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  1. 7 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Must be Baptized in the Name of Yahshua the Christ to Be saved.

    1) I wonder what you think about the thief who died on the cross along with Christ and whether or not that thief was saved. 2) To say that now we know the truth, comes across as arrogant.
  2. 6 points
    Gustave

    Christians Need To Stop Assuming LGBT Sin Matters More Than God’s Mercy

    LGBTQQAA, sin is simply the particular sin of those effected by those desires - at the end of the day God looks at those sexual sins no differently than sins within the heterosexual camp. The biggest issue we face as sinners is justifying that our OWN SIN ISN'T THAT BAD because WE THINK it's less of an offensive / damming sin than the other persons -which couldn't be further from the truth.
  3. 6 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Christ & Christmas

    if someone thinks Christmas (Christ's Mass) is pagan and refuses to celebrate the holiday for that reason, that's okay. But the truth is, most pagans (and I'm thinking of the witches and other neopagans, along with Druidic and Celtic factions, rather than centuries old-established non-christian religions) aren't particularly impressed with Christmas. The day has no relevance in their sacred calendar (and never has), contrary to what many Christian writers have tried to espouse. The Winter Solstice (Yule) was the important day... and it's *never* on Dec 25th. So many Christians get so worked up and fearful of "touching" anything that could possibly be conceived as "pagan" — and end up sounding the false alarm. Let's be thankful for a day when most of the Christian world remembers the Christ Child's birth, and stops for a bit to think good thoughts. But as I wrote first, if someone doesn't want to celebrate Christmas, fine. But don't steal the joy from others who truly get a blessing from the day...
  4. 6 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Downsides of Theological Discussions

    I thought EGW herself referred to her writings as the "lesser light".... not the "guiding light"
  5. 6 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Cental California Announcement

    For those of you who are interested, the following is a photo of myself, my sister and my wife.
  6. 5 points
    8thdaypriest

    Disposable

    We were created. God created us. He could just let us all die (or get rid of us). He could then create another creation. Right? That thought must have gone through the minds of all "created" beings. If HE created us, then HE can just get rid of us. We are disposable. The flood of Noah didn't help. It certainly appeared that God was disposing of humans who were a disappointment to HIM. How was God to let HIS creation know they are NOT DISPOSABLE. HE gave HIS Son - to suffer with them and then to die by torture. This was HIS "I love you" message. "I love you so much, I would die rather than loose you." You are NOT disposable.
  7. 5 points
    Gregory Matthews

    A Personal Anouncemenet

    I come before you today realizing that the time has come for me to make a definitive announcement of my plans as to whether or not I will enter the race for President of the United States. I acknowledge that this forum, Adventistan is the ideal venue in which to state my plans. With some 9,000 plus members it has clearly demonstrated that it has the ability to grow in size. Further, as I analyze its population, I sense that its members include both those followers of the current President, whom I will not name as well as those who are looking for someone new, which I am. As I consider my decision, I believe that I have the following qualification that would suggest that I run for President: · * The President needs to be decisive person who can make decision. I fit that mold. Less than 30 minutes has occurred between the time that I first considered it and the time at which I made my decision. · * My years of service in the military, to include service as an enlisted person who reached the rank of Specialist 4 and as a Commissioned Officer who achieved the rank of Major, and served in combat, demonstrates that I have better qualifications to deploy our military internationally than have other Presidents. · * My 20 years of employment with the VA gives me the background needed to understand how the government operates, how it should be reformed and to reform it. · * My formal training in Mediation qualified me to preside over a fractious government system. · * My years of service in representing employees of the Federal government in negotiations with management demonstrates that I can understand and provide for the needs of the common working person. · * Due to issues that I have with sleep, I consider that my ability to sleep during boring meetings as well as to rise early and get to work specially qualifies me for the positon over and above some who have served before me. · * I do not micromanage. I chose competent people and allow them to do their job. · * I will select persons to fill government positons from both Republications and Democrats that are representative of the U.S. population While the above are only a few of my qualification to run for President, I must say that I am lacking in some respects: · * With my advanced age, I am not longer head and shoulders above all of the others who have announced that they are running for President. I have shrunk in height from what I once was. · * I do not have the financial resources needed to purchase the office as some have had. · * I do not own a jet aircraft capable of flying me around the country in luxury. · * While I have represented people before a Federal Administrative Law Judge I have never been to law school. · * I do not want to spend the next two years traveling the country. I have visited all 50 of the States in the past and I do not need to repeat that. Well here you have it--my qualifications for and my lack of qualifications. The time has come to make a decision. I have made a decision and chosen to announce in on this preeminent forum: I will not run for President of the United States during the next election. This decision of firm. NOTE: I have announced my decisions based upon my belief that the multitude of Democrats who are expected to run for President (Presently 14, with more expected to join the race.) requires that I make a statement.
  8. 5 points
    Aliensanctuary

    A Personal Anouncemenet

    Dear Mr. Matthews, It's a great tragedy for America that you have declined to run for POTUS as a either a Republicator or Democritator. With your extensive experience in non-politics you would have been far more qualified than any community organizer or reality TV star. We believe it was the intent of the Founding Fathers of America that the presidency should not be bought by the wealthy, nor should it require riding horse back for thousands of miles just to make people think you care about them and their problems. Those of us dwelling in Adventistan sincerely hope that you reconsider running for POTUS, and if you do, know that we foresee you riding into glory and history on horseback as a great pioneer of non-campaigning and use of zero energy in order to save the world and America. Every single patriot and Green New Dealer has your back and a cartload of horse poop that can be used instead of fossil fuels to power America's future indefinitely. Sincerely, the Tater family, including Dick, Common, Frozen, Stuffed, Mashed, and Instant
  9. 5 points
    debbym

