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A.    The Relationship between the Gospel and the Book of Life

 Scriptures define the Gospel as the power of God for salvation:

NAS Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

 The Book of Life determines who are bound for salvation:

       KJV Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

       NKJ Revelation 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.  . . . 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

The Gospel is the power of God for salvation ; the Book of Life is God’s list of those who are for salvation and specifies the final destiny of man:

      Lake of fire for those not found written in the Book of Life. Rev 20:15 

       New heaven & new earth for those written in the Book of Life. Rev 21:1, 27

The issue of one’s personal salvation can then be simplified into being written in the Book of Life, because only those written in it will be allowed in the new heaven & earth; while anyone not found in it will be cast into the lake of fire.  Being written in the Book of Life may therefore be taken to mean:

  1. that a person is in Christ because there is no condemnation for those in Christ (Rom 8:1; see also Rom 5:16-18); otherwise one belongs to the same condemnation as the devil (1 Tim 3:6) who is destined for the lake of fire (Matt 25:41)
  2. that a person is part of the body of Christ – His Church (Eph 5:23-32); otherwise he does not belong to Christ (Rom 8:9) and he cannot be with Christ when He comes again (John 14:1-3)
  3. that a person is a member of the household or family of God (Eph 2:19) and therefore a son of God (Rev 21:7), otherwise he is of the devil (John 8:44)

Wouldn’t it be good news for a person to know that his name is actually written in the Book of Life? And the Gospel is Good News!!!  Hence, understanding the specifics of the Book of Life will lead us to a better understanding of the Gospel.

 To be continued next post . . .

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Amen!!  And not just everything in the Holy Bible, but everything.

Hi again jackson! Do you really think that God is the kind of God that slaughter innocent children so they could get the eternal boot? Like A Sadistic MANIAC most parents would not let their childre

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B.    The Book of Life in Perspective

Here are important questions about the Book of Life that need to be addressed:

1.  When is a person’s name written in the Book of Life?
2.  Is there blotting out of names from the Book of Life?
3.  Who will not be blotted out from the Book of Life?
4. When is judgment rendered whether a name is to be blotted out from the Book of Life or not?

We shall soon see that properly addressed via the Bible, correct answers to these questions will lead us to a better understanding of the Gospel.

Question #1: When is a person’s name written in the Book of Life?

Common answers:

    1.   When one believes in the Lord.
    2.   When one accepts Christ as his personal Saviour.
    3.   When one is born again.
    4.   When one is baptized.
    5.   When one enters into a covenant relationship with God.

If any of the above is correct, then people are born NOT written in the Book of Life. And if one dies before his name gets written in it, then he has no other destiny but the lake of fire.  It logically follows that to be born not written in the Book of Life is to be bound for the lake of fire until written:

 

KJV Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So, from the answers commonly given, it necessarily follows that people are born NOT written in the Book of Life. Sadly, this looks like this is the brand of gospel popularly being preached to the world by majority of preachers. Let us try to see for ourselves whether Scriptures point to this same direction or not.  

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What does the Bible say God wants for all? 

 

NIV 1 Timothy 2: 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,  4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

The God Who wants all to be saved, is also the same God Who gave life to all men and took us out from the womb:

NIV Acts 17:25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.

NIV Psalm 22:9 Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast.

He is the same God Who determines where we are to be born and live:

NIV Acts 17:26 From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.

If indeed people are born not written in the Book of Life as the common answers suggest, is it then consistent with the will of God Who wants all men to be saved, the same God Who gives life to all, and the same God Who determines the exact places where we are to live, to cause the birth of one He knows will die with no knowledge about our Lord and is therefore destined for the lake of fire?

Scriptures tell of a question asked of the Lord about the wounds in His hands:

Zechariah 13:6    And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

Obviously, the one asking the Lord “what are these wounds in thine hands” has no knowledge about His crucifixion yet he is with the Lord!  This simply means  that  one who has no knowledge about the crucifixion of our Lord can also be with Him in the future instead of in the lake of fire.  This simply tells us his name is written in the Book of Life!  The Bible seems to point to a direction opposite to what the common answers point us to.

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Let’s consider the little children who die before the age of accountability. I have one such child who died 17 days after birth. If his name is not in the Book of Life as the common answers suggest, then he is bound for the lake of fire.   But Scriptures give me hope that is not the case.

