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    Kevin H

    NAD leadership?

    I know that I'm critical of them, however I don't automatically dismiss them. They have been a part of the Adventist tapestry. They have a history that we on the one hand need to remember but also know that they often focus on things that we are in danger of overlooking. What scares me about them is that, despite their track record, they often consider themselves the ONLY form of true Adventism and the rest of us nominal Adventists. And they tend to use what ever they can to try to force their views on the rest of us. There are liberal sides and conservative sides. I respect and fear both equally. They all have something to say worth listening to. We have to remember that we all also have things that may be helpful to me but not necessary to you. The only one who had complete undiluted truth is our Lord Jesus Christ. Then we have 12 imperfect reflections of the truth and a further 70 imperfect reflections. We have prophets who all can have the same criticisms raised against them that the liberals and critics of our church can raise against Mrs. White. And these are the ones who are far above us in knowledge of the truth. We should be like this forum, the different voices where we share our views and comment and evaluate and we follow according to the dictates of our own consciences.
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    bonnie

    Identity Politics

    https://www.facebook.com/TippingPointonOAN/videos/807831386035907/ Enough to make your head explode
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    B/W Photodude

    Beware of wolves in Sheep's clothing that come here.

    I am not suggesting that Christians follow the practice of the Jews, I just understand why it is done. As far as Him being unknown God, in the synagogue during Torah reading, HaShem is just substituted for the name of God during the reading of the Torah, but to the reader it is clearly spelled out. In other places Adonai may also be used which means Lord. In fact, the reader of the Septuagint is likely to see the name of God more than the reader of the English KJV Old Testament as the name of God is frequently covered over with the word "LORD." You will see two spellings of Lord in the Old Testament. When you see "LORD", check your Hebrew Bible and you will see the name of God. This same practice of substituting for the name of a Divine person even happened in the New Testament. "The Word" as the beginning of the Gospel of John is said by one writer to be the substitute name for Michael the Archangel who was considered by some ancient sages as Divine.
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    Jeannieb43

    NAD leadership?

    We can't use Fulcrum7 as our sole source of Adventist activities and beliefs [or even as one of our sources, IMHO]. There's always going to be somebody who picks apart our leaders. Let's just read the Scriptures and concentrate on our own heart's allegiance to God. It makes me rather ill to read all this folderol.
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    Aubrey

    December 5, World Trick Shot Day

    Unbelievable shot! Happy World Trick Shot Day!
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    Kevin H

    NAD leadership?

    But you have to remember that the theology thread that Fulcrum7 represents has had a long history in the church and have tended to call who ever was currently in office and living as heretics including Mrs. White, Willie White, A.G. Daniels, W. W. Prescott etc. If times lasts long enough and these people die off eventually their grandchildren or great grandchildren will be singing the praises of say Elder Jackson and others for being faithful advocates of what they believe and that it is the generation living at that time where all this trouble started.
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    Gregory Matthews

    SDA Racism

    The Wanderer: As I understand it, the article as # 1 in a planned series. So, wait for the coming additions to it.
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    aka

    Praise Him

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    pierrepaul

    NAD leadership?

    If you're referring to George Knight, he didn't compare Wilson to Hitler - although Fulcrum7 predictably revved up their outrage machine, twisted Dr Knight's words and falsely reported that he compared Wilson to Hitler. A good rule to follow when reading the usual suspects at F7 is cut it in half and believe a 3rd of it. What Dr Knight did was quote Martin Niemöller's famous words.
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    B/W Photodude

    Beware of wolves in Sheep's clothing that come here.