    A Former Schoolmate Appeals to Dan Jackson

    i don't follow Ted Wilson, I don't follow Dan Jackson. I let Christ be the one authority in the Church.This was a real problem for the religious authorities in his day. He was considered radical and a rebell, and fighting against the established righteous authority of His day. I pray today, I will be found standing In Jesus and Jesus alone. If i add human authority to the authority Jesus in my life i will stand in human strength and not in the strength of the Holy Spirit.
  10. 5 points
    Kevin H

    Christ & Christmas

    How did December 25 Become Christmas?: The tradition is that the pagans were keeping December 25 from Babylon and that Christians started to say that Jesus' birthday was December 25 starting in the fourth century AD after Constantine made Christianity a legal religion and it was good to take in the Pagans by taking their holiday and making it the birthday of Jesus. I was taught this, we find it in most books, articles , documentaries and sermons. This understanding came from scholars studying the best material available to them a few hundred years ago. However, there have been more discoveries made that those scholars did not have available. We need to update our information. The problem from the story we have all grown up with and have been taught is that there are some fairly new historical discoveries. I just learned about it for the first time in the journal "Bible Review" (it was a sister journal to Biblical Archaeology Review but now they are again just one journal) in either the year 2001, 2002 or 2003 in the November-December edition. Since then there have been a few articles in Biblical Archaeology Review that I've seen, and on some of the newer programs on the history channel referring to this and have been starting to hear it in sermons and a short article about it in either the Adventist Review or one of our other papers. So if you look up the December issues of Bible Reviews in the early 2000s and recent years of the Biblical Archaeology Review you can study this information for yourself. We now know that Christians were saying that December 25 was Jesus birthday starting in the third century, 100 years earlier than we thought. And it was done 100 years before Constantine, by people who wanted nothing to do with Paganism and who were hiding from Pagans in the Catacombs. Then what makes it more complicated was in the second century, 200 years prior to when Christians were supposed to have started to see December 25 as the birth of Jesus, the church has the feast of the Annunciation (where the Angel told Mary that she was going to be Jesus' mother) every year at Passover. The date of the feast was different each year originally depending on when Passover was. Then one year the church changed from the Jewish calendar to the Roman Calendar. That year Passover fell on March 25. The church started to celebrate the feast on March 25 every year thereafter. What is 9 months after March 25? These events were not related to wanting to appeal to the Pagans and the Pagan feasts. In fact some studies have suggested that the evidence is that while the pagans had different holidays that fell in approximately this time frame, that there was nothing special about December 25 until the fourth century and that the Pagans may have taken it from the Christians. But that has more room for debate. Anyway, the current evidence is that it came from taking over a Jewish tradition. During the intertestamental period the Rabbis were saying to expect good things at Passover. A number began teaching that it was Passover when Isaac was born. But others were teaching that it was Passover when the 3 men came to Abraham, two went on to Sodom and Gomorrah and the third, who turned out to be the Lord, told Abraham and Sarah that at the appointed time Sarah would give birth. Thus that Sarah got pregnant with Isaac at Passover and that he was born 9 months later. (Guess when that would place Isaac's birth?). Then they were also saying that it was on another Passover, the anniversary of either Isaac being conceived or the anniversary of his birth that Abraham took Isaac to sacrifice him but God provided the substitute. In the second century AD (200 years before Constantine) the church and synagogue split into two religions. This was a very sad time in the history of God’s people. Like a divorce people on both sides were hurt and would lash out to cause pain to people on the other side. Frankly I like the idea that we got this from the pagans better than the fact that it came from this sad time in history. One of the things the church was saying in it’s lashing out at the Jews was that Christians were better than Jews because Isaac was merely a type of Jesus while Jesus was the better antitype. Church leaders drew in the second century AD drew parallels that said that as the Angels and the Lord visited Sarah and Abraham that Passover day and announced Sarah's pregnancy and Sarah gave birth to Isaac 9 months later. So the angel visited Mary and the Lord entered Mary's womb on a Passover day and Jesus was born 9 months later. Thus with the feast of the Annunciation use to be first every Passover and then changed to March 25 and the events surrounding the church-synagogue split and the Jewish tradition on Passover and Isaac is indication that we got December 25 from the Jews and not the pagans. (Note: That year the rabbis and synagogues in Greece said that Passover was April 6, and they changed from celebrating the feast of the Annunciation every Passover to every April 6 and this affected on how some eastern churches celebrate Christmas on January 6). Now, we most likely have the wrong date, however we do have the correct event! And also this is the same season as Hanukkah that John connects to the raising of Lazarus, thus focusing on the importance of enjoying our loved ones and to have hope that when our loved ones die that death is only an interruption and that one day we can be reunited with our loved ones and never ever part again!
  11. 5 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Christ & Christmas

    In view of Stinsonmarri's post, I feel a need to clearly say that in no way did I intend to imply that she was a Jesuit hiding under my bed. As a matter of fact, I am confused as to how either she or any other person could think that I might have implied that she was a Jesuit. To set put this in context, for any who do not know: Jesuits are all male. There is no such thing as a Jesuit female. My understanding is that Stinsonmarri is a female. I would never imply otherwise. Further, I would never consider Stinsonmarri to have any desire to hide under my bed.
  12. 5 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Christ & Christmas