Regarding the little children who know neither good nor evil, God Himself said:

KJV Deut 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it

Also, Jesus Himself said regarding the little children who know neither good nor evil:

KJV Matthew 18:3  . . . Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

KJV Matthew 19:14  . . . Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

So, is there any Biblical proof that little children who died before the age of accountability can make it to the new heaven and the new earth? The  prophet Isaiah recorded a future scenario that God Himself described:

NKJ Isaiah 11:6-9   6 " The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them.  7 The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox.  8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper's den.  9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.

In the scenario God Himself described, there will be little children in the new earth. From where are these little children? The little children in the new earth could not possibly be conceived in the new earth because there is no marriage after the resurrection (see Mt 22:30; Mk 12:25; Lk 20:35). We are then left with the inevitable conclusion that these are those who died before the age of accountability and were resurrected in the resurrection of the righteous. The fact that there will be little children in the new earth tells us their names are in the Book of Life, otherwise, they would have been thrown into the lake of fire.

KJV Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

NKJ Revelation 21:27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

The God Who said only those whose names are in the Book of Life can enter the new earth is the same God Who said there will be little children in the new earth. This simply means that little children are born with their names in the Book of Life. And because we all were once little children and God does not show partiality, we all were born with our names written in the Book of Life!!!

 Isn’t this good news, the gospel of God's love for all, the Gospel that Jesus wanted preached to the world before He comes again?

 To be continued next post . . .

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Just because little children were ordered slain does not mean they were not written in the Book of Life.  God also ordered Abraham to slay Isaac; it could not mean Isaac's name is not written in the Book of Life.

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Just because little children were ordered slain does not mean they were not written in the Book of Life.  God also ordered Abraham to slay Isaac; it could not mean Isaac's name is not written in the Book of Life.

If all children are born with their names written in the book of life, what do you do with Ezekiel 9:6 ?

Ezek 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. 
 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 
 9:6 Slay utterly old [and] young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom [is] the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which [were] before the house.

 

I really like this thread, Samie.

We cannot successfully lense God thru punishment  and retribution.

It plays to our own evil propensities and fears.

Everything and I mean EVERYTHING in the Holy Bible must go thru the filter of JESUS on the Cross to see GOD in clarity.

I believe that is the Key of knowledge Luke 11:52

EGW put it best

" Both the redeemed and the unfallen beings will find in the cross of Christ their science and their song. It will be seen that the glory shining in the face of Jesus is the glory of self-sacrificing love. In the light from Calvary it will be seen that the law of self-renouncing love is the law of life for earth and heaven; that the love which "seeketh not her own" has its source in the heart of God; and that in the meek and lowly One is manifested the character of Him who dwelleth in the light which no man can approach unto." Desire of Ages pages 19 and 20

GBU!

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Everything and I mean EVERYTHING in the Holy Bible must go thru the filter of JESUS on the Cross to see GOD in clarity.

Amen!!  And not just everything in the Holy Bible, but everything.

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First of all isaac was not slain, and if he were to be slain it would have been as a sacrifice not a retribution  for iniquity as was the case of those slain in Ezek 9-

Ezek  9:10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, [but] I will recompense their way upon their head.

Your notion that all are born with their names written in the book of life is not upheld by scripture,

Your example of Isaac does not address the problem Ezek 9:4 presents to your doctrine.

 

 

 

I really like this thread, Samie.

We cannot successfully lense God thru punishment  and retribution.

It plays to our own evil propensities and fears.

Everything and I mean EVERYTHING in the Holy Bible must go thru the filter of JESUS on the Cross to see GOD in clarity.

I believe that is the Key of knowledge Luke 11:52

EGW put it best

" Both the redeemed and the unfallen beings will find in the cross of Christ their science and their song. It will be seen that the glory shining in the face of Jesus is the glory of self-sacrificing love. In the light from Calvary it will be seen that the law of self-renouncing love is the law of life for earth and heaven; that the love which "seeketh not her own" has its source in the heart of God; and that in the meek and lowly One is manifested the character of Him who dwelleth in the light which no man can approach unto." Desire of Ages pages 19 and 20

GBU!

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Hello and GBU!

Jesus is altogether Lovely and not willing for any to perish. Scriptures can be provided upon request

Perish is not talking about this brief life.

It is talking about eternal LIFE!

So in the Light of Gods character and great deep love for us proven on the CROSS

It is the only way to go about saving us!

The GIFT is freely given to all.

It hinges on us our acceptance of what already GOD has set up for us.

The CROSS and the Book of LIFE are connected deeply.

I love this this thread!

 

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GFC, i have no objection to most of what you have said, but we must not adhere to a doctrine because it feels good and comforting.

