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stinsonmarri
1 hour ago, B/W Photodude said:

I tend to think that the Orthodox Jews were on to something when they stopped saying aloud God's name. They use the word HaShem, which translates as "the name." They even write God as G-d, lest the written name of God should be thrown in the trash. I also have never seen an English speaking/writing person actually use the name of God (י ה ו ה‎) correctly. Even the name of Jesus seems to get munged up. I follow the Orthodox practice and don't correct it as the fight over the name of God is to me just another vain use of His name and I don't contribute to it by giving the real name of God to fight over.

Well let's see do you know the history of the Orthodox Jews, they are not Hebrews nor do they call themselves Israel; instead they call themselves Israelis! Who are they let them tell you themselves:

"A brief History of the Terms for Jew" in the 1980 Jewish Almanac is the following: "STRICTLY SPEAKING IT IS INCORRECT TO CALL AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE A ‘ JEW' OR TO CALL A CONTEMPORARY JEW AN ISRAELITE OR A HEBREW." (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).

The Bible does not lie:

"The primary meaning of Ashkenaz and Ashkenazim in Hebrew is Germany and Germans. This may be due to the fact that the home of the ancient ancestors of the Germans is Media, which is the Biblical Ashkenaz...Krauss is of the opinion that in the early medieval ages the Khazars were sometimes referred to as Ashkenazim...About 92 percent of all Jews or approximately 14,500,000 are Ashkenazim."

ELOHIYM shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. Gen 9:27 

Blessings!

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Gregory Matthews

Stinsonmarri: 

As to politics & President Trump:  I did NOT ask anyone to refrain from discussing such.  I asked you to not do so in this section of the forum.  this section is devoted to "wolves in sheep's clothing and to theology.

World Affairs is a section where people are discussing U. S. politics.

In another post, your quote something that The Wanderer said and attribute it to me.    Please take the time to accurately understand what as said by someone that you quote.

 

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B/W Photodude
8 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

Well let's see do you know the history of the Orthodox Jews,

If you read more here at Adventistan, you would know!

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B/W Photodude
11 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

thats also taking His name in vain...

I think that not using His name is for protection of the name. You are reminded of that every time you see HaShem or even in the KJV Bible, LORD.

And G-d or God is not His name, it is what He is.

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The Wanderer
20 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

I think that not using His name is for protection of the name. You are reminded of that every time you see HaShem or even in the KJV Bible, LORD.

And G-d or God is not His name, it is what He is.

How can we "protect" what we dont know, and why would we use this kind of "name" which makes Him out to be "the unknown God?"  There are many other legitimate names for God in the Bible which do make Him known to us. We have no reason to promote "the unknown God," for God can be known; especially by His many names. How about "Immanuel?"  If we put the G-d thing there, then we are defeating our own stated purpose as a church.

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stinsonmarri
11 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

Stinsonmarri: 

As to politics & President Trump:  I did NOT ask anyone to refrain from discussing such.  I asked you to not do so in this section of the forum.  this section is devoted to "wolves in sheep's clothing and to theology.

World Affairs is a section where people are discussing U. S. politics.

In another post, your quote something that The Wanderer said and attribute it to me.    Please take the time to accurately understand what as said by someone that you quote.

 

Excuse me sir, did you see that post? Kindly would you provide in the email what I was suppose to have said that refer to you. The reason I say this is you would know if I said something because I am straight forward. The reason I made the statement about Trump here was the relation is has to do with the Bible; which is the violence and sex! I also gave you an illustration. 

I am a little confuse because above you said you did not ask anyone to refrain from discussing such????  But you ask me not to and I thought surely I click on your quote to me? So please tell me why did you say to me to "take time to accurately understand what as said by someone that you quote?"

You also did not tell me on the first quote that I had to go to world affairs. Understanding is the best thing in the world.

Blessings!

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stinsonmarri
12 hours ago, Stan said:

@stinsonmarri  the moderater  gave you one simple request. please heed.

