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  1. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    What do the Bible texts used to condemn homosexuality actually mean?

    Earlier Bravus posted a link kto a copy of an article that he co-authored. That link charges $43.00 to access. The following link provides free access to that article. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7f15/5b3b8a3830246d4e9f39911a93116f818478.pdf
  2. 3 points
    phkrause

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    I don't believe the word "drag" in the song has anything to do with the drag your thinking of?? One of my favorite's also. What I really like about there music was that jazz saxophone that they played!!
  3. 3 points
    pierrepaul

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    Nor do I; which is why I am conflicted on the issue. Fortunately, I am not charged with drawing any lines. That is for Him to decide. As President Obama famously quipped on a different issue during the Saddleback Chuch "debate" back in 2008, this question is above my pay-grade. As I get older I realize that I don't need to have the answers to everything. This is one issue for which I'm comfortable not knowing the answer.
  4. 3 points
    JoeMo

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    What a blast from the past! I actually saw the Dave Clark 5 live back in 1966. They were one of my favorite bands; and their song "Glad All Over " was one of my favorite songs back in the stone age of British Rock and before the 'Stoned Age".
  5. 3 points
    B/W Photodude

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    The line from the post was from a Dave Clark 5 song of the 60s! Checked out the words and was a bit amused to see the word "drag" in it. How weird in this discussion. OK, OK, small minds amused by small things! The Dave Clark Five - Over And Over I said over and over and over again This dance is gonna be a drag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ji1MMXoAVk
  6. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    In SDA congregations today establish a Sabbath School class based upon a group of people that want to get together as a group in group study and not upon isolating that group from the rest of the congregation. In my experience with such, sometimes the class has been established on the basis of a person who wanted to be the leader in a class, and intended to enlist people to attend. In such cases, I have seen such classes fail due to the fact that there a group of people did not exist who wanted such a class. However, which such a group existed, I have seen that class work out well.
  7. 3 points
    Gregory Matthews

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    FYI, there are many SDA congregations in the U.S. that allow any group that wants to have a Sabbath School Class, to have such. In that process, that class is typically allowed to study whatever they want to study, which often is not the official lesson. I do not believe that we should think that the LSU class is dedicated to promoting the idea that the practice of homosexuality is acceptable in Christian life. Rather, it is probably simply a class where people who deal with the issue of homosexuality may associate in a Bible study environment. NOTE: I wonder how many people commenting in this thread have actually attended that class? Yes, I have not.
  8. 3 points
    The Wanderer

    Thank you Friends

    IF we had listened to the doctor last year, my wife would not be here for my birthday today! We are so grateful for another birthday celebration, and looking forward to our June 3rd wedding anniversary. Here is a short video of something that makes us smile. I hope it is contagious! Our's is THE God of miracles, everyday! The love & support of friends on this forum over this difficult year is so appreciated.
  9. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    What do the Bible texts used to condemn homosexuality actually mean?

    Rather convenient to exclude the main story that actually recorded the behavior of men toward men (angels who appeared as men) and their eventual destruction. This story did become a frequently used example of wicked men all through out the Bible and their behavior was also discussed as an example in the Bible. I suspicion we can twist into all kinds of shapes to prove a certain text did or didn't say something, but I also tend to think that is how the world and the church will become like Sodom and Gomorrah. Reminds me of a book by Robert Bork that he called "Slouching Towards Gomorrah."
  10. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    I do not want to side-track this discussion began by Bavus. I consider it to be of value and I am delighted that he has begun it. But, I will make a couple of comments, that that may not be related to each other. The SDA denomination has published on this issue,, for informational purposes, I will cite a couple of those publications. Ronald M. Springett, Homosexuality in History and the Scriptures, was probably the first major publication. It was authored by a conservative professor in the Religion Department of Southern. From this perspective it can not be considered to be a liberal publication. It was first published about 1980 (I have not checked.) and was 164 pages in length. Its 1999 edition was 183 pages in length. It was groundbreaking in part due to the fact that Springett argued that several of the Biblical verses commonly used against homosexuality were improperly used. To be clear, he supported the common usage of other Biblical verses. I will say that this is important. If someone argues that a specific verse should not be used as it has been used in the past, that does not mean that one is taking an overall position on homosexuality. In addition, I believe that this book is of value in that it alerted me to the fact that the meaning of the word “homosexual” is defined differently by people who use the word. This is important in that sometimes in our conversations we simply are talking over the head of the other and the communication is not based upon a common understanding. In 2012 Andrews University published a the 578 page book: Homosexuality, Marriage, and the Church: Biblical, Counseling and Religious Liberty Issues. It has about 17 different authors. While I do not consider everything to be of value, It has much of value. This includes how we treat people and that homosexuals are God’s children and loved by God. It addresses a large number of issues. As a personal statement: I do not believe that homosexuality is a choice. I did not chose to be a heterosexual. I do not believe that one choses to be a homosexual. I am firmly committed to this position. In my understanding, homosexuality is not defined by activity. Rather, it is defined by gender preference. So in my understanding, a celibate homosexual remains a homosexual. Now back to looking at the Biblical verses.
  11. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    Yes, all struggle with sin, (My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: – 1 John 2:1). That is the struggle that one seeking to follow God goes through. But some things should be put away before membership occurs. But that is not what I brought up. It is the church endorsing and calling evil good which is my concern. Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! – Isaiah 5:20 I am finding thru the Testimonies how intricately sin winds itself into the character of one struggling to be free of it. I am also finding thru Old Testament studies just how fast and easily Israel slid into wickedness seemingly sooner that the previous righteous judge or king could cool off in his grave and the parallels between the backsliddings of Israel and the church today to be astonishing. There is a huge difference between one trying to be free of sin and failing on one hand and people being led into sin on the other by leaders of the church. And you cannot justify one sin with another sin on the part of someone else.
  12. 2 points
    Gustave