    I think you asked if I knew history of Orthodox Jews. I know that there are more than one other person than you who is quite familiar with Jewish history here at Adventistan. For me, I attended temple for many years, studied Hebrew for a couple of years in the ulpan, I have two children who could walk right up to immigration in Israel and be granted on request citizenship in Israel due to their Jewish mother, and they have many cousins in Israel (actually 10 who are the kids of their Orthodox Rabbi uncle, plus all the children of the cousins). I do think it is inappropriate to go on about certain people not being Hebrew descendants, such as the Khazars you mention. Converts to Judaism have all the same privileges as any one born to a Jewish mother. I think it would be the same as saying there will be multiple classes of people in heaven. All that said, I suspect that nearly everyone has Jewish blood in them. Through all the various captivities the Israelites endured and the spreading of Jewish people throughout the world, it would be difficult not to have Jewish blood. Jewish people have multiple sites credited to them of even ancient visits to the New World. Their is even a rock in the Appalachian mountains said to be about 1000 years old which has several inscriptions of ancient Mediterranean languages on it including Hebrew (see Redbird petroglyph). There is even a running debate on whether the Cherokee Indians were not in fact descendants of Jewish settlers to American. Cherokees, are that I know of, the only Native American peoples with a written language. Chief Redbird is one of my ancestors. I also believe I have Native American blood on the other side of my family tree. However, no Native American DNA shows up on a genetic profile as given by 23andme, but approx 5% is Jewish! And one of my ancestors was an Asher, which is also though to be a Jewish name. https://www.23andme.com/
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    B/W Photodude

    NAD leadership?

    I think you said that already. Also, I say again, ... no!
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    Gregory Matthews

    SDA Leadership # 2

    See: https://atoday.org/the-leadership-culture-gap/
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    debbym

    Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:21

    Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:21
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    aka

    The Peanuts Gang continued

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    Gregory Matthews

    Men vs. Women

    The female author of the following article is a Ph.D. psychologist and a SDA minister. In this article she discuss in a very personal manner her experiences with males who have been in appropriate with her, how she reacted, lessons learned and how others reacted to her. https://spectrummagazine.org/article/2017/12/07/ears-hear-pastors-seminarians-and-metoo
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    Gregory Matthews

    What is a Christian?

    The following is episode # 1 (not 11) of a series that intends to address the question of how to explain what a Christianity is to a person with a question outside of the social context in which we live. I do not have the slightest doubt that this series will stimulate disagreement in part, due to who the author is. But, I also believe that it will challenge and stimulate thought. So, read it and enjoy, or even disagree. https://atoday.org/what-is-christianity-and-what-is-a-christian-a-dialogue-with-a-visitor-from-far-far-away-episode-11/
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    B/W Photodude

    Animal pranks

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    rudywoofs (Pam)

    What is a Christian?

    why? "Ervin Taylor" doesn't ring a bell with me. I guess I don't run in the same circles of interest...
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    Praise Him

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    Praise Him

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    Praise Him

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    Graphic Quotes

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    The Peanuts Gang continued

