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  1. 5 points
    CoAspen

    New Jerusalem Population

    There will be room for all that choose to be there! Really, very simple! God has no limits, only humans attempt to limit!!
  2. 4 points
    Bravus

    School Killings

    Guns are part of the problem but not the whole problem. The thing is, it's a complex, multi-part problem that will have a complex, multi-part solution. Which seems to be a challenge for us these days: we want simplistic solutions. So we bark at each other from our different sides of an imaginary fence, ignoring the real complexity of the landscape.
  3. 4 points
    GayatfootofCross

    New Jerusalem Population

    Billions n Billions will be there! Experiencing God's love for me has expanded from what man can not number (Rev 7:9) to.. a look at the Hubble Telescope (Gen 22:17) at just a sliver of the black sky! And our country homes/estates can be as large as counties! A world without seas can hold it And numerous Great Lakes can hold tons of aquatic life. God is infinite in love and housing capabilities.
  4. 3 points
    GayatfootofCross

    New Jerusalem Population

    I love talking of Heaven ...One of the things that my Partner noticed when I first started taking him to our church was we talk more of Heaven more than hell. Yes! So Gregory Mathews I had to read your statement a few times to come up with something lovely you might be really saying on this thread. Maybe you mean that weird things of the world baffles secular people? or my first thought.. the numbers that are quibbled over? Please set me straight.
  5. 3 points
    Ron Lambert

    New Jerusalem Population

    Whenever I lead Bible study groups, I try to be careful not to allow the conversation to digress into a discussion of the 144,000, since there are some people who ride this as a hobby horse and insist it is a literal number. Once--just once--I allowed someone to bring this up, and it destroyed the Bible study group. It was an elderly church member who brought it up. It certainly did not help the non-SDAs who were present! (Being 71 now, I guess I qualify as elderly. But just because one might be elderly, does not mean one has to be a fanatic, and refuse to listen to sound reason based on Scripture.) By the way, I am not sure what the real dimensions of the New Jerusalem will be. The measurements given in the prophecy may not mean what many think they do. The idea of the city being a cube 1400 miles high, does give me pause. 14 miles high would be more reasonable. Of course, the upper floors could be pressurized. Oh, and remember we have to leave space for the Garden of Eden to be the Central Park for the city!
  6. 3 points
    Rahab

    Flu

    we're against the flu shot ... had to take it when I was young, had no choice but as an adult haven't had it in years and have not been sick with it this year they guessed wrong and it will not help anyone to take it but they continue to push it... SOP said that in the end times there will be diseases and germs docs will not be able to cure or treat effectively...best to have a good immune system
  7. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Flu

    Certainly she had some good stuff. It blew my mind, however, when she spoke of the flu shot being injected directly into the blood stream. I can not believe that a physician would say such. She did. What motivates me: I have seen people die because they expected the body to take care of and cure itself and ignored standard treatments that would have cured them. In dealing with this, I have had to deal with hospital staff who were providing care to the patient as that patient died. Further, she seems to make the most elementary mistake in not understanding that correlation is not cause. Yes, I took the time to view the video.
  8. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Need Some Advice :)

    I am looking for some advice right now. It seems that I am soon going to be in a place in which I can arrange for some charities to receive some substantial donations. I am looking for suggestions as to which charities should receive the available funds. Here is the deal: A woman in Africa is dying of cancer. She has selected me to distribute some $12,700,000 in funds to charities of my choice. So, I need to come up with a plan. Anyway, the very idea that she trusts me to handle such funds has made my day. Any ideas? NOTE: Please do not insult my intelligence by suggesting that I believe this woman.
  9. 3 points
    Kevin H