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    It’s all good Bravus and you’re right about my assumption that the reason was for hooking up. I admit that’s not the sole purpose of everyone there and I retract that statement.
  13. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    Some of you may know the name David Larson as one of the ones who support accepting of SDAKinship and their ideas. https://www.sdakinship.org/120-about/faqs/frequently-asked-questions-en/837-what-does-the-bible-say I was in one of his classes ~40 years ago at Loma Linda and even then, this topic took up a significant part of class time. And we had to write papers. I recently came across my paper I had written and my conclusion in that paper was pretty much what I wrote in the above quote.
  14. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    Oh, I know that "drag" didn't mean anything relative to the thread. Just a funny coincidence! I have just found language and use of words to be a lot more interesting in the last couple of years than they did for much of my life.
  15. 2 points
    JoeMo

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    Everyone sins; but some people are very good at hiding the more socially unacceptable ones. The "socially acceptable" sins (like little white lies, gossip given as a false expression of concern, telling a homeless guy to get a job instead of helping him out a little) are so commonly practiced that neither the sinner nor many of the witnesses to the sin realize that sin is occurring. Secret sin or public sin, God always sees.
  16. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    Sunday: The 7th Day :)

    good points! IMO we will never worship "correctly" this side of heaven
  17. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Sunday: The 7th Day :)

    This may be a bit of a rabbit trail; but I spent some time researching just what Sabbath is all about after considering some of Gustave's comments. Since becoming an SDA, I thought (and still think) it was all about worship. Yet, when looking at every verse in scripture talking about Sabbath, there was only one verse that associated it with worship: "On the Sabbaths and New Moons the people of the land are to worship in the presence of the Lord at the entrance of that gateway." (Ezek. 46:3) This appears to be a future requirement; not a present one. All the other verses seem to focus on the "do not work" requirement. Almost all recorded breaches of Sabbath recorded have to do with people working on Sabbath, not their failing to worship. I'm not questioning the validity of Sabbath worship; nor will I consider Sunday the Sabbath - ever.
  18. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    "stone age" is about right as that was more than 50 years ago. In the early 2000s, I was in line to see John Mayall (John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers). I heard someone near me in line say, "Boy am I glad to get to see John Mayall before he dies!" Time passes by. Hard to imagine Mick Jagger is 76. Bill Wyman passed his 80th several years ago. Keith Richards looks like "death warmed over" sometimes. Someone said that "for every cigarette you smoke, Keith Richards gets 20 more minutes of life!" Good times!
  19. 2 points
    JoeMo

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    I agree. I belong to a small group of people over 60 years old. It's not that we want to isolate ourselves from other small groups; it's because as old people, we have different worldviews and concerns than younger people who are still "immortal". Young people would be welcome to join our group, but I doubt they would stay long. They would probably get tired of listening to us talk and pray about our maladies and our kids and grandkids. As far as LGBTQ+ people, I find most of them to show more love and concern for others than the general population. Outside of their sexual orientation, I find them to be a great group to hang out with. I have several friends and acquaintances who are gay (and/or that I suspect to be gay) including some Christian friends; and not one of them has ever hit on me. They respect my affirmed heterosexuality and don't "judge" me for it. The least I can do is return the favor. I can love and respect them without affirming or celebrating their gayness. I can accept them without condoning their behavior. I don't feel like any less of a man because I'm comfortable around gay people. That being said, I would probably never go to a gay bar or a gay club; or preside over a gay marriage.
  20. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    Gustave, I hae seen Sabbath School classes for people of cultural and racial groups. Such people as immigrants may have unique adjustments to make living in our society. In addition, their cultural/racial background may he given the some variations in the nature of "Church" to include Sabbath School classes. It is O.K. for them to meet together in a common study and worship.
  21. 2 points
    B/W Photodude