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    james423

    Lesson 11 - The Elect

    Overall Question: What does Romans have to say about the elect? Memory Text: Romans 11:1 New International Version I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. Sunday – Christ and the Law Romans 10:1-4 Common English Bible Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire is for Israel’s salvation. That’s my prayer to God for them. 2 I can vouch for them: they are enthusiastic about God. However, it isn’t informed by knowledge. 3 They don’t submit to God’s righteousness because they don’t understand his righteousness, and they try to establish their own righteousness. 4 Christ is the goal of the Law, which leads to righteousness for all who have faith in God. Monday – The Election of Grace Romans 11:1-7 God’s Word Translation So I ask, “Has God rejected his people Israel?” That’s unthinkable! Consider this. I’m an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he knew long ago. Don’t you know what Elijah says in the Scripture passage when he complains to God about Israel? He says, 3 “Lord, they’ve killed your prophets and torn down your altars. I’m the only one left, and they’re trying to take my life.” 4 But what was God’s reply? God said, “I’ve kept 7,000 people for myself who have not knelt to worship Baal.” 5 So, as there were then, there are now a few left that God has chosen by his kindness. [or “grace”] 6 If they were chosen by God’s kindness, they weren’t chosen because of anything they did. Otherwise, God’s kindness wouldn’t be kindness. 7 So what does all this mean? It means that Israel has never achieved what it has been striving for. However, those whom God has chosen have achieved it. The minds of the rest of Israel were closed. Romans 11:7-10 God’s Word Translation 7 So what does all this mean? It means that Israel has never achieved what it has been striving for. However, those whom God has chosen have achieved it. The minds of the rest of Israel were closed, 8 as Scripture says, “To this day God has given them a spirit of deep sleep. Their eyes don’t see, and their ears don’t hear!” 9 And David says, “Let the table set for them become a trap and a net, a snare and a punishment for them. 10 Let their vision become clouded so that they cannot see. Let them carry back-breaking burdens forever.” Tuesday – The Natural Branch Romans 11:11-15 Easy-to-Read Version 11 So I ask: When the Jews fell, did that fall destroy them? No! But their mistake brought salvation to those who are not Jews. The purpose of this was to make the Jews jealous. 12 Their mistake brought rich blessings to the world. And what they lost brought rich blessings to the non-Jewish people. So surely the world will get much richer blessings when enough Jews become the kind of people God wants. 13 Now I am speaking to you people who are not Jews. I am an apostle to the non-Jewish people. So while I have that work, I will do the best I can. 14 I hope I can make my own people jealous. That way, maybe I can help some of them to be saved. 15 God turned away from the Jews. When that happened, he became friends with the other people in the world. So when he accepts the Jews, it will be like bringing people to life after death. Romans 11:1-10 COMMENTARY BY MATTHEW HENRY God glorifies his grace by changing the hearts and tempers of the rebellious. How then should they wonder and praise him! The Jewish nation were as in a deep sleep, without knowledge of their danger, or concern about it; having no sense of their need of the Saviour, or of their being upon the borders of eternal ruin. David, having by the Spirit foretold the sufferings of Christ from his own people, the Jews, foretells the dreadful judgments of God upon them for it. Romans 11:16-24 New Century Version 16 If the first piece of bread is offered to God, then the whole loaf is made holy. If the roots of a tree are holy, then the tree’s branches are holy too. 17 It is as if some of the branches from an olive tree have been broken off. You non-Jewish people are like the branch of a wild olive tree that has been joined to that first tree. You now share the strength and life of the first tree, the Jews. 18 So do not brag about those branches that were broken off. If you brag, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say, “Branches were broken off so that I could be joined to their tree.” 20 That is true. But those branches were broken off because they did not believe, and you continue to be part of the tree only because you believe. Do not be proud, but be afraid. 21 If God did not let the natural branches of that tree stay, then he will not let you stay if you don’t believe. 22 So you see that God is kind and also very strict. He punishes those who stop following him. But God is kind to you, if you continue following in his kindness. If you do not, you will be cut off from the tree. 23 And if the Jews will believe in God again, he will accept them back. God is able to put them back where they were. 24 It is not natural for a wild branch to be part of a good tree. And you who are not Jews are like a branch cut from a wild olive tree and joined to a good olive tree. But since those Jews are like a branch that grew from the good tree, surely they can be joined to their own tree again. Wednesday – All Israel Shall Be Saved Romans 11:25-27 Evangelical Heritage Version 25 For I do not want you to be uninformed about this mystery, brothers, so that you are not conceited in your opinion of yourselves. There has been a hardening of part of Israel until the full number of Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written: The Deliverer will come out of Zion; he will remove ungodliness from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins. Romans 11:25 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY Among the pagans mustērion, usually in the plural mustēria, was used for secrets or secret doctrines, to be made known only to those who had been specially initiated. It was the technical term for their secret rites and celebrations, and also for the mystic implements and ornaments they used in their ceremonies….The mystery that Paul is now declaring is the purpose of God to save both Jews and Gentiles in His kingdom. The hardening of Israel is somehow to be used, in a manner beyond the comprehension of men (Rom. 11:33), to bring about the accomplishment of this divine plan. Romans 11:25 PEOPLE’S NEW TESTAMENT COMMENTARY This blindness, or hardening, had been due to Israel's sins, especially to unbelief. The second fact is that it would continue. Thursday – The Salvation of Sinners Romans 11:28-36 New International Reader’s Version 28 As far as the good news is concerned, the people of Israel are enemies. This is for your good. But as far as God’s choice is concerned, the people of Israel are loved. This is because of God’s promises to the founders of our nation. 29 God does not take back his gifts. He does not change his mind about those he has chosen. 30 At one time you did not obey God. But now you have received mercy because Israel did not obey. 31 In the same way, Israel has not been obeying God. But now they receive mercy because of God’s mercy to you. 32 God has found everyone guilty of not obeying him. So now he can have mercy on everyone. 33 How very rich are God’s wisdom and knowledge! How he judges is more than we can understand! The way he deals with people is more than we can know! 34 “Who can ever know what the Lord is thinking? Or who can ever give him advice?” (Isaiah 40:13) 35 “Has anyone ever given anything to God, so that God has to pay them back?” (Job 41:11) 36 All things come from him. All things are directed by him. All things are for his praise. May God be given the glory forever! Amen. Romans 11:31 Contemporary English Version And because of the mercy shown to you, they will also be shown mercy. Romans 11:31 SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY The Jews forfeited all the privileges of the covenant relation and can be received back into this relationship only in the same way as the Gentiles have been received. Some commentators regard this as an additional reference to the provoking of Israel to a godly jealousy by the sight of the Gentiles’ enjoying the mercy and blessing of God (v. 11). Thus God uses the disobedience of the Jews as an occasion for bringing mercy to the Gentiles (Acts 13:46). Then in turn He uses the revelation of His mercy upon the Gentiles to bring mercy again upon the Jews. Romans 11:31 COMMENTARY BY ALBERT BARNES The immediate effect of the unbelief of the Jews was to confer salvation on the Gentiles or to open the way for the preaching of the gospel to them. But its remote effect would be to secure the preaching of the gospel again to the Jews. Through … the compassion or deep feeling of the converted Gentiles, the gospel should be again carried to them.
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    aka