Excuse me sir: I have followed the request about EGW is there something that I miss. If so can you please be kind and tell me what I have done?

Thank You!

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Gregory Matthews

Stinsonmarri:

My position is that you have complied with our request as to your quotes from EGW.  I do not have any problem with you on that.

In fact, I do not have a problem with you on anything as far as your compliance with what we want in your posts.  I do disagree with some of your posts.  But, you do not have to agree with me.  You can post your thoughts that I do not agree with.  I do not chose to either post an agreement or a disagreement on everything you post, just as I do not do that on others.  I may at some time post such, but I do not do that all of the time.

As to politics:  I was making a general comment to all posting in this thread.  I was  not primarily focused on you.  I was just telling anyone that if they wanted to discuss President Trump to do it in another section.  Don't worry about it.

You are welcome to post in this forum and others are welcome to respond to you either to agree or to disagree as they wish.  As far as I am concerned, there is nothing more that we need to discuss with you as to your compliance with our requirements.  If such happens in the future, we will address that with you.

 

 

 

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B/W Photodude
6 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

How can we "protect" what we dont know, and why would we use this kind of "name" which makes Him out to be "the unknown God?"  There are many other legitimate names for God in the Bible which do make Him known to us. We have no reason to promote "the unknown God," for God can be known; especially by His many names. How about "Immanuel?"  If we put the G-d thing there, then we are defeating our own stated purpose as a church.

I am not suggesting that Christians follow the practice of the Jews, I just understand why it is done. As far as  Him being unknown God, in the synagogue during Torah reading, HaShem is just substituted for the name of God during the reading of the Torah, but to the reader it is clearly spelled out. In other places Adonai may also be used which means Lord. In fact, the reader of the Septuagint is likely to see the name of God more than the reader of the English KJV Old Testament as the name of God is frequently covered over with the word "LORD." You will see two spellings of Lord in the Old Testament. When you see "LORD", check your Hebrew Bible and you will see the name of God. 

This same practice of substituting for the name of a Divine person even happened in the New Testament. "The Word" as the beginning of the Gospel of John is said by one writer to be the substitute name for Michael the Archangel who was considered by some ancient sages as Divine.

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The Wanderer
2 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

This same practice of substituting for the name of a Divine person even happened in the New Testament. "The Word" as the beginning of the Gospel of John is said by one writer to be the substitute name for Michael the Archangel who was considered by some ancient sages as Divine.

I see your point  Well taken Would be interested in a specific reference for this sentence. (its  not that I question it, just genuinely interested in ongoing research on this general topic. :)

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B/W Photodude
Just now, The Wanderer said:

I see your point  Well taken Would be interested in a specific reference for this sentence. (its  not that I question it, just genuinely interested in ongoing research on this general topic. :)

I actually had the book at one time but seemed to have misplaced it and repeated searches thru multiple moves have failed to result in me finding it. I had several books by the author and I believe it was Robert Leo Odom in one of his books. They were published by the Israelite Heritage Institute. I have three, Israel's Prophetic Puzzle, Israel's Angel Extraordinary, & Israel's Preexistent Messiah. Perhaps if I do a careful search thru those books I may find that particular subject. I find interesting in Odom's work that in one book he goes into the Targum, Talmud, & the Midrashic writings. Guess I have another project to the long list I already have!

https://openlibrary.org/publishers/Israelite_Heritage_Institute

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The Wanderer
50 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

I actually had the book at one time but seemed to have misplaced it and repeated searches thru multiple moves have failed to result in me finding it. I had several books by the author and I believe it was Robert Leo Odom in one of his books. They were published by the Israelite Heritage Institute. I have three, Israel's Prophetic Puzzle, Israel's Angel Extraordinary, & Israel's Preexistent Messiah. Perhaps if I do a careful search thru those books I may find that particular subject. I find interesting in Odom's work that in one book he goes into the Targum, Talmud, & the Midrashic writings. Guess I have another project to the long list I already have!

https://openlibrary.org/publishers/Israelite_Heritage_Institute

I took a series of correspondence Bible studies through them a number of years ago. Very interesting and enlightening. I really enjoy anything they publish. Thank you.