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    OK, here is a clue! Look at the name of the SS - Kinship Sabbath School. Couldn't be that they have anything to sdakinship? You can go to their website < sdakinship.org > and see if you can find anything that suggests that they do not "affirm" homosexuality. In fact, you will find that they make a great effort to twist the Scriptures to make it appear that it is acceptable. They also try to make it appear that Ellen White was accepting of it or at least did not disapprove. There is nothing there to suggest that if you are SSA you should remain celibate. In fact, just the opposite. They even have a section for bisexuals. Now, consider if you are attracted to both sexes, then to accomplish that you have to be having multiple partners which suggests fornication. So, thank-you , but I will stick by my earlier opinion that this "sabbath school" is all about trying to support same sex attraction and behavior in the Seventh-day Adventist church. And I also still see the connection between the WO and the LGBT+ issues.
  22. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    I am reminded of the reactions of abject horror when I was once working at an AIDS Hospice, and I "had the nerve" to hug one of the guys lying in his bed, breathing His last breath. Its the same thing for Sabbath School class, we call one who we like, or who like us or who agree with us, "brother" or "sister" but ones not "oriented" the same as us...some of whom may be on their last, spiritual breath, we ruin their last chance because we wont give them the chance that Jesus would. We SHOULD BE recognizing/affirming each member of the sabbath school class as a human being, like us, who has worth, value, and needs that we can affirm, without agreeing with their pet sin. Why do we find ourselves so often saying that our sin is better than their's?
  23. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    well, when we stop and think through some of these kinds of common saying we all think are "OK," it becomes quite a different matter. In another topic I started on the forum "This Commandment Have I Received" Posted Friday at 11:22 PM I pointed out how we as christians seem so pleased with ourselves because we 'come to the cross," and yes, when we look at the cross, we do see Jesus. BUT what happens, when we, like Jesus did when He hung on the cross, turn ourselves around and look at what Jesus saw as He hung there dying for all the ones we condemn? We see all the people that we wont let into our church, for fear of "affirming" them, as did Jesus anyway! In the sabbath school class setting, the way I did it with people when I was a teacher, was to make an effort to give them the same responses and mannerisms I would give the Pastor, when he sat in the class a couple of times. When we are speaking to any other person, in our witness for Christ, it will become apparent by attitude, posture, and deference, that we hold them as did Jesus, in esteem. Those who . . . rely upon Christ will be enabled to act wisely at all times 5T-43
  24. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    there is nothing in this link that proves "homosexuality" is being "affirmed." It does appear that PEOPLE are being affirmed. And that is a big difference. I would need more info before I could come close to the same conclusion as you appear to be broaching here.
  25. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    I agree! Thats my whole point! Why do we pride ourselves, (pun intended) for singling out "other sins" but not our own?
  26. 2 points
    JoeMo

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    In Romans 1:28-32, Paul lists 20 other sins besides homosexuality that will keep one out of the Kingdom. I would venture to say that most (if not all) of us have had problems with one or more sins on this list. If everyone who had willfully committed any of these sins were excluded from fellowship, our churches would be pretty empty. "Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." So let's not put all of our focus on LGBTQ+.
  27. 2 points
    JoeMo

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    I actually have no problem with this. LGBTQ+ people need Jesus as well. There are many gays who consider themselves Christians; and who have suffered great discrimination from straight people and much personal shame for their "deviate" behavior. If a gay person can't turn to Jesus for help, who can they turn to? Every church has a SS class and worship service for liars, lusters, and gossips. Many in this demographic are even elders and pastors. I would even venture to say a majority of Christians fit into this category. Who can they turn to but Jesus for forgiveness? I would propose that it is easier for people to stop these sins than it is for a truly gay person to become straight. I'm not implying that gays should be pastors, elders, or Conference Presidents; or that our churches should sanction gay marriage. But we should welcome anyone seeking a relationship with Christ; and let the HS do the rest.
  28. 2 points
    JoeMo