    New Jerusalem Population

    Hard to answer using only original thoughts, there is an interesting quote (I'm sorry I forgot the page and even chapter) in Mrs. White's "Acts of the Apostles" that I heard read at a youth conference where it went ok, but when I got back to academy and read it there was quite an up roar among both students and faculty and I was told that either she was wrong, or that she must have been counting all the angels as well, that surely she was not talking about humans. Anyway, the 144,000 is a symbolic number, the tribes also represent different personalities. It simply means that these people have had an experience where they have held on to their love and trust in God despite all the chaos of earth going through the last seven steps of no longer being able to support life. They have followed the Bible when people give it up because they can no longer excuse away contradictions and massive copying. There will be a world wide economic cooperation to try to keep fragile life on earth going and it will appear successful, but everyone will find that to cooperate they will either need to give up some point of conscience, or that they will be tempted in using external control psychology to force others to give up some point of conscience. (Some how the idea of Sunday laws, whether they become a reality or not but will be involved with this among Christians, with other issues with the same principles for people of other groups.) Satan will impersonate Jesus and the demons will impersonate people in our quality world and encourage us to go along with the system. Everything inside of us will say that this is Jesus. The Bible will be found with the same issues that Canright found in Mrs. White's works, so why depend on these undependable works when we have Jesus, the Bible writers and even Mrs. White (who admit their errors and now has it all together) all encouraging us to give up those books, listen to them now and to go along with the system. Seeing our beloved parents and grand parents our senses will tell us that we are wrong to reject our loved ones, to cling to the Bible and to say "I'm sorry but Jesus is Satan" the 144000 are going to believe that they have rejected Jesus for the message of the Bible, but even thought they believe that they will face God's wrath for this, they still follow the message of scripture doing what is right because it is right. The number 144,000 is a number that indicates this experience. When John looks at them he sees that they are a vast mighty throng that no man can number. And so when we get to the end in the New Jerusalem and those outside the New Jerusalem; We find outside countless thousands vs. inside a vast mighty throng that no man can number. Thus to me it appears to be vast numbers in both places.
  10. 2 points
    Gail

    New Jerusalem Population

    And... Those large lakes that take the place of the oceans? I envision them full of colourful coral reefs full of swimming creatures. I know that lakes are fresh water and reefs live in ocean. But this is the new earth! Just trying to imagine what the eye hasn't seen and the mind cannot conceive.
  11. 2 points
    Gail

    New Jerusalem Population

    I am really enjoying this discussion- and all within the quote less parameters of this particular forum! Well done! I try to bear in mind that God's idea of salvation might be larger than our humanly, compartmentally-based mindset. I am not a universalist by any means, but if God is FOR me as the Bible says, ME... Then that broadens my opinion a bit.
  12. 2 points
    Kevin H

    Uriah- he was a Hittite

    Some were destroyed by death, others were destroyed by conversion, by making a choice to follow the God of Israel based on the evidence they saw, that is called "Faith".
  13. 2 points
    Bravus

    School Killings

    Arguing semantics over the bodies seems ... ghoulish. I guess the only point is that the assault weapon ban in itself would not stop the AR-15, which has been the weapon used in a number of mass shootings. It just means the law needs to be a little smarter. FWIW in Australia what was regulated were semiautomatics.
  14. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    New Jerusalem Population

    I like to think that wherever the throne of God is would be the center of the universe! However, thinking you are at the center of the universe because you can't see any further is one of those tricks of the mind like little kids thinking the moon is following them when out for a drive on a moonlit nite!
  15. 2 points
    Kevin H

    Billy Graham

    Right now the obituary section looks especially sad with Billy's name for the other notable figures and Del for Adventists. To see both names together here gives an extra sad feeling.
  16. 2 points
    dgrimm60

    Billy Graham

    PHKRAUSE he will be missed by family===friends===coworkers====fans====== and end of and ERA has come==== :-( dgrimm60
  17. 2 points
    Kevin H

    Billy Graham

    I have admired him. I remember when as a child and visiting family in California he was holding meetings there and we went a couple of times. Then watching him on TV over the years; reading how he grew and felt that he had been born again as he accepted a more moderate form of Christianity in about the 1970s or early 80s. I was in San Antonio for Flight Nurse school as he was speaking there in 1997 and went to see him speak again. I too feel like I lost a friend and look forward to meeting him in heaven.
  18. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    New Jerusalem Population

    Thanks to the Hubble telescope, I have now read figures like 1 trillion galaxies.
  19. 2 points
    GayatfootofCross

    New Jerusalem Population

    o dear! So all the stars in the sky promise to Abraham and numberless multitude from every nation etc showcased was just about the thousands of generations who lived and died before the generation who see Jesus coming alive? Not pertaining to the world being lit with the 3 Angels Message at all? B/W Photodude, I appreciate your input. My little country church I grew up in romanced us as a lil band huddled in the cave together waiting for Jesus to come. ( ..and *Joyce will do the cooking) I hear you about the flood and what not. Dismal I grew up thinking small numbers. As a child I had the gut feeling they were gloating. Cause my home didn't think that way. Now, Seeing Gods love for me and others has broadened my picture. The power of the Latter Rain perfects our character of love and,of course.would be lovely and alluring to the people all around. These are the things that capture my imagination. God is Mighty to save. *I heard an Elder say that about a dear lady during this discussion(among so many)
  20. 2 points
    Ron Lambert