    If you all will excuse me for a bit, while I leave this forum. I think that I need to check to see if there is a Jesuit hiding under my bed. I think I heard some strange noises from that area, recently.
  13. 5 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Yet Another Prophecy Thread

    Stinsonmarri follows her own track, which we should all do, as long as we believe that the track we are following is the track tha the Holy Spirt is leading us. As I understand her, she does not believe that Ellen White was without error. I believe that she believes EGW to have some error. I believe that Stinsonmarri writes in a manner that can be confusing and that some people can misunderstand her. At other times she is quite clear as to what she is saying. But, I believe that it is possible to misunderstand her and what she is actually saying. I understood the passage that I quoted from her to be saying that God has a form, image and probably much more that we as humans have. On that basis, I responded to her. Perhaps I was wrong as to how I understood her? NOTE: I have major disagreements with some of what Stinsonmarri writes. This includes areas in which she comments on ancient languages, to include the Biblical languages. I am not saying that she is wrong in everything that she writes. But, I see her as writing with clarity in those areas and therefore do not often jump in and disagree with her.
  14. 5 points
    Gregory Matthews

    When will Iran attack our (US) fleet?

    Gates is not considered to represent Adventism, as generally understood. This section, of this forum has been established where HCH, and others, can present their views that are not considered to be within main-line Adventism. It is pushing the boundaries of this section to begin to advocate the views of another as this forum does not exist to promote other forums and views. Rather it is a place to engage in a civil discussion of one's own views. I acknowledge that it is allowed to cite another forum as a point of reference. I do that along with many others. This will continue to be allowed.
  15. 5 points
    Lone Ranger

    Reminder

    If you are soliciting responses, I would say that those who run this forum are the most level-headed and even-handed I have so far encountered on any forum. I have no issues with any actions on the part of the moderators/operators that I am aware of. Participation is entirely voluntary; if I do not like the way it is run it is my responsibility to stop participating here. It's that simple. Kodos. Good job. On a personal note, I easily loose interest in long posts, and get a bit cynical if I find a single user who dominates the forum. But that's just me.
  16. 5 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Apostolic Succession

    Yes, and it is quite probable that today Ellen White would not meet the standards of some to be and remain a member. E.G. She clearly taught, as I have quoted elsewhere, that she was not without error and that the Bible held authority over her writings. So, I guess that she could not be a member in some congregations based upon what you say.
  17. 5 points
    thx4mercy

    What About Forgiveness?

    I sure don't think so. If a child molester gets out of prison and claims he has changed, we can be kind to them and invite them to our home for dinner. But we would not leave them alone with children. That wouldn't even be kind to the x-molester. I think we need to use some wisdom and common sense.
  18. 5 points
    The Wanderer

    How Important Is Correct Doctrine to Salvation?

    The short form of what I will try to say in future posts is that in my opinion, NO doctrine is essential to salvation. No one doctrine is more important than the next; they are all important. There is no doctrine I know of in scripture that says IF you believe this you will be "saved." There is however, a Person who is essential for salvation. And its by knowing Him, we are "saved." (thats the short-form)
  19. 5 points
    JoeMo

    Must be Baptized in the Name of Yahshua the Christ to Be saved.

    Dear Disciple, It must be terrible to live in fear of condemnation! I say this with all sympathy for your position - your revelation is not my revelation. I do not feel condemned whatsoever - only loved. Does God "convict me of sin? Yes; but He never condemns me. I feel so sorry for people who feel condemned by God rather than cherished by Him. Do you love Yahweh and His Son Yahshua? Do you believe Yahshua is who He says He is and has done what He said He has done? Then you are His son! I view the concern over being baptized the right way the same way Paul viewed circumcision Romans 2:28: "A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God." Think about this, brother. You appear to be a true believer, fervent for your God and His values. Don't get hung up on a single issue condition for salvation. God is looking at your heart. Many who are not baptized (or baptized in the name of Yehshua) will be in the Kingdom. Unless you abandon your trust in a loving God to save you, you will be in His Kingdom.
  20. 5 points
    🤢 I watched the interview, the above words are just more Pope/RCC baiting. An opinion statement not based on facts or accuracy.
  21. 4 points
    JoeMo

    Sunday: The 7th Day :)

    If people have no problem with agreeing with the timing of the other six days of the week, shouldn't it be easy to decide which day is the seventh by process of elimination? Seems reasonable to me.
  22. 4 points
    JoeMo

    Sunday: The 7th Day :)

    But even in those countries, the so-called 6th day of the week (their Saturday) is called sabado (the sabbath) or "day7".
  23. 4 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Christians Need To Stop Assuming LGBT Sin Matters More Than God’s Mercy