    important for men and women

    Scrambled tofu over toast remains one of my favorite breakfasts - especially when smothered with chopped green chile! We also make an amazing tofu cheese cake. In addition (for you meat lovers out there), frozen and defrosted tofu takes on a very chewy texture, and makes a great meat substitute in stir fry, pasta, soups and stews. Like all things, tofu and other soy products must be eaten in moderation. As far as aluminum in antiperspirants goes, I won't use an antiperspirant. They all irritate my pits. I use a deodorant called Native.
  29. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    Well, I would disagree with that. I suppose it does happen, but if so, it doesnt mean thats the way it would be in every, or even in most cases. My point here is that from my current understanding of the way our church teaches on the general subject of how to conduct our "sabbath school classes" we should be doing things in a way that does reach out to specific groups and cultures. If someone has the heart and the aptitude to work with a certain group, what would be a biblical reason for refusing to minister to that group? All that does is to set the stage for stigma, disparagement, etc. I think we could all agree that Jesus made a special point of ministering to such, even ate with them. In fact, Jesus preferred their company, as evidenced by who He spent time with and why. I am reminded of the time when I was once observed just talking to an "outlaw" group who had assembled in the parking lot of one of our churches. I was immediately accused of "being one of them;" and it took many months for me to convince them that I wasnt. I was just asking them if they wanted to join our Sabbath school class that morning. How on earth do we stigmatize a people group, plus "minister" to them in the same breath? Why dont we do the same for liars and adulterers?
  30. 2 points
    Bravus

    The Plague of Radical Feminism

    If that's the case, perhaps I'm misunderstanding why they were raised in the first place. What point is being made by saying that there are fewer women than men in war graves? How is that point relevant to the concerns raised in the OP and the topic of this thread? Genuine questions in a quest to understand.
  31. 2 points
    Bravus

    The Plague of Radical Feminism

    The OP is one case in point. For example, men who enlist in the 'honorable cause of providing rights for women' are described as beta males and white knights. Every online discussion I've ever had with MRAs is another. They start out with the reasonable position provided above as a definition, but within a very few rounds of the conversation the hate comes out. We're all human together, with equal human rights. Our society - as have almost all human societies in history - has a systematic bias against women (and against ethnic and religious minorities, people with non-majority sexual orientation and gender, and so on). Feminism is simply applied humanism: work to disassemble systematic inequality. The backlash from those who have historically benefited from systematic inequality and experience losing that unfair benefit as oppression is disappointing but not surprising.
  32. 2 points
    debbym

    One Liners

    i believe this is because He is the provision that has been made, and with God all things are possible.
  33. 2 points
    dgrimm60

    Thank you Friends

    THE WANDERER the video about the squirrel was cute==== I also want to send blessing to you and you wife dgrimm60
  34. 2 points
    phkrause

    God Gave Laws That Weren't Good?

    Also Ron, in the CJB, it translates like this: .I also gave them laws which did them no good and rulings by which they did not live; We need to read before and after, it puts it in better context also!!
  35. 2 points
    phkrause

    Thank you Friends

    Praise the Lord!! Blessings to you and the wife for another year!!
  36. 2 points
    Ron Amnsn

    God Gave Laws That Weren't Good?

    The idea that God would give the Israelites bad laws would be rather disturbing. But I don't think that is what is being said in Ezekiel 20:25. The NKJV translates that verse as "Therefore I also gave them up to statutes that were not good" and the NIV translates it as "I also gave them over to statutes that were not good," which matches the context of a people that continued to choose to not follow God's laws. Ezekiel lived during the Babylonian captivity, through which God subjected the Israelites to the laws of the Babylonians. And before that the evil kings of Israel had subjected the Israelites to statutes and customs that were not good. But even if the NKJV and NIV missed the meaning of the passage, and Ezekiel actually intended to write that God himself authored bad laws and gave them to Israel to obey, we wouldn't find those "bad laws" in the Books of Moses because the Books of Moses contain God's good laws by which a person shall live-- the laws that Ezekiel 20 says the Israelites had disobeyed and rejected. A few verses earlier in Ezekiel 20 God had specifically distinguished between God own laws and man-made laws: 18 “And I said to their children in the wilderness, ‘Do not walk in the statutes of your fathers, nor keep their rules, nor defile yourselves with their idols. 19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and be careful to obey my rules, 20 and keep my Sabbaths holy that they may be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.’ 21 But the children rebelled against me. They did not walk in my statutes and were not careful to obey my rules, by which, if a person does them, he shall live; they profaned my Sabbaths. Verses 26-32, immediately following verse 25, give examples of the kind of "other statutes that were not good" -- customs regarding idol worship. The Old Testament does not teach a religion whereby the Israelites were supposed to please God by their own efforts. The Israelites did not even receive the written law until after they had already been redeemed (from Egypt). God's grace and the atoning sacrifice of Messiah are embedded within the religion that God gave to the Israelites through Moses, which also provides regular opportunities for God's people to rely solely on God and his mercy. In Acts 15:10-11 Peter speaks of the man-made laws and Jewish customs as the "yoke" that is unbearable. That can be shown from the full context of Acts 15.
  37. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    SDAs & Military Service