    Graphic Quotes

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    The Peanuts Gang continued

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    aka

    Believe it or not!

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    aka

    What is Hanukkah about?

    http://www.chabad.org/holidays/chanukah/article_cdo/aid/102911/jewish/What-Is-Hanukkah.htm Chanukah (Hanukkah) starts on the Hebrew calendar date of 25 Kislev, and lasts for eight days. The Hebrew word Chanukah means “dedication,” and is thus named because it celebrates the rededication of the Holy Temple. Also spelled Hanukkah the Hebrew word is actually pronounced with a guttural, “kh” sound, kha-nu-kah, not tcha-new-kah. In the second century BCE, the Holy Land was ruled by the Seleucids (Syrian-Greeks), who tried to force the people of Israel to accept Greek culture and beliefs instead of mitzvah observance and belief in G‑d. Against all odds, a small band of faithful Jews, led by Judah the Maccabee, defeated one of the mightiest armies on earth, drove the Greeks from the land, reclaimed the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and rededicated it to the service of G‑d. When they sought to light the Temple's Menorah (the seven-branched candelabrum), they found only a single cruse of olive oil that had escaped contamination by the Greeks. Miraculously, they lit the menorah and the one-day supply of oil lasted for eight days, until new oil could be prepared under conditions of ritual purity. To date Chanukah will be : 2017: December 12-December 20
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    The Wanderer

    Beware of wolves in Sheep's clothing that come here.

    I took a series of correspondence Bible studies through them a number of years ago. Very interesting and enlightening. I really enjoy anything they publish. Thank you.
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    B/W Photodude

    Beware of wolves in Sheep's clothing that come here.

    I actually had the book at one time but seemed to have misplaced it and repeated searches thru multiple moves have failed to result in me finding it. I had several books by the author and I believe it was Robert Leo Odom in one of his books. They were published by the Israelite Heritage Institute. I have three, Israel's Prophetic Puzzle, Israel's Angel Extraordinary, & Israel's Preexistent Messiah. Perhaps if I do a careful search thru those books I may find that particular subject. I find interesting in Odom's work that in one book he goes into the Targum, Talmud, & the Midrashic writings. Guess I have another project to the long list I already have! https://openlibrary.org/publishers/Israelite_Heritage_Institute
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    Gregory Matthews

    Sexual Assualt & SDA Hospital

    Well, you can always attempt to contact them and to ask.
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    B/W Photodude

    Beware of wolves in Sheep's clothing that come here.

    If you read more here at Adventistan, you would know!
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    The Peanuts Gang continued

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    Graphic Quotes

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    God Promises

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    The Wanderer

    NAD leadership?