    As many of you know, I spent 20 years working in a VA hospital as a chaplain. Many people were not certain as to how to address me. Some would ask. I would tell them that I was not hung up on titles, but if they wanted to call me Chaplain, that would be fine. Others would look back into their history and knowledge and venture a guess and call me either Father or Reverend. It always took that as an attempt on their part to be respectful and to acknowledge me as a member of the clergy. I never corrected them in any way. I simply took it for what they meant. NOTE: I was never called Mother. By the same token, as a matter of respect, I did use the common titles of Reverend and Father in my address to clergy who normally used those titles. I do not believe that any of them ever thought that I, as SDA clergy was attributing anything more to them than that of respectfully acknowledging them as clergy. And, my doing so served to build relationships. I believe that God expects us, as Adventists, to build relationships with people of other denominational backgrounds, to include other clergy. I am not going to call other clergy by a title that may cause them to think that I do consider them to be the clergy that they are. As to the title given to the Pope of Your Holiness: No Catholic who understands the Catholic faith would ever consider that title to indicate that the Pope is without sin. Catholic doctrine clearly teaches that the Pope is a sinful human being and the Pope must go to Confession the same as any other Catholic. The Catholic teaching of the meaning of the title Your Holiness is that the Pope his dedicated his life to that which is set apart as a follower of Christ and the religious life. IOW, the Pope has put apart the secular and it totally dedicated to the spiritual, even if as a human imperfect.
  24. 4 points
    phkrause

    Phoenix is Resurrected

    Here's a statement from a Jewish website about the Ark!! The only remnant of the Ark in Jewish life today is the Holy Ark in which Torah scrolls are kept in synagogues. These Arks often are decorated with copies of the Tablets, reminiscent of the contents of the actual Ark of ancient times. The Ark itself plays no role in Jewish life today. Nonetheless, it remains a potent symbol of the Jewish peoples' past, and of the messianic era many believe is waiting in the future.
  25. 4 points
    Thanks for that. In a way, it was a pleasant new thought for me.
  26. 4 points
    On a more serious note: I have been concerned with a McGospel that has been growing in Christianity. The idea that Salvation is saying the magic words about who Jesus is and to be able to give a history lesson about the cross, the focus on the forensic theory of the atonement, and the acceptance of the rapture and futurism, and finally confusing the Bible with the Republican party. This McGospel does away with the theology of the Sabbath, it minimizes the need for exegesis because they have arrived at salvation and thus have the assurance of salvation thus why dig deeper into the Bible, and it does not leave much room for God working among and having children in other religions. As for JoeMo's "whole world accepting the Sabbath (aka Three Angel's Message), the health message, and the mortality of the soul." Mrs. White writes about the difference between true and counterfeit revivals. What they both have in common is a great gathering into the churches but in the counterfeit the churches downplay their differences and unite on what they hold in common. In the true there is a change of heart and a desire to want to know more about God and the Bible and to be fair to their personal understanding of the truth. But instead of using their differences to look down upon each other, they respect where the other is and support their liberty of conscience and where they examine their understanding by what others say to be sure that they are not using their views to reject scripture. Thus the one is based on a sticky sweet emotionalism (falsely called "Love" ) where differences don't matter, and there is an attitude of "I have arrived" which is what I'm seeing in this McGospel. The other is based on unity in diversity, a thirst to know the Bible on a deeper and deeper level, listening to others and evaluating our understanding and offering them the benefit of the doubt and respecting their liberty of conscience. This is a reason why we don't call our ministers "Reverend" and why I am uncomfortable when I see a church who calls themselves "Full Gospel". the only place we have full gospel is in Jesus. Once we get to his disciples, let's say the 12 we have 12 different understandings of the gospel. With the rise of Fundamentalism we are blinded to the differences and contradictions in the Bible books, say the differences and contradictions between the most glairing books are Leviticus and Deuteronomy, and Mark and Luke. These differences and contradictions have messages we need to learn and teach us different aspects of God that we loose in not recognizing them.
  27. 4 points
    Kevin H

    Sunday: The 7th Day :)

    We find in Judaism that the feasts of the land would focus on when the feast fell in Juda-Israel. During the Babylonian exile Jews left in Jerusalem would send up smoke signals with a series of relay places to let the Jews in say Babylon know when it was time for the feasts. (and there was a group of people who would sometimes send up a smoke signal when they knew it was approaching the feast to try to get the Jews in Babylon to start to observe a day or two early). However the Sabbath traveled with the Jews. They would keep the Sabbath when the sun set in their area. Those in Babylon when the sun set in Babylon. Those in Juda-Israel when the sun set in Juda-Israel, those in Egypt when the sun set in Egypt, later with the setting in Greece and Rome, they would keep the Sabbath when the sun set there. As Jews traveled westward they would celebrate later from those who lived more east. The international dateline is on the one hand human made and arbitrary, yet you can see God's leading as it is in a good location about halfway between where the Jews settled heading west and east. The issue is in a limited area where there can be some debate. As long as there is a honest attempt to be fair to the Sabbath, no matter which side of the issue they take, God is not going to freak out.
  28. 4 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Satan, you are so ...

    yeppers... he lets *humans* do the most of his dirty work.
  29. 4 points
    Shane