Samie's contention that all are born with their names written in the book of life means that all children who die before the age of reason will be in Heaven.

 Ezek 9:4 shows that some children will not be sealed . God has not revealed why this is so. but we do know His justice is perfect He knows the end from the beginning, and He told Jeremiah that He knew him in the womb.  He knows the future character of all while they are still in the womb.

Do you really think that when God says"And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, [but] I will recompense their way upon their head.." (Ezek 9:10) that He was ordering their death to ultimately save them? 

 

Hi again jackson!

Do you really think that God is the kind of God that slaughter innocent children so they could get the eternal boot?

Like A Sadistic MANIAC most parents would not let their children  close to.

I grew up worshiping that God out of fear. God gave us a brain to reason the scriptures and a Sweet Spirit Who is called the COMFORTER.((good and comforting -I have scriptures available upon request))

 

JESUS is the TRUE GOD. We just saw symbols and tiny foreshadows  .. till JESUS died for you and me, in the HOLY BOOK.

All the Prophets before saw thru the glass darkly and veiled.

It still comforted them but it was only part of the puzzle.

In heaven all will be revealed  from the tiniest atom to the greatest Galaxies GOD is Love.

We wont have to suspend reasoning,compassion and  suitable to the situation  to say "God is good!'

We as as Christians grapple with scriptures like  bashing babies heads on rocks.

And it is not easy.

 I myself do not get life and love for HIM defining HIM as a Tyrant . Something is missing terribly.

God calls us to reason together.

His Character is up for scrutiny in the universe.

So what do I do? Check my senses at the door every time I open the Bible.

No No

not anymore of that nonsense!

I will wrestle with all  scriptures in the LIGHT of JESUS ON THE CROSS FOR ME AND OTHERS.

Anything outside of that is that doesn't work day to day where the rubber meets the road.

 

I personally believe that we are written in the Book of Life long before I stumbled across this thread cause I have looked in to it years earlier.

And I chimed in.

Great care and study and searching  and prayer and discussions is taken to my understanding this GOD that I heard of .. is GOD that JESUS faced time us with.

As I said we all have to grapple with things that do not make sense to us and we do truly go by faith that this is the GOD we trust our eternity with.

There are many verses and even stories that confound me and sometimes they have to be put on the shelf and dusted off later to look again.

I have to see JESUS on the Cross in all of this. I would give up all hope if I didn't do that.

GBU for asking and making me think to break it down to words here .. albeit imperfectly.

:)

 

 

 

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We all look at at the same book and arrive at different conclusions.

And what we see now .. we didn't see before.

And we all gravitate to different things in The Bible as varied and individual as our pinky prints.

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The God Who said only those whose names are in the Book of Life can enter the new earth is the same God Who said there will be little children in the new earth. This simply means that little children are born with their names in the Book of Life. And because we all were once little children and God does not show partiality, we all were born with our names written in the Book of Life!!!

 Isn’t this good news, the gospel of God's love for all, the Gospel that Jesus wanted preached to the world before He comes again?

 To be continued next post . . .

Question #2: Is there blotting out of names from the Book of Life?

 The answer is Yes. There is blotting out of names from the Book of Life.

 NKJ Exodus 32: 31Then Moses returned to the LORD and said, "Oh, these people have committed a great sin, and have made for themselves a god of gold!

32 "Yet now, if You will forgive their sin -- but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written." 

33 And the LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

But since all have sinned (Rom 3:23), does this mean all will be blotted out from the Book of Life?  This will lead us to the next question:

 Question #3: Who will not be blotted out from the Book of Life?

 Our loving Lord & Saviour answers:

 

NKJ Revelation 3:5 "He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

 What is it that we have to overcome?

 

NKJ Romans 12:21   21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

 Question #4: When is judgment rendered whether a name is to be blotted out from the Book of Life or not?

 Scriptures say:

 NIV Hebrews 9:27 . . . man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment

 Judgment comes after one dies; NOT while still alive. There’s hope while alive.  Again, this is Good News.

 Recapping, we all – Adam & Eve and all their descendants – were born with our names in the Book of Life and stays there for as long as one is alive.  Blotting out of names from the Book of Life occurs after one dies, but those who have overcome evil with good while alive will not be blotted out from it.

 To be continued next post . . .

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Hi again jackson!

Do you really think that God is the kind of God that slaughter innocent children so they could get the eternal boot?

Like A Sadistic MANIAC most parents would not let their children  close to.