    The following is a report from Adventist today on SDA military service: https://atoday.org/adventist-leaders-discuss-military-service-non-combatants-conscientious-objectors/
  38. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    This Commandment Have I Received

    As I mentioned, in introducing this topic, I had an experience where I walked to the foot of the cross, up the winding path, and this is what I saw when I looked up. I tried for a moment, to imagine what it must have been like for Jesus, when He hung on that middle cross. I couldn't picture it, and then suddenly, a new thought hit me that I had never had before. I thought to myself, how very satisfied we Christians tend to feel about ourselves when we "look to the cross," and indeed, when we look to the cross, we see Jesus. So far, so good. Right? And then I knew why I was in tears. When Jesus was on the cross, He only saw us. I turned around from looking up, and as I stood there looking at the great expanse of the set that was being constructed for this annual play and I imagined all the expanse of people over all the ages, that Jesus must have seen on the providential day. He hung there dying; and He only saw us. There is no more time to sit around and whining about others in the church, or about "the beast," (which is usually just us), there are far too many opportunities wasted in silver-tongued words, and mealy-mouthed videos of division, when we could just turn around; and see what Jesus saw, as He hung on the cross. Going to the foot of the cross means turning around, and seeing what Jesus saw. THAT is "the third angel's message," IN VERITY. Happy Sabbath, to all.
  39. 2 points
    JoeMo

    Assange - Freedom Fighter or Cyber Terrorist?

    Julian Assange - the face of Wikileaks - was arrested today in Great Britain. He looked horrible. His arrest started a fierce bipartisan fight over whether he was fighting for truth and free speech or was a traitor for exposing sensitive intelligence info. Even people within the Trump administration can't agree. I feel strongly both ways. Some of the stuff he and Snowden exposed is an outrageous violation of American privacy rights. Yet, they did break the letter of the law concerning dissemination of secret info. What do you think?
  40. 2 points
    james423