    New Jerusalem Population

    The New Earth, we are told, will have no seas, only a few large lakes. Since the surface of the earth presently is 4/5 water, and the extreme latitudes are hardly habitable, with inhospitable mountains and deserts all over--and we still have a human population close to eight billion--there clearly will be room for a great many people in the New Earth. God could always make the planet even bigger if He wanted, reducing the size of the super dense iron core to preserve the same gravity.
  21. 2 points
    whbae

    New Jerusalem Population

    I think, if I understand correctly, the new Jerusalem will be come down to the old Jerusalem. Am I wrong? No matter where it comes down, our earth has so much space!
  22. 2 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Due Diligence

    I could write a lot about what was in the article. But I won't. I'm inclined to disagree with you, Gregory. The church *also* has a responsibility to perform due diligence. I think they dropped the ball. from the article: "Satanic ritual abuse" ....Oh come on. Give me a break. Totally agree with you there. And therein lies my personal opinion that avoidance of SDA "experts" in any field is in my best interest.
  23. 2 points
    GayatfootofCross

    New Jerusalem Population

    The idea of a literal number of 144,000 saved out of 7.6 billion? ..Is repugnant. The idea of a literal number of 144,000 to spread the 3 Angels message to 7.6 billion sounds daunting. So humour me for a moment .. lets go big! In the end time we will have a huge amount of people spreading the Message. We are not just talking of bible studies/seminars and passing out books. We are talking about people who God finally won our hearts for Him. Moved by this Wondrous Love! Smitten/Enamored/Dazzled! God has been courting you for quite sometime and we said Yes! Do you folks fully know what that does to you? The human heart gets abundance of? God pours His Holy Spirit into you and you become little Christs reaching people in your life. God's meek and lowly Spirit will be noticed. The love expressed in your eyes. The sacrificial nature of your spirit and actions for others will be seen. People will see the difference. The humility. They will see no judgement or condemnation. You know how attractive that will be? People will want to be around you. You could even be invited to Sinner's homes and people will hang on your every word. They see that they are included to God's ever widening Family. The Gospel..The Good News will have skin on it. Miracles and healings are promised also. Even more things than Jesus did ..cause there will be so many He is living in and working thru! Before Jesus comes this will happen All will be attracted. The world is crying out to be loved. This why I say Billions. One third of the population says Yes to God in the last days? I don't know. People will reject Him yes. But o so many will be won over by your life/message! Thousands were converted in one day once upon a time.
  24. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Flu

    I understand the truth that is behind much of what has been posted following my story of Anna. Certainly, there is truth in what has been posted as well as true generalizations. The story of Anny is one that I experienced in providing care to a woman who did not have to die. I had access to her clinical records. I had access to the oncologists who were working with her. Frankly, I am well informed as to her case. In her case, what I said was true.
  25. 2 points
    GayatfootofCross

    New Jerusalem Population

    My heart n mind soars when i think of HIM!
  26. 2 points
    whbae

    New Jerusalem Population

    Good enough !
  27. 2 points
    Ron Lambert

    New Jerusalem Population

    Revelation chapter seven was given to answer the question asked at the end of chapter six: Who shall be able to stand at the Lord's return? The 144,000 has to be a symbolic number, referring to the character of those who will be able to stand at the Lord's return. After all, that number consists of 12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel. Since those tribes do not even exist today, virtually everyone agrees that these 12 sets of 12,000 have to be symbolic. So how can a number that consists of a combination of 12 symbolic numbers not also be symbolic? The great multitude mentioned later in the chapter is a literal presentation of the answer to the question who shall be able to stand at the Lord's return. 144,000 is symbolic; great multitude is literal. They are the SAME group!
  28. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Breeze & Buttons

    The following should make your day. See: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/abandoned-foal-finds-new-fuzzy-friend-article-1.1362777 NOTE: The photos that are in the link from above, date back to 2013. However, that relationship continues to today.
  29. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    New Jerusalem Population

    I think that such talk is one reason why Christians are sometimes considered to be fools.
  30. 2 points
    CoAspen