I grew up worshiping that God out of fear. God gave us a brain to reason the scriptures and a Sweet Spirit Who is called the COMFORTER.((good and comforting -I have scriptures available upon request))

 

JESUS is the TRUE GOD. We just saw symbols and tiny foreshadows  .. till JESUS died for you and me, in the HOLY BOOK.

All the Prophets before saw thru the glass darkly and veiled.

It still comforted them but it was only part of the puzzle.

In heaven all will be revealed  from the tiniest atom to the greatest Galaxies GOD is Love.

We wont have to suspend reasoning,compassion and  suitable to the situation  to say "God is good!'

We as as Christians grapple with scriptures like  bashing babies heads on rocks.

And it is not easy.

 I myself do not get life and love for HIM defining HIM as a Tyrant . Something is missing terribly.

God calls us to reason together.

His Character is up for scrutiny in the universe.

So what do I do? Check my senses at the door every time I open the Bible.

No No

not anymore of that nonsense!

I will wrestle with all  scriptures in the LIGHT of JESUS ON THE CROSS FOR ME AND OTHERS.

Anything outside of that is that doesn't work day to day where the rubber meets the road.

 

I personally believe that we are written in the Book of Life long before I stumbled across this thread cause I have looked in to it years earlier.

And I chimed in.

Great care and study and searching  and prayer and discussions is taken to my understanding this GOD that I heard of .. is GOD that JESUS faced time us with.

As I said we all have to grapple with things that do not make sense to us and we do truly go by faith that this is the GOD we trust our eternity with.

There are many verses and even stories that confound me and sometimes they have to be put on the shelf and dusted off later to look again.

I have to see JESUS on the Cross in all of this. I would give up all hope if I didn't do that.

GBU for asking and making me think to break it down to words here .. albeit imperfectly.

:)

 

 

 

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Somehow Jesus read these same Old Testament texts, and came up with a view of God which is astoundingly beautiful.  One can only conclude that Jesus read the Old Testament very differently than we do.

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C.  The Gospel as Understood from the Book of Life

 Scriptures were provided pointing to the direction that we were born with our names in the Book of Life, and therefore we were born heaven-bound.  In-as-much-as we did NOTHING for our names to be written there, this is all God’s grace because grace is defined as the unmerited favor of God.

 As per Scriptures, when did the Father give us His grace?

 NKJ 2 Timothy 1: 9[God] has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began 10but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel

Yes, the Father SAVED us by His grace He gave us in Christ even BEFORE time began. No wonder, He has chosen us BEFORE the foundation of the world!

NKJ Ephesians 1:3-5   3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,  4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,  5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will

 The Father chose us BEFORE the foundation of the world, even before He created Adam & Eve!  This implies that He knew us before we were born!  

NKJ Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you . . .

Paraphrasing, contingent upon the death of Christ on the cross, God SAVED us by His grace before time began, and chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. This is evidenced by the fact that we were born with our names written in the Book of Life.   This is the Past Tense of Salvation, the First Dimension of the Gospel.

The Past Tense of Salvation is God’s work FOR man. All God’s grace; NOT an iota of human participation.  God did all through Christ; all men merely benefited.

NKJ 1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

Again, Scriptures declare: 

NKJ 2 Timothy 1: 9[God] has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began 10but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel

 The death of Christ reconciled us all to God:

NKJ Romans 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

 The death of Christ washed us clean from sin:

NKJ Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood

The death of Christ caused the forgiveness of all our sins:

NAS Colossians 2:13-14   13And when you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,  14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The death of Christ sanctified or made us holy and perfect in God’s sight:

NIV Hebrews 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

KJV Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Again, the Past Tense of Salvation is all God’s work for man through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, and evidenced by the writing of our names in the Book of Life , not an iota of man’s participation. How about the Present Tense of Salvation?

To be continued next post . . .

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The 2nd Dimension of the Gospel, the Present Tense of Salvation

If there is Past Tense of Salvation, there is also the Present Tense of Salvation:

NKJ 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

NKJ 2 Corinthians 2:15 For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing.

In the Past Tense of Salvation God worked FOR man, in the Present Tense of Salvation, God works IN man through the Holy Spirit; and man responds:

NKJ Philippians 2:13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

NKJ John 16:13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

If we commit any sin, the sin committed, having been forgiven at the cross, is not imputed against us:

NIV 2 Corinthians 5:18-19   18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:  19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

In fact, this sin committed God remembers NO MORE:

NKJ Hebrews 10:16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,“

17then He adds, "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."