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LifeHiscost
On 12/6/2017 at 5:30 PM, stinsonmarri said:

 

 

It was stated that the wolves lies within!

Blessings!

 

5Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, for God has said: “Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you.”   Hebrews 13

3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and is already in the world at this time. 4You, little children, are from God and have overcome them, because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. 5They are of the world. That is why they speak from the world’s perspective, and the world listens to them.… 1 John 4

The person who keeps their eyes on Jesus need not worry about the wolves. That is Jesus proferred gift to His disciples.

God is Love!~Jesus saves! :D

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stinsonmarri
On 12/7/2017 at 1:24 PM, B/W Photodude said:

If you read more here at Adventistan, you would know!

Well I have been here before it became Adventistan and provided information to many then! I also lived in Israel in 1982 and 83 first at a Kibbutz call Rachel! Have you hear of it? I have friends that are on my Facebook page and we contact each other a lot over the years! I also lived at the SDA Mission and some friend’s home in Jerusalem and work at the Venezuela Embassy. I traveled to the Dead Sea and I brought two rocks back home with me along with other things. I studied there and here about the ancient Hebrews and how the name Jew came about. The ancient people even in the day of YAHSHUA did not call themselves that name. Now the Yehuwdiy: Jehudite or Judahite was not called by the people, they call themselves Israel. The letter J was not a part of the Hebrew alphabet:

“The form of J was unknown in any alphabet until the 14th century. Either symbol (J, I) used initially generally had the consonantal sound of Y as in year. Gradually, the two symbols (J, I) were differentiated, the J usually acquiring consonantal force and thus becoming regarded as a consonant, and the I becoming a vowel. It was not until 1630 that the differentiation became general in England.” The Encyclopedia Americana

It also can be found in the following:

The New Book of Knowledge, The Random House Dictionary of the English Language, The Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition Funk and Wagnall’s Encyclopedia (1979 edition), volume 14, page 94, Webster’s New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, and The Encyclopedia Americana

Here is proof about Judaism movement:

Judaism's “initial catalyst was neither the canonization of the Hebrew Bible nor [the Pharisees' studious] research of Scripture, but the demise of the Second Temple.....” Judaism Discovered, p. 215

“The Pharisees, The Sociological Background of Their Faith” that: “Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes in name . . . the spirit of the ancient Pharisees survives, unaltered . . . From Palestine to Babylonia; from Babylonia to North Africa, Italy, Spain, France and Germany; from these to Poland, Russia, and eastern Europe generally, ancient Pharisaism has wandered . . . demonstrates the enduring importance which attaches to Pharisaism as a religious movement . . .” The Pharisees. The Sociological Background of Their Faith; Volumes II

“The Babylonian Talmud is based on the mystical religious practices of the Babylonians which were assimilated by the Judahite Rabbis during their Babylonian captivity around 600 B.C. The Rabbis then used these occult traditions in place of the word of God,” wrote Edward Hendrie in Solving the Mystery of Babylon the Great

The Babylonian Talmud (Talmud Bavli) consists of documents compiled over the period of Late Antiquity (3rd to 5th centuries).[12] During this time the most important of the Jewish centres in Mesopotamia, a region called "Babylonia" in Jewish sources and later known as Iraq, were Nehardea, Nisibis (modern Nusaybin), Mahoza (al-Mada'in, just to the south of what is now Baghdad), Pumbedita (near present-day al Anbar Governorate), and the Sura Academy, probably located about 60 km south of Baghdad.[13] "Talmud and Midrash (Judaism) :: The making of the Talmuds: 3rd-6th century". Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 2008. Retrieved 28 October 2013; Jews in Islamic Countries in the Middle Ages. p. 507

 