    Engaged

    For those of you that do not know, Stan has a little hobby of matching couples together. I met Imelda (who I call Céline) online as a result of Stan inviting me to join Adventist Dating. Internet technology not only allows the two of us to visit each day but to study our Sabbath school lessons, cook, go shopping, sing, play guitar and even go on vacation together. Céline is often in my home via video chat on the Ipad which allows her to interact with my children, Alex and Shania. The same technology allows me to interact interact with her son, Gabriel, who loves playing basketball and is an avid fan. At the time of this announcement, we have been dating for eight months. We chatted online for one month before we officially started dating. I am on track to complete my master’s degree in family counseling in fall of 2020 but will not be changing careers. My work in counseling will be a part-time ministry. I have already been ordained by a non-denominational ministry so that I can work as a pastoral counselor and not have issues with the Texas Department of Health. Let me tell you a little about her. Imelda, or Céline, was raised in a Seventh-day Adventist home on a farm in the Philippines. There she played in rice fields and practiced martial arts with her brothers. She attended an Adventist elementary school and was in Pathfinders. She was ROTC captain in high school. She went to Central Philippines Adventist College (CPAC) where she earned a business degree. She speaks six languages, although not fluent in all of them (English, Tagalog, Visayan, Mandarin, Arabic and French). She is 42 years old and has an 18-year old son, Gabriel, now attending CPAC. She never married and has worked in Beirut, Lebanon as a caretaker for ten years to pay for Gabriel’s Christian education. She has also worked in Taiwan and Dubai. She enjoys playing volleyball and basketball. At age 39, she won the last beauty pageant she competed in. It was the third time she had won such a contest. I used to be very active here but when my first marriage started experiencing problems, my activity here dropped off. For those who were not here when I was or don't remember much about me, here is my brief bio. I was also raised in a Seventh-day Adventist home. My family moved throughout the United States often. I lived in eight different states by the time I was 18 years old (Nebraska, Utah, Iowa, Wisconsin, Texas, Colorado, Washington and Minnesota). I was a soldier for five years in the United States Army, serving a tour in Panama. Later I was a missionary in El Salvador, studied Spanish in Guadalajara, Mexico and graduated Minnesota State University, Mankato with a business degree. While in college, I ran a ministry on campus for three years. I moved back to Texas after college and have worked in commercial building construction since that time. I have custody of my two children, Alex and Shania (17 and 15) from a previous marriage that lasted 18 years. As mentioned above, I am currently a graduate student, studying online at the Adventist university in Mexico. I know many of my church friends are concerned for me. I have been married twice and the concern is that perhaps I should not marry again. I appreciate that. I was married to my first wife for 18 years. She had a mid-life crisis and left me for another man (who was and still is married to someone else). I tried to save the marriage but was not successful. Broken-hearted, I rushed into a second marriage, against my better judgement – marrying only 30 days after my divorce was final. (We actually had lunch with Stan on our honeymoon at the 2015 GC) We blended families. The kids didn’t get along and I developed PTSD as a result of the high-conflict divorce with my first wife. I ended the marriage, under the guidance of a counselor, because of health issues. I had developed high blood pressure, acid reflux, insomnia and weight gain. It was simply bad timing. I needed time to recover from the divorce with my first wife. I got treatment for the PTSD and recovered my health. This time I have been taking it slow. My children are older and have recovered from the divorce and support this decision. With God’s grace things will work out this time. I have enjoyed being a single-parent raising my children for over three years. Actually, more than enjoyed, I have absolutely loved being my kids; dad. It has been a joy and an honor. It cost me thousands of dollars to win custody. I will actually finish paying off the lawyer loan this year in April. I am so grateful to have been given the opportunity to continue raising my children for God. It is a privilege that most divorced fathers never have. My parents divorced when I was young. I never had a real father figure. I lived on the streets as a teenager before sobering up in Alcoholics Anonymous at the age of 16. I learned how to submit to authority, how to listen, how to learn from my own mistakes and even more, how to learn from the mistakes of others. I read books about being a husband before I got married and about being a father before I had children. While I am a construction project manager and have built projects valued at more than $10 million, I am a family man. I am the father to my children that I never had. I have worked hard to maintain a healthy relationship with my ex-wife so we can co-parent our children together. The average time a man waits after a divorce to remarry in the US is 3 years. That is what it will be for me. A recent study showed that 61% of divorced Adventists never remarry. That is almost the opposite of the population in general in which 60% do remarry (and many more cohabitate). The Bible teaches it is not good for man to be alone and multiple studies confirm the benefits of marriage. It is unknown why so many divorced Adventists stay single. Those who experience the forgiving grace of God have no need to perform penance for a failed marriage. Divorce should be a wake-up call to take inventory, repent of sins and start a new path. Many second marriages fail because people blame their ex and don’t learn from the divorce. That certainly is not the case with me. This place was like a second church for me for a long time. I grew a lot spiritually from interacting here and I am sure there are many Adventists that are isolated or in churches that are not very active and could benefit a lot from this forum. I liked the name Club Adventist better but,,, who am I? Maybe the GC didn't share my opinion. I still pop in here every now and again but life is extremely busy right now. In a couple of years I will be done with graduate school, both of my children will be adults, and I will be married again. Those are all big changes and hopefully all positive ones.
  30. 4 points
    B/W Photodude

    SDA Interfaith Marriage

    It is interesting that the couple were both Buddhist when they married but one converted and became a Christian. The article kept stressing that a Buddhist could marry whoever they wished. However, the Christian wife is doing just what Paul advocated in the New Testament by staying with her husband. It is almost a no brainer kind of situation. The story may have been more challenging if they were of different religions prior to marriage. Another situation that does not often get discussed are those who are divorced and unBiblically remarried and then become Christians. What then of their marriage? What if they are both "Christians" when they do the deed? Are they still married albeit it unBiblically? Is the "adultery" a sin of the moment or do they continue to live in sin and should divorce? Sin did bad things to marriage, like it did to so many other things.
  31. 4 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    A Kite Builds a Bridge