The non-imputation of sin against us is Christ’s act of continually justifying us because He was raised for our justification:

KJV Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

But the act of sinning is proof enough that the person is NOT an overcomer yet. The sin committed is neither imputed nor remembered, but the person is reminded by that act of sinning that he has not yet overcome that evil with good.  And only overcomers will not be blotted out from the Book of Life.

NKJ Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

 NKJ Revelation 3:5 "He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

 In the Past Tense of Salvation, we were attached to Him Who is our Strength to overcome evil. It is in the Present Tense of Salvation, which is the 2nd Dimension of the Gospel, that we are to overcome evil with good.  We were empowered in the past tense,  we are to use that power to overcome evil in the present tense.

NKJ Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

 Attached to Him through Whom we are more than overcomers (Rom 8:37), we have His power to overcome evil (Phil 4:13; Rom 12:21).  But if at the end of one’s journey in life one is found to have not overcome evil with good, then he has no one else to blame but himself, for it is not a question of INABILITY, but one of REFUSAL to overcome evil with good.  His name will be blotted out from the Book of Life, dismembered from the body of Christ, expelled from membership in the family of God.

 We now go to the 3rd Dimension of the Gospel, the Future Tense of Salvation.

 To be continued next post . . .

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NKJ Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood

Samie, what do you think this means? 

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NKJ Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood

I think that to be washed clean from sin is to be forgiven from all sins. And that forgiveness was through the blood of our Lord Who through the sacrifice of Himself made a complete and perfect atonement for us all.  The old covenant teaches that through atonement sins are forgiven and cleanses us from all sins:

Leviticus 4:26  . . . and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him. see also Lev 4:20, 31, 35; 5:10, 13, 16, 18; 6:7; 19:22; Num 15:25, 28

Leviticus 16:30   For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.

 

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I think that to be washed clean from sin is to be forgiven from all sins. And that forgiveness was through the blood of our Lord Who through the sacrifice of Himself made a complete and perfect atonement for us all.  The old covenant teaches that through atonement sins are forgiven and cleanses us from all sins:

Leviticus 4:26  . . . and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him. see also Lev 4:20, 31, 35; 5:10, 13, 16, 18; 6:7; 19:22; Num 15:25, 28

Leviticus 16:30   For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.

 

In each of these verses, the priest makes atonement FOR a person, ruler, or the congregation which brought a sin offering.  The person for whom atonement is made, had to acknowledge his sin, and bring a sacrifice.  Today we "bring a sacrifice" WHEN we acknowledge our sin, and pray for forgiveness in the name of Jesus. 

Leviticus 16 describes Day of Atonement procedures.  Those included in the atonement, made on that Day, were those who had previously confessed their sins, and brought a sin offering. 

Samie really believes that everyone begins life with his/her name in The Book of Life, and therefore in a "saved' condition.  I don't fault him for sincerely held belief.  We have debated this issue several times on the forum.  Here is a link to one of the threads.  http://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/55768-whom-did-god-choose-when-were-their-names-written-in-the-book-of-life/

Robert holds the same belief. 

I wrote a study on this topic, which I posted on my own website.  Here is the link:  http://prophecyviewpoint.com/htdocs/Book Chapters/1-BOOK OF LIFE -Challenge.pdf

The argument always comes down to the children (mentally handicapped, and the ignorant).  I believe one MUST KNOWINGLY CHOOSE Christ as LORD, in order to be included in the kingdom.  Without that CHOICE - the inclusion of a child in the kingdom, is nothing more than manipulation - something I believe our God does not do. 

Adventists say that the children of believers will be saved.  But that does not seem just - either.  It's still manipulation of the individual child.

My answer is that all of those who lived and died without the opportunity to make AN INFORMED CHOICE, will be resurrected as "the rest of the dead" at the 8th millennium.  They will be governed by the redeemed, now consecrated as "priests of God and of Christ" (Rev. 20).  They will grow up, make their choice, and then either become citizens of the kingdom of God, or rebel as the members of the Gog/Magog army. 

Anyone wishing, can read the studies supporting my view of "The 8th Day" at prophecyviewpoint.com.  Blessings, Rachel Cory

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The Future Tense of Salvation – the 3rd Dimension of the Gospel – is where people are rewarded according to what each has done.  This will start when Christ returns:

KJV Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

NAS Revelation 22:12 "Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.

Our Lord said that the rewarding at the Second Coming is for “EVERY MAN”. I personally believe that “EVERY MAN” refers to everyone born into this world; not one single person exempted.