Due to the relative scarcity of relevant historical records, the ethnic origins of present-day Ashkenazi Jews are debated, and in such a setting, genetic data provides crucial information. A number of recent studies have shown that Ashkenazi individuals have genetic ancestry intermediate between European (EU) and Middle-Eastern (ME) sources, consistent with the long-held theory of a Levantine origin followed by partial assimilation in Europe. The estimated amount of accumulated EU gene flow varied across studies, with the most recent ones, employing genome-wide data, converging to a contribution of around 50% of the AJ ancestry. Weinryb B.D., The Jews of Poland: A Social and Economic History of the Jewish Community in Poland from 1100 to 1800. 1972: The Jewish Publication Society of America; Bray S.M., Signatures of founder effects, admixture, and selection in the Ashkenazi Jewish population; Kopelman N.M., et al. Genomic microsatellites identify shared Jewish ancestry intermediate between Middle Eastern and European populations. Weinryb B.D., The Jews of Poland: A Social and Economic History of the Jewish Community in Poland from 1100 to 1800. 1972: The Jewish Publication Society of America; Weinryb B.D., The Jews of Poland: A Social and Economic History of the Jewish Community in Poland from 1100 to 1800. 1972: The Jewish Publication Society of America; Kopelman N.M., et al. Genomic microsatellites identify shared Jewish ancestry intermediate between Middle Eastern and European populations. BMC Genet, 2009. 10: p. 80

Yes you can trace slightly the Jews back to the Middle East but that does not indicate Hebrew descent at all. During the Babylonia captivity many of the Hebrews remain in Babylon and spread to other places in the Empire. This is where the Pharisaic Movement started opening up centers of learning about the concept of the oral law. This is the beginning of the Talmud and after the fall of the Temple in AD 70 there were a number of Iudaic riots in Cyrenaica, Cyprus, and Egypt which eventually started the revised Babylonia Talmud Movement. Even in Acts Chapter 2 the Hebrews had scatter all over then known Roman world. Two more revolts, then the Catholics’ controlled Jerusalem.

During the Greco-Roman rule many Hebrews had migrated to Egypt but after the Christian movement the native Copts who were black people became Christianize. While in Jerusalem I visited the Coptic Church which was underground with beautiful painted caves. YAHSHUA was dark-skinned with shortly curly hair like an Afro!  The Coptic Church was claimed to be established by Mark, in AD 42. Easter Catholic rule through the 4th–6th centuries. Sassanian Persian invasion 619 AD again Indo Aryans Elamites (Shem and Ham mix earlier as once the Kingdom of Elamite!). This rule was short live and the Arabs composite of Euros, Asians and Afrikans; Conquest 639–642 AD. Now Egypt had come under the caliphate rule for more than 200 years. During this period many Hebrew were persecuted, force to become Catholic and later Islamic. So many persecution and the migration of the Aryan people into the Middle East they cannot provide the genetic DNA down like they came for me. I know the DNA of my ancestors and 87% come from several countries Afrika down to the exact people.

Middle Eastern people were now the Greeks, Medes, Persia, and Turks. Japheth fulfills the prophecy of Noah that his children would “dwell in the tents of Shem.” Gen 9:27 Shem was more than the Hebrews it included all of Shem's children. That is why today all of Northern Arabia, Palestine, Edom and Jordan are mixed with Ham, Shem and mostly Japheth!

Europe had the Sephardic and Ashkenazi who then refer themselves as Zionist and Israeli and not the original Hebrew or Israel. This is history and there is more and more findings that are providing the evidence.

Blessings!

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stinsonmarri
On 12/8/2017 at 4:05 PM, LifeHiscost said:

5Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, for God has said: “Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you.”   Hebrews 13

3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and is already in the world at this time. 4You, little children, are from God and have overcome them, because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. 5They are of the world. That is why they speak from the world’s perspective, and the world listens to them.… 1 John 4

The person who keeps their eyes on Jesus need not worry about the wolves. That is Jesus proferred gift to His disciples.

