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It's possible that these regular coffee drinkers might have other habits in common that could explain the observed effects?

Bravus made the point earlier that people who drink 6 cups of coffee are getting 6 cups of water with that coffee. It may be the additional liquid that is helping reduce prostate cancer.

Medical science has advance our lifestyle incredibly but it is subject to change. What we are told is good for us today may be discovered to be a poison tomorrow. So good advice is to be safe rather than sorry.

I find drinking coffee to increase my social life. I often go out with friends to drink coffee and the social interaction is a great way to relieve stress and anxiety. I try to stick to decaf simply because of all the short-term negative side effects of caffiene.

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OK, I went to the original paper in the original journal. Here are the statements on funding:

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National Cancer Institute at the National Institutes of Health (P01 CA055075, CA133891); National Cancer Institute at the National Institutes of Health Training Grant (T32 CA09001 to KMW, JLK, JRS); American Institute for Cancer Research (to JLK); Prostate Cancer Foundation (to LAM).

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The funding organizations had no role in the design and conduct of the study; collection, management, analysis, and interpretation of the data; and preparation, review, or approval of the article.

So I guess all those making strong claims about coffee industry funding will be publicly withdrawing them in this thread now...

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Very good, Bravus. Having seen too many tainted "research" in medicine, I would also want to know who the researchers are, and if they have any ties to the coffee industry. In the last several years, many lecturers I have listened to now have a disclaimer in their papers that they have no connections in any shape or form with manufacturer of the product or substance that they are discussing.
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I find it funny that people are just blowing off years of research because one person said stay away from coffee. They do make decaf. Drinking coffee isn't going to keep you out of heaven.

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'Beer' is good for you..

'Cocaine' is for you..

'immorality' is good for you..

'adultery' is good for you.. (Time Magazine article).

'Eating meat' is good for you..

_________ is good for you... (fill in the blank).

I have heard each of the above statements in my life so far, prompting me to come with a new list:

"Obedience is good for you."

"The Bible is good for you."

"Self-denial is good for you."

oG

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No... he did not. That guy said that she will not die. Did not say anything about staying in Eden, if I recall correctly.

Your recollection is excellent. I was just reading between the lines. :)

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'Beer' is good for you..

'Cocaine' is for you..

'immorality' is good for you..

'adultery' is good for you.. (Time Magazine article).

'Eating meat' is good for you..

_________ is good for you... (fill in the blank).

I have heard each of the above statements in my life so far, prompting me to come with a new list:

"Obedience is good for you."

"The Bible is good for you."

"Self-denial is good for you."

oG

Amen!

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Removing the caff process downgrades the flavor, unless your choice is flavored, then it doesn't make any difference. I prefer fresh ground from small coffee roasters, best flavor of all!!

All one has to do is make the coffee stronger. I have been in scores of recovery groups over the years which are themselves coffee houses. Depending upon who makes the coffee, it is a luck of the draw which tastes better - decaf or regular.

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What bugs me is just the resistance to the simple truth.

The research was *not* funded by the coffee industry or compromised in any way.

It says what it says.

I'm 100% fine with people saying "I choose not to drink coffee because I think there are other problems with it" or "I choose not to drink coffee because Ellen White said so". No problem at all.

It's when people make claims about the honesty and integrity of scientists simply because the results of the science disagree with their views that it annoys me.

No-one who made those allegations has yet come back and said "Ah, I guess my assumptions were mistaken".

Is the truth held in such low esteem?

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This study is about correlation, not causality. It doesn't offer any mechanism for how or even whether coffee causes the reduced incidence of prostate cancer. It simply states that those who drink coffee do have a reduced incidence. That's a fact.

I suggested it could be due to extra water in the overall diet.

it could also be due, for example, to the fact that people who drink coffee take coffee breaks. They break up their work and take a rest. And they socialise.

Adventists of all people should realise that we are not a separate body and spirit, but an holistic person. Socialising - positive social contact with others - effects our whole self, and can lead to reduced incidence of cancers and a better prognosis for those who develop cancers.

We can conjecture as to causes - and since EGW's teaching was against caffeine and it turns out that decaf has the same positives without the negatives, maybe embrace that. Or not - there are many factors both protective and causative of cancer in diet, exercise in lifestyle and we can't attend to them all.

Telling the truth is still important.

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Actually, caffeine is a dehydrator diuretic, which would cause people who drink 6 cups a day to loose quite a bit of water in the end.

YET, I do think that it's not too far fetched to think that perhaps that could be the very process that would keep the prostatitis and prostate cancer at bay. Diuretics, besides dehydrating, can clear the toxic materials that could potentially be responsible for cancer. It's my mere observation, but MAYBE that property of coffee could be beneficial?

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I think just moving a lot of liquid through your system is good for a lot of things. There is a lot to be said for the social aspect. I attended a church once that had a coffee bar that was every bit as good as Starbucks. I think that would be a great setting for small group Bible study.

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I'm aware of that. It does not directly affecting the kidney's per se, like other diuretics do, so it's a "diurectic" by proxy, because it increases the flow of blood to kidneys. My point was not the "net" water loss, but faster exchange of fluids and expulsion of toxins.

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Fair enough: the fact that you said 'dehydrator diuretic' linked up in my mind with the common misconception that coffee leads to dehydration and I wanted to clarify that for readers (not to set you straight).

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Just tagging on. Too many "I believe" here. Do the empirical thing. Weigh yourself, drink nothing but coffee without other sources of water, then weigh yourself again, and see if there is a net loss. Do it over & over to make it statistically relevant.

BTW, the coffee research may turn out to be like that of alcohol - a few beneficial effects that will be touted and the bad overlooked or played down.

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