    YES!! Best post of the year!!
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    Graphic Quotes

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    God Promises

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    Gregory Matthews

    SDA Racism

    Perhaps she would have died even is given care. The fact is that they the SDA hospital made no effort to save her. She died.
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    Gregory Matthews

    SDA Racism

    I found the citation to the so-called Free SDAs to be informative and interesting. I had never heard of them as an organization. However, I was aware of some of the clergy that they name as having broken away from the SDA denomination due to racial issues. To the question of rights and discrimination: When the first African-American man was elected to a Vice-President position in the General Conference, in modern times, he was NOT welcome eat his lunch in the regular section of the GC Cafeteria! Do you want me to bring up the well documented situation of a SDA hospital refusing to treat an African-American women on their Emergency Department. As a result, she died. How much more do you want? There is more.
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    B/W Photodude

    SDA Racism

    I am not sure what part of the country you write from, but apparently, things were not well for "people of color" in the American South at the time of the beginnings of the Adventist church. The rights I am assuming to be pretty much many of the rights not enjoyed by "people of color" by anyone in regular society. This includes being able to be full participating members of the church in seating, drinking fountains, bathrooms, etc. It is not hard to find pictures of segregated facilities from that era extending all the way to within my lifetime for minorities in America. In a not so extreme example of Blacks dealing with racism in the church, you have separate conferences for Blacks. This helped Blacks have an opportunity for church leadership, albeit in the Black community only. Today, things have changed in such a way that it is hard to remember that things were not so good at one time. Even the Southern Union conference is very different with a Black president. Probably would not have happened 100 years ago: http://www.southernunion.com/article/37/administration/president Unfortunately, I have heard very "devout" SDA members say some very harsh words for those of color. "Birds of a feather flock together" (Never mind that a blue parakeet will mate with a yellow parakeet!). Even worse, "in heaven, all people of color will be made white!" Seriously, I have heard this. These words will come back to haunt the ones who uttered them, baring forgiveness. So, I am not surprised that I just found this church myself. I only wonder why this breach has not been repaired and the "freeSDA"s have not rejoined the "mother" church. Is there something still lacking in Christian love that prevents healing?
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    Gregory Matthews

    SDA Evangelism Good & Bad

    See: https://spectrummagazine.org/article/2017/12/01/what-drives-me-crazy-about-adventist-churches
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    Kevin H

    SDA Evangelism Good & Bad

    Brother Ron was an exception and he was able to have an exceptionally good ministry because of that. The basic information in our evangelistic meetings come from the development of though through the Franciscans from about the 1300s and last seriously studied out in the powers court conferences in the late 1700s and early 1800s. And to me it appears that except for newer pictures and stories that our basic evangelistic series was finished in the 1930s and repeated ever since. Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heshel fell in love with Seventh-day Adventism and kept telling us that we have the best message that there is but that we are going to go no where's with it until we find better ways to present it. I've known old pastors who say studied with people like Elder Thiele or Lynn Harper Wood etc. and loved what they learned but when they got into the ministry they were so busy it was easier just to repeat the old messages than to implement what they learned from these people. I won't embarrass the guy by mentioning his name, but a friend of mine from Andrews has a TV ministry on 3ABN. He is not teaching what we learned and what he and I would discuss but his knowledge that he had when we were friends is light years a head of the super out of date and ultraconservative message in his messages and books. I have to admit I hate to hear him and had to give up reading his books because it is so backwards from what we'd discuss at Andrews. Another thing that this article impressed upon me is that one of my facebook pages are "Ex and Current Seventh-day Adventists" which is full of ex-Adventists (seems to be from mostly Australia) and among the ex-Adventists that I encounter there (as well as other places) are very narrow and ridged people who don't seem to have the theological ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. They are overly focused on things that in a superficial reading appear to be misapplications of the Bible by Mrs. White. Now prophets rarely do exegesis. Mrs. White kept telling us that is our job. She would tend to either draw analogies, or use the phrases from scripture because they had a nice sound to it when making a point. They are constantly trying to make her do exegesis and using concrete thinking when reading her words and are frustrated because it's not exegesis therefore she is a false prophet. But I can't help to think that it is the same type of narrowness and rigidly that we appeal to in our evangelistic meetings and that we set up these people to come in and then leave and become these vocal ex-Adventists. You've heard the phrase "Don't throw out the Baby with the bathwater" Too many of these people throw out the baby and cherish and cuddle with the bathwater. They describe themselves as narrow minded Adventists who liked to use Ellen White quotes to attack others,, now they have progressed to narrow minded evangelicals who like to use Paul to attack Adventists. And sadly the few Adventists I see there tend not to last long, tend to be from third world countries and tend to try to prove them wrong or try to come out with a stronger quote but still approaching Adventism with the same mindset as these ex--Adventists are using. I've long wondered how our basic evangelic meetings have been causing this problem. I'm glad to see that this article shows that I'm not the only one who is disturbed by this.
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    The Wanderer