    If two SDA members who are on opposing sides of these [in my opinion] ridiculous denominational battles, and demonize each other for their heartfelt beliefs, and one found out that s/he could save the life of his/her opponent with, say, a bone marrow transplant, do you suppose the person would do so? Or do you think s/he would thumb his/her nose, and say "good riddance" (because that would be one less opponent, you know)? It's like we've got the Adventist version of the Civil War going on. With no Abraham Lincoln...and it seems like we're in the midst of the hornet's nest of the Battle of the Adventist Shiloh. In all this bickering, don't people realize that they're participating in the denunciation and annihilation of their own friends and families? Shameful. Makes me sick.
  32. 4 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Christ & Christmas

    To be clear: If my wife knew that a female was hiding under my bed, my wife would chase the female away.
  33. 4 points
    B/W Photodude

    Christ & Christmas

    For most of the people on the earth, come late fall we enter a period of short days and long cold dark nights. Month after month people freeze and are hungry. So, for many many people the Christmas season is like a shining light in the misery of winter. In fact, if it were not for the Christmas season to remind people to be more loving and caring through charitable giving, many many people would be in serious trouble. I would not like to see what life for the poor would be like without a Christmas season. In the temple services of the desert, once a year they had the Day of Atonement, which symbolized the Investigative Judgement and the end of this age. But it happened every year. Only one time was Jesus born into this world, but we celebrate it every year. As EGW wrote, "... You can make it like the world if you have a disposition to do so, or you can make it as unlike the world as possible." While she may have been writing about Christmas trees, you can extend it to the entire Christmas season. So what if at one point in time, December 25 was the birthday of some heathen figure. Like some social justice movements we can say Jesus "took back the day." All days belong to God anyway. Most people are aware that December 25 is not the birthday of Jesus. So, perhaps it is even a blessing from Heaven that we celebrate it in the dead of winter, after the shortest day of the year and days only get longer and spring is coming. Christmas is a reminder that Spring is coming like Jesus' life on this earth is a reminder that there is a life after this earth. Guaranteed after the lake of fire, no one will remember the original figure born on December 25. (Sorry, to those who live in the southern hemisphere!) But some people seem to have this hatred of Christmas, even those who claim to be Christians. People who see the blessing of Christmas are also criticized. And sorry to say, they even make reference to people being liars by saying Jesus was not born on December 25. Truth does not always need to be spot on exact. Jesus told a story of a man in hell, but we know there is no hell (yet!). In fact the Bible says so. So, was Jesus a liar for telling the story of Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham? So, I will accept the ideas promoted by Martin Luther and Ellen White before I will listen to those who will criticize Christmas for whatever reason they got their shorts in a knot over.
  34. 4 points
    Gregory Matthews

    The Little Horn--More

    In the post above, Photodude gave the following website to support his claim that Catholic Popes have claimed to be God on Earth: http://www.geoffhorton.com/PapalClaims.html I invite all to go to that website and to read the entire article. I especially invite Photodude to go there and to read that article as I suspect that he has never read the entire article. That article lists seven (7) claims in which the Pope has claimed to be God on Earth. The article then addressed each claim and refuted it. IOW, each of the seven (7) claims is said by the article to be false, misleading or otherwise distorted. In actual fact, the article that Photodude listed supports the opposite of what Photodude implied it said.
  35. 4 points
    B/W Photodude

    Sunday"s coming,___________________________

    Many things are written in the Bible that those who do not really know will think they do and get it wrong. This includes even Adventists in the end time. "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." Daniel 12:10 Hence, one would be wise to pay attention when Paul wrote, "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." 1 Cor 10:12 The issue of the Jews not understanding the Messiah even when He walked among them intrigues me. They totally missed the meaning or what was happening at the first advent. I am of the opinion that what should be understood at the second advent will be even more misunderstood. Not sure if I even understand myself what is happening and am studying intensely to figure it out. Therefore, like the unbelievers in the temple at Jerusalem, when God speaks from heaven in the very end times, only His people will understand and to all the rest it will only sound like thunder. So, during summer storms and peels of thunder think about God speaking and it only sound like gibberish! (Are you aware that the KJV uses the term "Take heed" 65 times thru the Bible?!)
  36. 4 points
    Gail

    Dan Jackson's closing statements NAD, Nov 5, 2018

    Certainly that would allow divisions to take into consideration customs that are rooted. If change is needed then time is granted to make the changes in a way that the people can accept. Jesus did things that were against the norm of the day. He broke chains in unexpected ways and left the rule-keepers speechless. Politics make people angry.
  37. 4 points
    B/W Photodude

    I See Dead People ...