    School Killings

    Am I my brothers keeper? Remember that story? We don't want to get involved? We enjoy finding something or someone else to blame? Love one another as I have loved you. Perhaps a country that claims it is a Christian Nation would have less violence if it practised the words of Christ? But we seem to be more concerned 'letter of the law', correctness of beliefs, the mote in others eyes, etc, etc...instead of loving others unconditionally as Christ did. I don't know, would something that simple really work.....have we tried it...could we try it....
  31. 2 points
    CoAspen

    New Jerusalem Population

    Glass half full or half empty....perspective.
  32. 2 points
    debbym

    Need Some Advice :)

    tell her to send all funds directly to the organization called Spring, which sets up wells and clean water sources where there is no clean or readily accessible water. Stump her with this one... tell her all the statistics on people dying for lack of clean water all over the world. https://www.charitywater.org/?utm_medium=ppc&utm_source=adwords&utm_campaign=brand&utm_content=believe&gclid=CjwKCAiAn5rUBRA3EiwAUCWb2wbzow4qBMzTG0M6Jzer6ztjr2zJKC7zu7gF736kvFE214_H2M3cLhoCbmQQAvD_BwE
  33. 2 points
    Outta Here

    Need Some Advice :)

    Thank you for sharing this information, Greg, and for reaching out in your time of need. I can't help you make the decision, but I'm sure there are many people here who are willing to offer you a bit of advice. I will offer to pray for you instead.
  34. 1 point
    B/W Photodude

    School Killings

    First of all, violence as I have posted many times, is often more often expressed by females. You lib types seem to choke on this, but I have posted many articles that looks at the evidence. More children are killed by their mothers. Women are just as involved in domestic violence. Even men going to war sometimes is promoted by feminists (research the White Feather campaign in Britain during the First World War. What boys need more is involvement with their fathers. But that often doesn't work out as they have been cast aside and government has become the husband of many women thru welfare and enforcement of child support. I even have posted how having more men involved in the church will save more of their family members, but we are content to have a gynocentric church. While this topic is about men's and women's issues, the following YouTube does get to where some may not like it, but it will quite graphically illustrate the issue.. You can always click out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2bCgunLEB4&t=28s BTW, will post a separate thread on "SoyBoys"!
  35. 1 point
    debbym

    School Killings

    We have epidemic aspergers in the nation Anger issues play a strong feature of this population. this mass shooters are expressing anger in a violent way. it is an issue of anger and violence and power weapons coming together... it is a complex issue that needs to be addressed from several sides.
  36. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    Code Red

    See: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/opinion/trump-russia-putin.html
  37. 1 point
    Rahab

    3 word devotional

    🌿 Go in peace 🌿
  38. 1 point
    CoAspen

    School Killings

    Truth not wanted!! Conspiracies are much better!!
  39. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    36 Years a Volunteer

    For 36 years she has been a volunteer and that does not include the many years she was employed. See: https://spectrummagazine.org/article/2018/02/16/longest-serving-adventist-volunteer-services-missionary-honored
  40. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    Flu

    1) Yes, I understand flu injections. That physician knew better than to say that the injection is directly into the blood. 2) Follow the money: * The money trail leads right to the clinic that essentially killed her. Thier fees were not cheap. * Do you have any idea as to how much it cost our hospital to custom fit that plastic shell, which she only wore for a few days, so that she could sit up for a few hours each day. THe hospital spent a lot more in treating her than it received for her care. * Do you have any idea as to how much it costs to charter an airplane equipped to transport a person in her condition, along with clinical staff, to fly her where she wanted to go. 3) Shame on me for not providing her the diet that she requested: My friend you clearly do not understand. That was both not possible and would not have been allowed if it had been possible.
  41. 1 point
    dgrimm60

    Happy Presidents Day

    HEY ALL MEMBERS IN THE UNITED STATES tomorrow FEB 19 2018 IS Presidents Day==== schools===post office ===banks===and all FEDERAL---STATE---COUNTY---CITY Offices will be closed if you get off I hope you all enjoy dgrimm60
  42. 1 point
    phkrause