For the righteous – those whose names remained in the Book of Life – eternal life and ushered to heaven for the wedding of the Lamb.  All others will suffer the wrath of God and finally thrown into the lake of fire.

NKJ Romans 2:6-11   6 [God] "will render to each one according to his deeds":  7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;  8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness -- indignation and wrath,  9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;  10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.  11 For there is no partiality with God.

We now compare the Gospel popularly being preached with the Pure Gospel, the Gospel our Lord wanted preached to all the world before He comes again.

To be continued next post . . .

 

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I think that to be washed clean from sin is to be forgiven from all sins. And that forgiveness was through the blood of our Lord Who through the sacrifice of Himself made a complete and perfect atonement for us all.  The old covenant teaches that through atonement sins are forgiven and cleanses us from all sins:

Leviticus 4:26  . . . and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him. see also Lev 4:20, 31, 35; 5:10, 13, 16, 18; 6:7; 19:22; Num 15:25, 28

Leviticus 16:30   For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.

 

Hi Samie.  The reason I was asking this is that being washed cleaned from sin certainly seems like something someone would have to be alive and a participant of to experience.  For example, if I am dirty, and I take a bath, and wash with soap, I can be cleansed.  Clearly being washed clean from sin by the blood of Christ is a metaphor, and the metaphor would seem to include my participation, by way of repentance/ confession of sin, and accepting Christ.  Do you agree?

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Hi pnattmbtc;

Yes I agree, in that our participation is in that we were the ones cleansed. We merely benefited. The cleansing was through the atonement done at the cross; all by God's grace; NOT an iota of human participation.

KJV Romans 11:6   And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

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Comparison of the Popular Gospel with the Pure Gospel

The Popular Gospel teaches that unless one has faith and believes he cannot be attached to the Body of Christ. But faith is fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22) and Christ said that we can only bear fruit if we are attached to Him (John 15:4-5):

KJV Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith

NAS John 15:4-5   4a"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in Me.  5 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me, and I in him, he abears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing.

Sorry to say but it appears, the Popular Gospel teaches opposite to what the Lord teaches because while the Savior directly teaches “be attached first to bear fruit”, the popular gospel indirectly teaches “bear fruit first to be attached”.

In contrast, the Pure Gospel teaches we believe not to be attached but because we had been.

The Popular Gospel teaches that in order to be born again, man has to decide.  Therefore, the Popular Gospel teaches that to be born again depends upon the decision of man.

In contrast, the Pure Gospel teaches that we were born again through the resurrection of Christ and that it was God’s decision, not man’s:

NAS 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

The Popular Gospel indirectly teaches that people are born not written in the Book of Life and therefore people are born hell-bound until written.

The Pure Gospel directly teaches that people are born with their names in the Book of Life and therefore people are born heaven-bound until deleted.

So, which Gospel do you preach?

The apostle Paul preached the gospel of Christ (Rom 15:19) which to me is the Pure Gospel and warns of a curse  against the preaching of another  gospel:

NKJ Galatians 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

What gospel do you want to preach? If you are preaching the Popular Gospel, then your decision to preach the Pure Gospel from now on is adding one more to the side of truth to hasten the coming of our Lord.

KJV Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

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Yes I agree, in that our participation is in that we were the ones cleansed. We merely benefited. The cleansing was through the atonement done at the cross; all by God's grace; NOT an iota of human participation.

KJV Romans 11:6   And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

When I see the phrase, "washed us from our sins in His own blood", I understand this to mean being convicted of sin, repenting of sin, being forgiven, accepting Christ as one's personal Savior.  You don't think this expression has anything to do with this?

In particular, what does the word "wash" convey to you?  How can we be "washed" without existing?

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. . . How can we be "washed" without existing?

In the same way we were chosen before we existed, before the foundation of the world:

Ephesians 1:3-5   3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,  4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,  5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will

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. . . How can we be "washed" without existing?

In the same way we were chosen before we existed, before the foundation of the world:

Ephesians 1:3-5   3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlyplaces in Christ,  4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,  5having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will

Revelation 7:14 says:

I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
 

As John uses the phrase, this washing necessitates one's existing. 

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Revelation 7:14 says:

As John uses the phrase, this washing necessitates one's existing. 

Yes, our existence is in the Body of Christ to which we were attached on the cross (see Eph 2:11-19). You and I were not yet born then, but we were there (2 Cor 5:14, 15; Heb 2:9). The apostle Paul was not yet converted then but he was there; in fact he said, "I have been crucified with Christ" (Gal 2:20).

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