    (Spoiler alert: A movie will be discussed and details given away) I have had a very peripheral connection to Hollywood and the film industry. While leaving out family legends that are not true, some relatives were part of Hollywood. My grandmother's cousin was Herbert Coleman, the long time associate of Alfred Hitchcock. A step-father of mine worked in Hollywood for many years at United Artists and then at MGM. He knew many of the stars of the 30s & 40s and it was fascinating to sit around and listen to the tales about the stars. https://www.amazon.com/Man-Who-Knew-Hitchcock-Filmmakers-ebook/dp/B00GHVBVYU/ My own involvement was as an extra in one movie, "Paint Your Wagon." So, it was also interesting to sit around the set and watch the different actors and how a movie was produced. My interest continued in film and after nursing school I worked in the Los Angeles area and I attended film studies thru the local colleges. This was in the days when computers were little more than kits from Heathkit, so there was no digital editing of video on computers. This was using film, cutting the pieces to the right length and gluing them together. Adding sound was quite the ordeal also. This film was done over fifty years ago! Film studies also included the history of film from the very earliest motion pictures to the more recent at that time. I have had a long interest in very old films including the silent films, film noir (black film), b/w newsreels, and the development of cinematic style. This does provide a dilemma at times for someone who grew up attending the SDA church and I never went to my first movie until academy days and have been "hooked" ever since. But sometime ago while watching some of these old newsreels, probably from the political conventions with Teddy Roosevelt and the thousands of people present, it occurred to me that ALL of those people were now dead. Thirty or forty years ago, many of the silent screen stars were dying and obituaries being written up in the papers. Yeah, there may have been a baby from the end of the silent era movies who today languishes in a nursing home somewhere, but the rest are dead. I have been a Perry Mason fan from the days when they were first run shows. Recently Barbara Hale (Della Street, Perry's secretary) passed on. Everyone else is gone. Lt. Tragg of homicide has been dead for more than fifty years. Unfortunately, this creeping death thing is starting to even include the living. Given the time we live in and looking at the future of this world, large crowds of people are starting to look like death in the future. I look at a stadium full of people on football Sundays and inescapably the realization is "they are all going to die." Even in large crowds in churches with people singing "praise hymns", they are all going to die. I was watching a panel of Baptist preachers talking and one of them stated that less than five percent of people in church are saved. Whoa! Math gears working and I remember that quote from EGW, "It is a solemn statement that I make to the church, that not one in twenty whose names are registered upon the church books are prepared to close their earthly history, and would be as verily without God and without hope in the world as the common sinner."--ChS 41 (1893). "Five percent" and "one in twenty" are about the same thing. Jesus left it at, "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:14 This concerns me when I read and see what is happening in the SDA church. People are totally fighting over stupid stuff with evil agendas and know not that they are perishing. The fight inside the SDA church is little different than the political struggles going on in the world. And all the fighters will perish. When I read Genesis and God told Adam that he would die if he ate of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, He meant they were going to die right then. I still hold the opinion that this earth's human race became spiritually dead from that moment. The only way to be spiritually alive is when Christ abides in you. That abiding is another very long topic, so I will focus on "life" without the abiding of Jesus in one. One of the problems with spiritual death is that the "dead person" often doesn't know it. The Pharisees of the time of Jesus were studying their Scriptures intensively while the answer to the question walked right among them. And they perceived it not. They were the walking dead. This so much reminds me of the movie "The Sixth Sense" which came out about 1998 and starred Bruce Willis and Haley Joel Osmont. Osmont was a little boy who was bothered by the people who had died and were caught in that space between living and going into the light. Bruce Willis was a psychologist who tried to help the little boy. The youtube link is one of the revealing moments in the movie. See, the psychologist was dead and he did not know it! But the little boy knew it and he was giving him a clue that he could see the dead. (Jesus used illustrations of hell and afterlife which He also knew was not true!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUYKSWQmkrg So, you have to ask yourself, "are you alive like the little boy, or are you dead believing you are really alive?" So, that is my pressing concern, for myself and for everyone else. Especially for the fighting people doing unimaginable evil and totally clueless to their naked state. Frequently you see comments about the church falling but EGW prophesied this and stated the church would stand. But this is a very very late event in this earth's history. Do we see the thief coming in the window? "It is possible for men to offer the Saviour outward homage, to be Christians in profession, to have a form of godliness, while the heart, whose loyalty He prizes above all else, is estranged from Him. Such ones have a name to live, but they are dead...." EGW, UL, Oct 14. A "prophecy of doom" doesn't get much darker than this.
  38. 4 points
    Kevin H

    UNITY IS BRUTAL

    There is a huge difference between a leader who presides over an organization as all sides reach a consensus, as opposed to a leader who gathers people to bulldoze their agenda through. The first is when the General Conference is the voice of God on earth.
  39. 4 points
    B/W Photodude

    Is Jesus omnipresent?

    As noted by one other poster, I do not see where "we" agreed not to post EGW! In the original post, it was only stated that the poster had not seen a Biblical argument. I write this because I happen to value the written works of others including those long out of our company. I have one Adventist friend that seems to get upset when one will quote EGW. But what are books of a person's writings but a way to be a part of a discussion after their earthly existence has ceased? It is the ultimate of Proverbs that their part under the sun is gone, so shut up and lay in your grave quietly! I also find it strange that a discussion in an SDA forum should exclude EGW. I find many of her writings to be very illuminating for many Bible texts. But then so does the works of Waggoner, Andreasen, Douglas, Goldstein, and many more help me understand what is in Scripture. Everyone should not have to re-invent the wheel every time they pick up their Bible. So, if anyone is making a Biblical argument, they are only pontificating on their own understanding and nothing but direct Bible verses should be allowed!
  40. 4 points
    Kevin H

    Is Jesus omnipresent?