    Lesson 3 - Preparing for Change

    Overall Question: Change will come. How can we prepare for it? Memory Text: Psalm 85:13 Contemporary English Version Justice will march in front, making a path for you to follow. Sunday – Unprepared 1 Corinthians 10:1-13 God’s Word Translation I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that all our ancestors who left Egypt were under the cloud, and they all went through the sea. 2 They were all united with Moses by baptism in the cloud and in the sea. 3 All of them ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all of them drank the same spiritual drink. They drank from the spiritual rock that went with them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Yet, God was not pleased with most of them, so their dead bodies were scattered over the desert. 6 These things have become examples for us so that we won’t desire what is evil, as they did. 7 So don’t worship false gods as some of them did, as Scripture says, “The people sat down to a feast which turned into an orgy.” 8 We shouldn’t sin sexually as some of them did. Twenty-three thousand of them died on one day. 9 We shouldn’t put the Lord to the test as some of them did. They were killed by snakes. 10 Don’t complain as some of them did. The angel of death destroyed them. 11 These things happened to make them an example for others. These things were written down as a warning for us who are living in the closing days of history. 12 So, people who think they are standing firmly should be careful that they don’t fall. 13 There isn’t any temptation that you have experienced which is unusual for humans. God, who faithfully keeps his promises, will not allow you to be tempted beyond your power to resist. But when you are tempted, he will also give you the ability to endure the temptation as your way of escape. Acts 5:1-10 New Living Translation But there was a certain man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. 2 He brought part of the money to the apostles, claiming it was the full amount. With his wife’s consent, he kept the rest. 3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, why have you let Satan fill your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. 4 The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was also yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God!” 5 As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. 6 Then some young men got up, wrapped him in a sheet, and took him out and buried him. 7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?” “Yes,” she replied, “that was the price.” 9 And Peter said, “How could the two of you even think of conspiring to test the Spirit of the Lord like this? The young men who buried your husband are just outside the door, and they will carry you out, too.” 10 Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Genesis 16:1-2 Holman Christian Standard Bible Abram’s wife Sarai had not borne him children. She owned an Egyptian slave named Hagar. 2 Sarai said to Abraham, “Since the Lord has prevented me from bearing children, go to my slave; perhaps I can have children by her. And Abram agreed to what Sarai said. Genesis 16:5-6 New Century Version 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, “This is your fault. I gave my slave girl to you, and when she became pregnant, she began to treat me badly. Let the Lord decide who is right—you or me.” 6 But Abram said to Sarai, “You are Hagar’s mistress. Do anything you want to her.” Then Sarai was hard on Hagar, and Hagar ran away. Matthew 20:20-22 New English Translation 20 Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to him with her sons, and kneeling down she asked him for a favor. 21 He said to her, “What do you want?” She replied, “Permit these two sons of mine to sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your kingdom.” 22 Jesus answered, “You don’t know what you are asking! Are you able to drink the cup I am about to drink?” They said to him, “We are able.” Monday – Preparing for Marriage 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Good News Translation 4 Love is patient and kind; it is not jealous or conceited or proud; 5 love is not ill-mannered or selfish or irritable; love does not keep a record of wrongs; 6 love is not happy with evil, but is happy with the truth. 7 Love never gives up; and its faith, hope, and patience never fail. 8 Love is eternal. There are inspired messages, but they are temporary; there are gifts of speaking in strange tongues, but they will cease; there is knowledge, but it will pass. Galatians 5:22-23 Contemporary English Version 22 God’s Spirit makes us loving, happy, peaceful, patient, kind, good, faithful, 23 gentle, and self-controlled. There is no law against behaving in any of these ways. Characteristics of a Good Future Spouse Hard worker? Proverbs 24:30-34 Easy-to-Read Version 30 I walked past a field that belonged to a lazy man. It was a vineyard that belonged to someone who understood nothing. 31 Weeds were growing everywhere! Wild vines covered the ground, and the wall around the vineyard was broken and falling down. 32 I looked at this and thought about it. This is what I learned: 33 a little sleep, a little rest, folding your arms, and taking a nap— 34 these things will make you poor very quickly. Soon you will have nothing, as if a thief broke in and took everything away. Bad temper? Proverbs 22:24 Holman Christian Standard Bible Don’t make friends with an angry man, and don’t be a companion of a hot-tempered man. Common beliefs? 2 Corinthians 6:14-15 New International Reader’s Version 14 Do not be joined to unbelievers. What do right and wrong have in common? Can light and darkness be friends? 15 How can Christ and Satan agree? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? Family and friends’ attitude? Proverbs 11:14 Holman Christian Standard Bible Without guidance people fall, but with many counselors there is deliverance. Relying on faith or on feelings? Proverbs 3:5-6 New International Version 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; 6 in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight. Tuesday – Preparing for Parenting 1 Samuel 1:27 Holman Christian Standard Bible I prayed for this boy, and since the Lord gave me what I asked Him for. Judges 13:7 The Clear Word for Kids He told me that I would have a baby toy, and that I should not drink alcohol or eat unclean foods, because the baby will be special. Luke 1:6 Andrews Study Bible (NKJV) And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. Luke 1:13-17 The Clear Word for Kids 13-14 The angel said, “Don’t be afraid. Your prayers have been answered. You and your wife will have a baby boy. You to name him John. You both will be very happy because of him, and so will many others. 15-16 He will do a great work for God, but will live a simple life. He must not drink wine or alcohol. From birth he will be guided by the Holy Spirit, and he will bring many people to the Lord. 17 He will point them to thee Messiah and will preach with the spirit and power of Elijah. He will bring families back together. Parents will love their child, and child will love their parents. He will help them know what it means to be good and will point them to the Messiah. Luke 1:39-55 Modern English Version 39 In those days Mary arose and quickly went into the hill country, to a city of Judah, 40 and entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 She spoke out with a loud voice, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 Indeed, as soon as the sound of your greeting came to my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who believed, for there will be a completion to those things which were told her by the Lord.” 46 And Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior. 48 For He has regarded the low estate of His servant; surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed. 49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. 50 His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation. 51 He has shown strength with His arm; He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 52 He has pulled down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of low degree. 53 He has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich He has sent away empty. 54 He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy,55 as He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his descendants forever.” Luke 1:76-79 New Life Version 76 “And you, my son, will be the one who speaks for the Most High. For you will go before the Lord to make the way ready for Him. 77 You will tell His people how to be saved from the punishment of sin by being forgiven of their sins. 78 Because the heart of our God is full of loving-kindness for us, a light from heaven will shine on us. 79 It will give light to those who live in darkness and are under the shadow of death. It will lead our feet in the way of peace.” Wednesday – Preparing for Old Age Psalm 71 (in part) New International Version 1 In you, Lord, I have taken refuge; let me never be put to shame. 2 In your righteousness, rescue me and deliver me; turn your ear to me and save me. 3 Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress. 4 Deliver me, my God, from the hand of the wicked, from the grasp of those who are evil and cruel. 5 For you have been my hope, Sovereign Lord, my confidence since my youth. 6 From birth I have relied on you; you brought me forth from my mother’s womb. I will ever praise you. 7 I have become a sign to many; you are my strong refuge. 8 My mouth is filled with your praise, declaring your splendor all day long. 9 Do not cast me away when I am old; do not forsake me when my strength is gone. 10 For my enemies speak against me; those who wait to kill me conspire together. 11 They say, “God has forsaken him; pursue him and seize him, for no one will rescue him.” 12 Do not be far from me, my God; come quickly, God, to help me. 13 May my accusers perish in shame; may those who want to harm me be covered with scorn and disgrace. 14 As for me, I will always have hope; I will praise you more and more. 15 My mouth will tell of your righteous deeds, of your saving acts all day long— though I know not how to relate them all. 16 I will come and proclaim your mighty acts, Sovereign Lord; I will proclaim your righteous deeds, yours alone. 17 Since my youth, God, you have taught me, and to this day I declare your marvelous deeds. 18 Even when I am old and gray, do not forsake me, my God, till I declare your power to the next generation, your mighty acts to all who are to come. 19 Your righteousness, God, reaches to the heavens, you who have done great things. Who is like you, God? 20 Though you have made me see troubles, many and bitter, you will restore my life again; from the depths of the earth you will again bring me up.21 You will increase my honor and comfort me once more.22 I will praise you with the harp for your faithfulness, my God; I will sing praise to you with the lyre, Holy One of Israel. 23 My lips will shout for joy when I sing praise to you— I whom you have delivered. 24 My tongue will tell of your righteous acts all day long, for those who wanted to harm me have been put to shame and confusion. Thursday – Preparing for Death 1 Corinthians 15:24-26 Easy-to-Read Version 24 Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. Then he will give the kingdom to God the Father. 25 Christ must rule until God puts all enemies under his control. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed will be death. 1 Kings 2:1-4 The Clear Word for Kids As David grew weaker, he called for Solomon and said to Him, “I could die any day now. I want you to be a courageous king for the Lord. Do what God says. Keep His commandments, and He will bless and prosper you. He gave us His laws for our good. The Lord promised that if we obey Him, our royal house will never fail.
  41. 2 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Assange - Freedom Fighter or Cyber Terrorist?