    Nudnik the Dog

    Itzik is walking in Tel Aviv when he sees a sign in an apartment window that reads: "Talking Dog For Sale." Itzik rings the bell, the owner opens the door, and sitting on the couch is a Labrador retriever. "You talk?" Itzik asks. "Yep," the lab replies. “You can call me Nudnik.” "So, what's your story, Nudnik?" The lab looks up and says, "Well, I discovered that I could talk when I was pretty young. I wanted to help the State of Israel, so I told the Mossad about my gift, and in no time at all they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping. I was one of their most valuable spies for eight years running. "But the jetting around really tired me out, and I knew I wasn't getting any younger, so I wanted to settle down. I signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security work, mostly wandering near suspicious characters and listening in. I uncovered a lot of stuff and was awarded a batch of medals. I got married, had a mess of puppies, and now I'm just retired." Itzik is amazed. He asks the owner what he wants for the dog. "Fifty shekel?!" Itzik exclaims. "This dog is amazing. Why on earth are you selling him so cheap?" "Because he's a liar. He didn't do any of that stuff!"
  43. 1 point
    phkrause

    The Rebbe and the Limousine

    After getting all of the Grand Rebbe’s luggage loaded into the limo at Israel’s Lod airport, the driver noticed that the Rebbe was still standing on the curb. "Excuse me, Rebbe," said the driver, "would you please take your seat so we can leave?" "Well, to tell you the truth," said the Rebbe, "I never get a chance to drive, and I'd really like to drive today." "I'm sorry, but I cannot let you do that. I'd lose my job!" protested the driver. "There might be something extra in it for you," said the Rebbe. Reluctantly, the driver got in the back as the Rebbe climbed in behind the wheel. The driver quickly regretted his decision when, after exiting the airport, the Rebbe floored it accelerating the limo to 105 mph. "Please slow down, Rebbe!!!" pleaded the worried driver, but the Rebbe kept the pedal to the metal until they heard sirens. The Rebbe pulled over and rolled down the window as the cop approached, but the cop took one look at him, went back to his motorcycle, and got on the radio. "I need to talk to the Chief," he said to the dispatcher. The Chief got on the radio and the cop told him that he'd stopped a limo going a hundred and five. "So arrest him," said the Chief. "I don't think we want to do that; he's a really important person," said the cop. "All the more reason!" the Chief exclaimed. "No, I mean really important," said the cop. The Chief then asked, "Who is it, the mayor?" Cop: "Bigger." Chief: "A member of Knesset?" Cop: "Bigger." Chief: “The Prime Minister??” Cop: “Bigger.” "Well," said the Chief, "who is it?" Cop: "I think it's Hashem!" Chief: "What?! What makes you think it's Hashem?" Cop: "He's got the Rebbe for a limo driver!"
  44. 1 point
    aka

    God Promises

    Psalm 121 "The Lord watches over you - the Lord is your shade at your right hand...The Lord will keep you from all harm - he will watch over your life; the Lord will watch over your coming and going both now and forevermore."
  45. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    A False Report of Rape

    Notice that according to McDowell (You should read the entire article.) if a woman who has alleged rape actually becomes pregnant, that is evidence that she was falsely alleging rape. Astounding!
  46. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    What about the TRINITY....have we lost our WAY?

    As I look at what Stinsonmarri has posted above and stated is a paraphrase of EGW, I am concerned that people may have a problem distinguishing between what she has said and what EGW has said. As I do not equate her words with that of EGW, I am concerned. Certainly I believe that Stinsonmarri is honest at heart and would not intentionally misrepresent anything. And there are points on which honest people might disagree. But, I am reminded that recently she got it all wrong in her comment about Arius in which she placed him as living some 12 hundred years longer than he lived in her comment to the effect that he was a Jesuit priest. So, I am placing what EGW actually said below, so people can compare if they wish. The following quote is what EGW actually said on pages 105 & 106 of TM:
  47. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    What about the TRINITY....have we lost our WAY?

    God a person: I cannot conceive of God as a person in the sense that we experience personhood here on Earth. My preference is to use the term "personal being," as in my opinion this term does not have the baggage associated with the word "person." I acknowledge that some would attribute that to word games. Well, it works for me.
  48. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    What about the TRINITY....have we lost our WAY?

    Chilco: Leave the discussion, No, not in my thinking. You are not on a one-horse platform. (Forgive my illustration. )
  49. 1 point
    Gregory Matthews

    What about the TRINITY....have we lost our WAY?

    Yes, Sauliga, as to your age, I question whether or not you are well over 100 years old. As I was looking into it, you did not seem to recognized as the oldest living person in the world.
  50. 1 point
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Original thoughts forum - one rule only (Or how this all started...)

    But we don't need to copy Mendelyeyev's Table of Elements every time we say the word "oxygen."
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