion that the majority of the delegates, regardless of whether or not they supported the ordination of women, did not support this document and the manner in which it was presented. Delegate after delegate complained about the process. This became the issue.
  44. 1 point
    Jeannieb43

    Annual Council Day 3

    Sorry to sound negative, but as for me personally, whatever the "brethren" decide in Autumn Council will govern what the organization itself will do in the coming months, but it will have nothing to do with me personally and with my spiritual experience. In other words, I have my own relationship with God and with my fellow man but (fortunately) I don't need any other human being to tell me what or how to worship or believe. I realize I'm fortunate, living in the United States, to be able to worship without interference from government forces. But the organization of our church is becoming so top-heavy, IMHO, that I have ceased paying much attention to the comings-and-goings of the people in leadership. There are, and have been, several leaders who have inspired me over the years. But at my age they've mostly all passed away now. They've left me with gems from the Bible and Ellen White which I read and reread to gain strength throughout the day. My biggest task now is to be a friend and a leader to others in my sphere of influence, whatever and whoever they might be. I'm becoming acquainted with lots and lots of new people now that I've left my home of 50 years and moved into a new community. I'm the only Adventist, and the only vegetarian, in this senior community now where I live. I've made lots of new friends, though. Hopefully my life will somehow inspire them to want something that I have, and maybe some of them will learn to love Jesus through me.
  45. 1 point
    aka

    The Peanuts Gang continued

  46. 1 point
    aka

    Graphic Quotes

  47. 1 point
    Raphael

    The Adventist Marriage Message

    Ofcourse for those (horrifically and shamelessly) claiming the authority and right to change divine laws (till hundreds over the millenniums and still more to come), they don't need grounds of reason, logic or even common sense cause that kind of authority is 'superiorly' arbitrary.. Not to mention their infamous claim of perpetual infallibility.. Hehe..
  48. 1 point
    The Wanderer

    The three 'new light 'views and the dangers of.

    I could be wrong but I think Stan means the way the guy in this video uses the "2520",teaching. I dont think the Adventist church has this as an official teaching?
  49. 1 point
    The Wanderer

    The three 'new light 'views and the dangers of.

    Without comment on the rest of it, not naming EGW does not mean that one doesnt "preach to Adventists." A website link in the signature, and a couple of other things gives it away pretty quick.
  50. 1 point
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Kenya Rules SDA Actions Illegal.

    I may be wrong, but from other articles and comments made by African SDAs on various church issues that I've read, they tend to write/speak very fervently, and not always in a way that would be culturally acceptable in the West. Just my observation...


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