    SDA Racism

    OK Two things for starters. What is it that this guy (Branson) did specifically? Is this article just talking about that letter that Branson sent out as the "action" that he took? This story is sounding lop-sided already. Two. I was surprised when the article ended. It seemed way too short, and I was expecting it to continue more, perhaps on a page two or something. I am trying to figure out what the main point of said article even was? If its just to say that the head of The Buffalo Club sent out an important letter to everyone; I would hardly call that "action." Am I making sense to anyone; or do I just have a bee in my bonnet?
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    8thdaypriest

    When will we walk on the ashes of the wicked?

    The saints returning to "the land" from the Father's House would "tred on" the old ashes left from the big Gog/Magog Battle, and those left when "the earth and all her works" were "burned up". Remember: Ashes from your fire pile make great fertilizer for your garden. We use them this way quite frequently.
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    8thdaypriest

    When will we walk on the ashes of the wicked?

    I have not been SDA since 1998. I do personally hold many beliefs in common with SDAs, but I have also come to hold several beliefs which do not harmonize with SDA teachings. I believe the redeemed - grafted into Christ Jesus - constitute the "Israel" for whom eternal blessings are prophesied. I believe the redeemed in Christ are added to "Israel" and those who reject Jesus as LORD are "cut off" from Israel. That is a little different from simply replacing physical DNA Israel with "spiritual" Israel. Israel swells and contracts because citizens are added to and lost from her numbers. The ceremonies commanded for the Ancient Tabernacle and it's priests were acted prophecy. Aaron and his sons and all future priests were commanded to spend 7 days within the Tabernacle as part of their consecration to the priesthood. I believe this prophecy will be fulfilled, when the redeemed - rescued off this earth - spend the 7th millennium in "the Father's House" in preparation for their role as "priests of God and of Christ". The ancient priests of the Tabernacle did not begin to serve until "the 8th day", and the future priests will not begin their ministry until the 8th millennium. It is interesting that Nadab and Abihu died on the very day - the 8th day - that they began their priesthood. And Satan also, will be cast into the Lake of Fire at the 8th millennium, during the Gog/Magog Battle. They will spend at least half, if not all of the 1000 years (during which Satan is imprisoned in "the pit") in the "Father's House", preparing to serve as "priests of God and of Christ" . They will return to "the land" most probably at the half way point of the 1000 years . That will be the Jubilee, when every man returns to his inheritance. They will then begin to repair, rebuild, restore, plant vineyards, build houses, etc. etc. At the start of the 8th millennium (the 8th day) there will be a great resurrection, the greatest ever seen, of those who lived and died in ignorance. The redeemed priests will then serve to govern and teach these people. This is where Zechariah 14 fits in, and Isaiah 2:1-4, and Micah 4:1-4, etc. The "nations" are invited to come up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. The "family of Egypt" (a name for the mixed multitude in the first Exodus) refuses to come up. They are shunning the LORD, and resisting His Spirit (symbolized by "no rain"). The rebellious gather together under a leader "Gog of Magog". They prepare for war against Christ as King. And we know how that battle ends. This is my belief concerning the Gog/Magog Battle which will take place AFTER the 1000 years. I do believe that a Gog/Magog TYPE Battle will take place in the last days - BEFORE the return of Christ in glory. Satan will be the director of that battle. He will orchestrate this battle. He has been planning it for many, many years. This battle will fulfill the prophecies. This battle will be a masterpiece of deception - to bring the nations (not just Israel) to serve him. First: "Israel" had to "return to the land". (The Jews who "returned" did NOT believe in Christ Jesus, and a goodly percentage did not even believe in God. They were Communists from Russia. ) Second: The "nations" around Israel had to be stirred to great hatred. He has certainly accomplished this. Third: Russia had to become an ally. Check. He has accomplished this. Fourth: Something will spark an all out war. Fifth: Fire will come down from "Heaven" to destroy the attackers. The "Lord" will save Israel. Sixth: This "Lord" will speak through an "image" set up in the Temple. He will demand worship (under the guise of world peace) from Israel, and then from "every nation kindred tongue and people". Jerusalem will be given to "the nations". Seventh: He will decree death to those who refuse this worship. His BEAST organization will persecute the people of God, (the two witnesses) who are trying to warn the people that this is NOT of God. Eighth: Three and a half days after He executes/kills the last witnesses for the truth, Jesus Christ will return in glory, to resurrect and rescue his saints, and to execute judgment upon the (knowingly) wicked, and those who persecuted His saints. There. That is my belief concerning the Gog/Magog type battle, which will take place BEFORE the return of Christ in glory. Many of the deceived will call it The Battle of Armageddon. It will be a battle for "the Mount". True. But the true Armageddon will be a battle between Satan's forces and Christ's forces for dominion over this earth. I hope I explained that well enough. I wrote a book about it. It is available to read on the prophecyviewpoint.com website. The book is titled "The 8th Day".
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    Kyran