God is Love!~Jesus saves! :D

I don't worry about the wolves; I am concern about the error we continue to hold on.  The Ladiocean is what YAHSHUA had to deal with Israel:

And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the AMEN, THE FAITHFUL and TRUE WITNESS, the CHIEF of the creation of ELOHIYM;  I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of MY MOUTH. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:   I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev 3:14-18

We recognize that this is us, yet we are not open minded at all. We refuse to even be like the Bereans to see what is presented is so. When you provide information we all should check it out and the if it is error show that is error. Why attack the presenter like the Pharisees did YAHSHUA? Why are we so hung up in our doctrines, yes the 28 Fundamental beliefs that we can't see this was not what the pioneers wanted! 

In presenting to the public this synopsis of our faith, we wish to have it distinctly understood that we have no articles of faith, creed, or discipline, aside from the Bible. We do not put forth this as having any authority with our people, nor is it designed to secure uniformity among them, as a system of faith, but is a brief statement of what is, and has been, with great unanimity, held by them. We often find it necessary to meet inquiries on this subject, and sometimes to correct false statements circulated against us, and to remove erroneous impressions which have obtained with those  who have not had an opportunity to become acquainted with our faith and practice. Our only object is to meet this necessity. 1872 FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES

They wrote that fundamental principles had no articles of creed or discipline aside from the Bible! This writing did have any authority over the people nor was it designed to secure uniformity among them. That why I am a SDA by faith and not by religion or 28 fundamental principle. The Commandments and Statutes is my fundamental principle. When I said wolves within because the problems lies within not without. What happen to us? I have great concerns, don't you? This year we have had the most devastating hurricanes.  Irma was five hundred miles wide, which wider then Florida and it went up the eastern coast with fury! Look Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, still need help. One island is no more, it is gone. Fire in California that they cannot put out; the violence and racism is at an all time high! More and more earthquake even here on the east coast! We need to get ready and we are not! If one says or goes against what most think is correct then you get that I go on other forums with the same message. Not to see if the message presented is true or to give Scriptures to refute the message. Nope, just label and put down. We need to check out if all that we claim to believe is true. It is NOT ABOUT WOLVES its about truth and realizing that many are call but few are chosen.

Blessings!

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LifeHiscost
15 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

I don't worry about the wolves; I am concern about the error we continue to hold on.  The Ladiocean is what YAHSHUA had to deal with Israel:Nope, just label and put down. We need to check out if all that we claim to believe is true. It is NOT ABOUT WOLVES its about truth and realizing that many are call but few are chosen.

Blessings!

I find it counter productive to spend my time finding fault with my sisters and brothers as I have enough of my own lack. It is enough for me to know that men/women at their best fall into this category.

What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

10 As it is written:

“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”[b] .... Romans 3

This is the individual's answer to their dilemma.

 

16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. James 5

God is Love!~Jesus saves!  :D

 

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stinsonmarri
9 hours ago, LifeHiscost said:

I find it counter productive to spend my time finding fault with my sisters and brothers as I have enough of my own lack. It is enough for me to know that men/women at their best fall into this category.

What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

10 As it is written:

“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”[b] .... Romans 3

This is the individual's answer to their dilemma.

 

16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. James 5

God is Love!~Jesus saves!  :D

 

LifeHiscost: You are missing the whole problem.  You think that we will never stop sinning and that THE SAVIOUR is going to save us because we tried to stop! Let explain something to you the Adams when they were created were righteous. The lost their covering that why the saw that they were naked. I hear even SDA believe that if you love YAHSHUA and do good that's it. That is not it at all! We have to stop sinning and we have to present these truth to those who will stop as well. But you have know what is truth and that's where THE HOLY SPIRIT comes in to lead us into all truth! The problem is organized religion leads to doctrine and traditions. We do not need them the Bible is our doctrine and it is the Law and the Testimony we need obey by faith. 

It is not about finding fault about anyone is about getting ready. It also about standing for truth. I have never put anyone down, but have provided Scriptures, history and evidence. Most people do not like to change but you will if you love THE MOST HIGH! When you point out sin, that is not finding fault; that my friend is presenting and correcting error. Everyone must choose for themselves who they will serve. However, the Bible says it is each of duty to present truth because we are each other keeper. I can bring you to the water, but I cannot make you drink; that what THE HOLY SPIRIT does if we all let HIM!