    My understanding is this: * If he indeed was a journalist, it is highly unlikely that he could be convicted of the crime of publishing classified material. * There is reason to debate whether or not he was a journalist. * If returned to the U.S., it is possible that he will NOT be tried for a crime of publishing classified material. * However, it has been said that he helped Pvt. Manning to hack into a classified data base in order to obtain classified material (or material that was not classified) that was not available to Manning. If he did this, this is a crime for which he could be tried.
  42. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    Assange - Freedom Fighter or Cyber Terrorist?

    Obviously, I know very little, I just know that hacking and leaking is wrong, and in some cases dangerous. I guess I better not post what Pamela Andersen says about this. She definitely doesnt agree with me.
  43. 2 points
    phkrause

    Assange - Freedom Fighter or Cyber Terrorist?

    Its a tough issue! He's done a lot more than what they are charging him with, not sure why yet, we will have to see how this progresses. Unfortunately with all the criminals running around pretending to be for the right, not sure we will ever get the correct picture!!
  44. 2 points
    The Wanderer

    Assange - Freedom Fighter or Cyber Terrorist?

    I was reading about this earlier. IMO, from a Canadian perspective, both dudes not only broke the law, but endangered lives. I wouldnt be surprised to hear down the road of how many have already died as a result. IMO they MIGHT have had the right thing in mind; but really did it the wrong way. Same for "Chelsea Manning". Whats the matter with these people? There are better ways to accomplish what they say they were after.
  45. 1 point
    Gustave

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    That’s the line of reasoning I’m coming from is that in pretty much all religions there is a fair amount of “buy in” on what you can’t do. Lately it seems as if there has been a significant push to redefine some of the “you can’t do” into something other than sin simply because the person REALLY, honestly desires to do it. I’ve watched church after church mutate on the LGBT issue. 40 years ago your average Lutheran, Methodist or Episcopalian would have vapor-locked if you told them their church would eventually have gay clergy who openly and actively practice that lifestyle distributing Sacraments. It honestly seems to me that churches playing footsie with LGBT has done nothing to change the view of the gay person - it changes the view the church has. It’s been that way in schools, our government, secular society, etc. this for me has been like watching a snake slowly constrict and slowly swallow a prey item. i just don’t understand it.
  46. 1 point
    B/W Photodude

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    I see no reason to retract. It has generally been the unspoken reason for going to an SDA college to find a suitable Christian to marry. What better place for a Christian gay boy to find a Christian husband?! [TIC]
  47. 1 point
    B/W Photodude

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    Promoting a concept or enabling one to engage in a certain practice is no longer a private sin but a very public sin. So, the practice of promoting wrongdoing by an organization makes it even more public. Those doing so were blessed with the benediction that it would be "better to tie a rock around their necks and throw them into the sea."
  48. 1 point
    B/W Photodude

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    We are all born with unnatural "proclivities," ... It is being born into sin. I see nothing in Scripture that excuses one for engaging in "unnatural sexual proclivities" because they are sexual in nature. When and where will you draw the line and finally say this has just gone to far in being "born with unnatural sexual proclivities" and a certain activity is finally sin?
  49. 1 point
    stinsonmarri

    God Gave Laws That Weren't Good?

    This problem and laws came from the Babylonian exile. These laws were created from the sect called the Pharisees that YAHSHUA had to constantly contend with. After the destruction of the Temple, in later centuries many of the Pharisees return little by little. The Sadducees, the priests (YAHSHUA had to deal with as well, but not as much as the lawyers called the Pharisees.) were no longer needed and the Levites died out! That is why people today should not believe in those who called themselves Kohanim. They claimed their bloodline is from Aaron, which is not true historically and Biblically. When the Romans destroyed the Temple, it was the Hebrew nobles, priest, and Pharisees that were taken and placed into slavery. These are the ones that incited the people to revolt. Many Hebrews where they were disperse were forced to become Catholic or Muslim, very few kept their faith. The Pharisees was a sect and not related by blood and some escaped to Egypt before the war. Hadrian became emperor many of them slowly returned to Israel and Jerusalem and begin to formulate. They formed a new Rabbinical religion called Judaic that spread with many of the old teaching and doctrines that had already changed in Babylon before the time of the Maccabees. The problem was they had to deal with the Sadducees now the priest bloodline was gone and they could openly claim the Talmud and their practices. Those who were sent to Europe became associated with the German people around the Rhine River. Again, they became rich merchants but they remain cut off from the German people. More and more over the centuries, they would marry among themselves first, and later their youth would marry the Germans. Like the Catholic, the female German would adopt the belief and raise the children and now they were called Jews. These communes begin to spread all over Europe. It was totally different in Russia ever since the Babylonian, Greek, and Persian dominance many Hebrews did not return to Israel. The Hebrews were merchants and formed communes in Turkey and again married and intermingle with caucasian people of various tribes spreading to Crimea, Georgia and other countries eventually they migrated into Russia as well. This is when the Kingdom of Khazar joined into the belief. Understand that the belief of the Pharisees came out of the Babylonian captivity and this belief spread with the Pharisees everywhere. Only in Israel did it have difficulties because many of the priestly tribe returned to Israel. Once, the Levitical tribe disappeared and the other tribes intermarried and like the Bible stated that Japheth would dwell in the tents of Shem. This became a reality, also the curse upon the Hebrew happen as well. When Rome came on the scene the Hebrews were spread all over the world and they mixed Hellenization of the Greek in with their belief system. The Sadducees oppose Greece that is why the Maccabees wars became very important. They were the priest, but they also did not practice all the truth themselves, however they clash with the Pharisees. They only united together to killed YAHSHUA who was a thorn in both of their sides. Eventually, as Noah prophesied, the Ashkenazi, Gomer son became the dominant one and the Hebrews bloodline because of the curse became lost! They refused to walk in the Statutes and Commandments of YAHWEH and to present the truth to the children of Japheth and Shem seed became lost forever! Gen 9:27; Deut 28:15-68 Blessings!
  50. 1 point
    B/W Photodude

    The Plague of Radical Feminism

    MRA - Mens rights activist: Someone who believes that the honorable cause of providing rights for women has exceeded justice in several areas, with some laws now favoring women instead of being neutral.
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