    Excellent post Wanderer! Lone Ranger: You are correct in your concern "If Jesus does not posses ALL the characteristics of God, then he is not fully God." And Jesus does indeed possess ALL the characteristics of God and is fully God. The problem is that we try too much to squeeze the trinity, especially Jesus, into a box. And yes, there are aspects of God that accommodates our box, but we need to remember that our box is only a way of us having some comprehension and that God is way out of our box, far beyond our comprehension.
  41. 4 points
    Gail

    How To Choose The Right Bible Version

    Bible Gateway is useful as you can create your own parallel Bibles. Just use the multiple column feature. It lines up the versions beside each other. Still, there is something about a real book, isn't there?
  42. 4 points
    8thdaypriest

    How Important Is Correct Doctrine to Salvation?

    IF the Lord has convicted you, that you should believe such, or abstain from such, then FOR YOU, this becomes a salvational issue. Why? Because you are responding to your Lord and King. Will you obey Him as your LORD, or not. The salvational issue is NOT the doctrine, or the abstinence. The issue is whether you will obey the Lord you have chosen. Paul wrote that "each one is tested". Adam and Eve were tested. I believe that everyone who is awarded eternal citizenship in the Father's kingdom, will have been tested. We are afforded many opportunities to pass and retry, during our lifetimes. Jesus was afforded only one chance. He had to succeed each and every time.
  43. 4 points
    Gregory Matthews

    Labor Union Supports Sabbath Observance

    So, we assume that such was true in the time that EGW wrote. But, is it possible that today some labor unions might exist for which what EGW stated would not be true? As an example, I can show you quotations that suggest that labor unions hindered a SDA from being free from working on Sabbath. Yet, this labor union clearly seems to support the idea that this person should be freed from working on Sabbath. Context is important. Is it possible that there may be labor unions today that do not represent the problems that EGW mentioned in' her comments? We can look back through history and see where labor unions have been involved in violence, to include murder. We can see where labor unions called upon their members to strike. What if we found a labor union that in its entire history had never called for its members to strike and had never been involved in violence? By the way such labor unions do exist.
  44. 4 points
    debbym

    How did guns become associated with Christianity?

    We have a politicized Christianity that has been operating since the 50's that has an agenda to secure and use political authority to enforce morality in the nation. Those who see the government as so corrupt that it is dangerous to Christianity, will feel the need to control that government to preserve Christianity, and the establishment of Godly militias add to that power. This is taking things into human hands. God remains in control, and nothing man can do can add to or take away from the power of God and the truth. Nothing humanity can do can create love, or moral power. God is the continual source of this for all, every moment. God's ear is not deaf, and His arm is not shortened that it cannot save. If we go about to establish these things we are denying the power of God.
  45. 4 points
    rudywoofs (Pam)

    Witchcraft In The Church??

    As someone whose goddesses included Ashtaroth and Brighid, it's my opinion that Satan actually isn't too terribly interested in having witchcraft infiltrate churches. Gossip, self-righteousness, cliques, greed, and in-house arguing and dissension over non-salvational issues are the tools he uses within the Adventist and other Christian churches. He doesn't need to use witchcraft. And if he *did* want to use it, witches have no need to be *in* the church in order to practice the Craft against it -- if they so wished (and most aren't interested in doing so)...
  46. 4 points
    Gregory Matthews

    The Trump Prophecy

    O.K. So, in 2017 you publish a book that states that in 2011 you recieved a prophecy of something that ocured in 2016. I would be more impressed if the book have been publoished in 2011, before the event happened. For more on this, see: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/the-trump-prophecies-mark-taylors-demon-filled-predictions-for-the-us/
  47. 4 points
    The Wanderer

    Announcement & Question

    Thank you Gregory. She was too ill to enjoy a service the "regular" way so we got married in her bed...like John Lennon and Yoko. 😀 It was a blessing to all. The person doing the wedding even cried. To my wife and I this was much more than marriage. It was and is true love. I lover her more each day. And that is what The Lord has done. A statement made during the vows said "may the marriage YIELD whatever is put into it." And thats related to why we call it "true love." It is possible no matter whats going on. 😀
  48. 4 points
    Stan

    Must be Baptized in the Name of Yahshua the Christ to Be saved.

    @Disciple of YHWH friend you will have a lot more credibility if you change this to your real name. Kinda how things work doe those who want to share 'new light',
  49. 4 points
    Gregory Matthews

    The Investigative Judgment

    The message was false. It did not happen. It was not a lie as all believed it and did not knowingly proclaim what they knew to be false. By the way, SDA historians could, if they wanted to do so, point out an inaccuracy in your statement in the post above. But, that would not make you to be a liar as you have no intention to decieve. It would only mean that you were inaccurate in a minor detail.
  50. 4 points
    8thdaypriest

    Why Doesn't God Use Me?

    I've always regarded myself as "weak" and "blind" sometimes, and foolish often. Guess I'm a good candidate - for God's use that is. I once asked the LORD what element of my character He most wanted to change. Instantly - and I do mean INSTANTLY - the word "impatience" flooded my mind. So if you're at all like me, and you find your life slowed to a crawl, the LORD may be working on your character, so He can make good use of you - later. I remember - some 25 years ago - there was a mentally challenged woman who attended my church. Joe may remember her. She walked with a forward leaning flat-footed gait. She would loudly interrupt Sabbath School class, telling us to prepare for judgment (not the topic of the lesson), then telling the leader that he was disrespecting her. Well - he wasn't. He was very patient with her. I remember sitting there seething with impatience, (and my intellectual snobbery) wondering why he allowed this woman to LOUDLY interrupt our class. Why didn't he DEAL with her? I hope I've come some way "heavenward" from that.
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