Blessings!

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stinsonmarri

Pastor Matthew: You stated: "In ancient times the English language did not exist, so you are correct that the English word "god" did not exist.  In addition the Biblical books were not written in English, so you could also say that the writers of the Bible did not write the word "god" when they wrote the Biblical books."

Let us go farther:

Word origin:  God - Our word god goes back via Germanic to Indo-European, in which a corresponding ancestor form meant “invoked one.”  The word’s only surviving non-Germanic relative is Sanskrit hu, invoke the gods, a form which appears in the Rig Veda, most ancient of Hindu scriptures:  puru-hutas,  “much invoked,” epithet of the rain-and-thunder god Indra.  (From READER’S DIGEST, Family Word Finder, page 351) 

The root-meaning of the name (from Gothic root gheu; Sanskrit hub or emu, "to invoke or to sacrifice to") is either "the one invoked" or "the one sacrificed to." From different Indo-Germanic roots (div, "to shine" or "give light"; thes in thessasthai "to implore") come the Indo-Iranian deva, Sanskrit dyaus (gen. divas), Latin deus, Greek theos, Irish and Gaelic dia, all of which are generic names; also Greek Zeus (gen. Dios, Latin Jupiter (jovpater), Old Teutonic Tiu or Tiw (surviving in Tuesday), Latin Janus, Diana, and other proper names of pagan deities. The common name most widely used by the Canaanites as 'ayil (mighty one), 'ilu in Babylonian, 'ilah in Arabic, etc.; and though scholars are not agreed on the point, the root-meaning most probably is "the strong or mighty one. Oxford English Dictionary, Catholic Encyclopedia, Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary

Pastor YAHWEH gave to Moses THE FATHER'S NAME and various TITLES for all language. As the above pagan names was to relate actually to Satan, the requirement in the Commandment was not to use HIS FATHER NAME falsely. If we can say the Sabbath which is transliterated from the Paleo Hebrew the more so HIS NAME which is also transliterate. You can go all over the world McDonald and Burger King can be pronounce the same way! God today is used by every religion in the world, even Islam! We are to be like ancient Israel a peculiar people, instead we are just like the world!

Finally, remember Balaam, he was not a Hebrew but he was a prophet of YAHWEH from Mesopotamia. You know the story he knew THE NAME YAHWEH! The Babylonians knew YAHWEH by HIS NAME when ambassadors came to Hezekiah! Rahab and the all the Canaanite knew who YAHWEH IS and about what happen to the Egyptians. My point is all ancient nations has the above pagan names that is related to the pagan English god; that is true. But THE NAME of THE FATHER YAHWEH, THE SON YAHSHUA, and THE HOLY SPIRIT who is not a ghost all the heathen nation knew was different. Tell me anyone what is a ghost? 

Blessings!

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B/W Photodude
On 12/7/2017 at 4:27 AM, stinsonmarri said:

Well let's see do you know the history of the Orthodox Jews,  ...

 

On 12/7/2017 at 1:24 PM, B/W Photodude said:

If you read more here at Adventistan, you would know!

 

On 12/9/2017 at 6:48 PM, stinsonmarri said:

Well I have been here before it became Adventistan and provided information to many then! I also lived in Israel in 1982 and 83 ...

I think you asked if I knew history of Orthodox Jews. I know that there are more than one other person than you who is quite familiar with Jewish history here at Adventistan. For me, I attended temple for many years, studied Hebrew for a couple of years in the ulpan, I have two children who could walk right up to immigration in Israel and be granted on request citizenship in Israel due to their Jewish mother,  and they have many cousins in Israel (actually 10 who are the kids of their Orthodox Rabbi uncle, plus all the children of the cousins).

I do think it is inappropriate to go on about certain people not being Hebrew descendants, such as the Khazars you mention. Converts to Judaism have all the same privileges as any one born to a Jewish mother. I think it would be the same as saying there will be multiple classes of people in heaven.