    SDA Racism

    Oh noes, we're not embracing babelism fast enough!
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    D_Bishop

    What makes God real to you?

    I had gotten out of the military & I was living in Houston. I was living in a small three room house behind my grandparents. There was a big recession, I couldn't find a job. So I worked as a day laborer. I also joined church for the first time, the sda church. I would take the day off from time to time and ride the bus down to the state employment office. They would have job listings, or day labor assignments, but you had to get there early. If you showed up at 9 or 10am all the job listings for that day were gone. I would go back to working as a day laborer at the labor pool the next day. I developed a habit of sleeping with a pillow and or the covers pulled over my head. As if that would protect. me. I didn't believe in ghosts, but I knew angels and demons were real. My uncle, who introduced me and others to adventist doctrine, would tell me these stories about the unfore seen world of angels. He was a bit too zealous in telling these stories cause he would scare the heck out of me. That's why I pulled the cover over my head. I was a grown man in my 20s. I'm in my 60s now and I still sleep that way. One day I decided to sleep in. I had been working and searching for a month or so. I was sort of fed up with the process. It was still early, about 7am or so. It was too late to go to the employment office. You had to get there early. So I laid my head down sideways on my pillow and went to sleep. Suddenly this spirit being penetrated by mind, my brain. He did so in a manner that would not frighten me. I feel certain it was my guardian angel. The angel told me in an inaudible way, to get up and go to the employment office. I knew this was a message from God. So I got up and went. When I got there it was about 11am or so, much too late to get a good job assignment. The employment counselor told me about a job working as a courier for this successful real estate corporation. Job duties would include processing and delivering mail interoffice. Making bank deposits. Stock work, etc. He had already sent 80 to 100 people to interview for this job. I went to the company and interviewed with them. They told me they had talked to one hundred or so prospects. Of all those prosects I got the job. Before this I used to occasionally entertain thoughts that this whole God and religion stuff could possibly be not true. After that experience with the angel telling me to go look for that job that morning i knew for sure that it is all true. I'm convinced there is a God and a devil. There are angels. Heaven is real. The bible is true.
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    phkrause

    What is Hanukkah about?

    Three Lights: Hanukkah, Shabbat and Havdallah Understanding Judaism’s requirement to generate light on three different occasions. http://www.aish.com/h/c/t/dt/Three-Lights-Hanukkah-Shabbat-and-Havdallah.html?s=mm
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