All that said, I suspect that nearly everyone has Jewish blood in them. Through all the various captivities the Israelites endured and the spreading of Jewish people throughout the world, it would be difficult not to have Jewish blood. Jewish people have multiple sites credited to them of even ancient visits to the New World. Their is even a rock in the Appalachian mountains said to be about 1000 years old which has several inscriptions of ancient Mediterranean languages on it including Hebrew (see Redbird petroglyph). There is even a running debate on whether the Cherokee Indians were not in fact descendants of Jewish settlers to American. Cherokees, are that I know of, the only Native American peoples with a written language. Chief Redbird is one of my ancestors. I also believe I have Native American blood on the other side of my family tree. However, no Native American DNA shows up on a genetic profile as given by 23andme, but approx 5% is Jewish! And one of my ancestors was an Asher, which is also though to be a Jewish name.

https://www.23andme.com/

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Gregory Matthews

StinsonMarri:  


As to your origin of the word "god:"  

 

*  Your citation from the Readers Digest came from a 1975 article.  By the way, I suspect that your source for that comment was actually a secondary source and that you have not read that actual 1975 RD Article.

*  That RD Article presents the most common thinking as to the origin of the word "god."

*  However, there are other thoughts as to its origin and the evidence is not conclusive.

*  One of the alternative understandings is that the word "God" can be traced back to a Persian word that can be transliterated as either "khadu or Kluda.

 *  So, take your pick.  It cannot be said that you are wrong as to your thinking.  But, neither can it be said that you are conclusively correct.

 

 

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The Wanderer
On 12/7/2017 at 11:28 AM, B/W Photodude said:

I think that not using His name is for protection of the name. You are reminded of that every time you see HaShem or even in the KJV Bible, LORD.

And G-d or God is not His name, it is what He is.

OK, carrying this forward: How would you class the "name" G-D" ? Wouldn't this be more accurate to call it a Title, rather than a name? And also, why do you feel "the name" needs to be protected, or are you just saying that this might be what bonafide Jews have in mind when they call Him G-D?"  To me, the names chosen for or by people  during Bible times said something about the person's character, and that sometimes, upon birth, they were given a temporary name until the parents/priests could ascertain the character, and then give an appropriate name??  I forget where I read this, but there are a few Biblical examples of it. In summary, the (Im going to call it a title) G-D does not say much about God's character, it does not tell us anything about who He is, His name is wonderful, Counseller, Almighty God. Etc  These are all names that denote character, personality. So the G-D thing has got me wondering. Any thoughts?

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14 minutes ago, The Wanderer said:

OK, carrying this forward: How would you class the "name" G-D" ? Wouldn't this be more accurate to call it a Title, rather than a name? And also, why do you feel "the name" needs to be protected, or are you just saying that this might be what bonafide Jews have in mind when they call Him G-D?"  To me, the names chosen for or by people  during Bible times said something about the person's character, and that sometimes, upon birth, they were given a temporary name until the parents/priests could ascertain the character, and then give an appropriate name??  I forget where I read this, but there are a few Biblical examples of it. In summary, the (Im going to call it a title) G-D does not say much about God's character, it does not tell us anything about who He is, His name is wonderful, Counseller, Almighty God. Etc  These are all names that denote character, personality. So the G-D thing has got me wondering. Any thoughts?

PS  @B/W Photodude  I just found one of the places where I read the above that I was commenting to you. I will enclose it below
 

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Abba
abba (G5) is an Aramaic word, found in Mark 14:36; Rom 8:15 and Gal 4:6.
In the Gemara (a Rabbinical commentary on the Mishna,) it is stated that slaves were forbidden to address the head of the family by this title.

It approximates to a personal name, in contrast to "Father," with which it is always joined in the NT.

This is probably due to the fact that, abba having practically become a proper name, Greek-speaking Jews added the Greek word pater, "father," from the language they used. (adapted and edited by me from Vines Expository  NT Dictionary) :)

 

 

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