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GayatfootofCross
On 2/24/2018 at 5:22 PM, B/W Photodude said:

First of all, violence as I have posted many times, is often more often expressed by females. You lib types seem to choke on this, but I have posted many articles that looks at the evidence. More children are killed by their mothers. Women are just as involved in domestic violence. Even men going to war sometimes is promoted by feminists (research the White Feather campaign in Britain during the First World War. What boys need more is involvement with their fathers. But that often doesn't work out as they have been cast aside and government has become the husband of many women thru welfare and enforcement of child support. I even have posted how having more men involved in the church will save more of their family members, but we are content to have a gynocentric church.

 

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While this topic is about men's and women's issues, the following YouTube does get to where some may not like it, but it will quite graphically illustrate the issue.. You can always click out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2bCgunLEB4&t=28s

BTW, will post a separate thread on "SoyBoys"!

 

Love that look!

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bonnie
On 2/24/2018 at 7:22 PM, B/W Photodude said:

First of all, violence as I have posted many times, is often more often expressed by females. You lib types seem to choke on this, but I have posted many articles that looks at the evidence. More children are killed by their mothers. Women are just as involved in domestic violence. Even men going to war sometimes is promoted by feminists (research the White Feather campaign in Britain during the First World War. What boys need more is involvement with their fathers. But that often doesn't work out as they have been cast aside and government has become the husband of many women thru welfare and enforcement of child support. I even have posted how having more men involved in the church will save more of their family members, but we are content to have a gynocentric church.

 

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If I were to see my boys dressed like that I would know that it was a bid for attention they didn't feel they could get based on who they were.

Something has gone terribly wrong but it is not PC to try to go to the root of the problem. We have gone so far down this road now it is probably impossible for a redo. Feminizing the male mind or making the feminine mind more masculine hasn't worked out to well it seems.

Neither gender is without their share of faults and blame. Women are not blameless by virtue of their gender any more than men are guilty by virtue of their gender

 

 

 

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lazarus
2 hours ago, Geoarrge said:

These two links show us that people can kill a lot of people by other means than guns. Of course this is true but off topic. The thread is about school shootings. Why would you say mass killings in American schools are so much more frequent than in other developed nations?

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6 minutes ago, lazarus said:

These two links show us that people can kill a lot of people by other means than guns. Of course this is true but off topic. The thread is about school shootings. Why would you say mass killings in American schools are so much more frequent than in other developed nations?

Excessively liberal prescription, and insufficiently supervised usage, of antidepressants, allowing people to calmly rationalize homicidal thoughts.  If this thesis is true, then consideration of how massacres can be committed without firearms is absolutely on topic.  Why fewer mass shootings are on record before the 1980s doesn't fit with the idea that the availability of guns is a significant cause of these acts. The emergence of SSRI drugs fits the timeline better.

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bonnie
29 minutes ago, Geoarrge said:

 

Excessively liberal prescription, and insufficiently supervised usage, of antidepressants, allowing people to calmly rationalize homicidal thoughts.  If this thesis is true, then consideration of how massacres can be committed without firearms is absolutely on topic.  Why fewer mass shootings are on record before the 1980s doesn't fit with the idea that the availability of guns is a significant cause of these acts. The emergence of SSRI drugs fits the timeline better.

At one time we had three families on our very short block who had sons of similar age.  Very active and at least one could border on destructive. All of the parents had drugs pushed on them because of the very active behavior in school. All parents refused. The school did keep pushing and the parents kept refusing.One of the parents told me the school districts get additional funding based on the number of students that are defined as autistic,AHAD and other similar. How true or what amount I have never bothered to look up. The three boys on our block never received medication,or at least the kind that came from a bottle and went on to be pretty good boys in their teenage years.

When our youngest was in first grade he had a classmate that was not jokingly referred to as the next Charles Manson in training. He started first grade in the Catholic school and was kicked out because he was a danger to the other students. No father but a succession of "uncles". My sons teacher was tough as nails but most of the kids really liked her. She took his behavior for awhile and tried other tactics. Regardless of the right or wrong or how this is viewed she took care of his problem. She warned him that the next time she would put him over her knee and adjust his attitude for him. One morning he was destroying the classroom again and she calmly put her chair in the center of the room,put him over her knee and paddled him. Today she would probably land in jail. The student caused no further problem the rest of the year.For some reasons the emotional and mental problems he was supposed to be dealing with vanished,until the next year,different classroom,different teacher. Then it was back to behavior as usual.

There is no doubt that there are those that need medication but how many are medicated needlessly with some pretty powerful drugs?

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chilco

Will they also need to ban knives?

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/stabbing-rampage-at-pennsylvania-high-school-leaves-21-injured/

http://www.asumag.com/crime-bullying-prevention/former-student-gets-lengthy-prison-term-2014-stabbing-20-students

There is a huge problem,  but taking away guns from the honest citizens who would willingly give up their guns if legislated to do so, won't solve the problem --
Do you think the criminals would willingly give them up?  And if forced to do so, would they simply find other means -- maybe even something as awful as chemical s like the horror that is gripping Syria right now.

Guns do not ly at the root of the problem.   What is causing people to become so socially antagonistic?

 

Also the "feminization" of men is totally on the wrong track.

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Men commit more violent crime than women, by a mile. .. However – and this is the part that gets overlooked – almost twice as many men than women are the victims of violence.

 A 1994 University of Iowa paper by veteran criminal lawyer Alan Dershowitz reported that over 40% of US spousal murders are perpetrated by women
. Men make up over two-thirds of murder victims, 68%.
Right across the spectrum from global conflicts to solitary depression, violence is committed chiefly against men. The male rate of suicide is three times that of women, and rising. Suicide in men in their forties and fifties has risen 40% in ten years. And here, at least, in the midst of the gloom, a small beachhead of understanding may be being established: slowly, a conversation does seem to be beginning about the pressures unique to men; the cultural expectations that stoke the fire; the harmful terminology (‘man up’, etc) that boxes them in; the disintegration, vilification and ridicule of ‘traditional’ maleness. But there’s precious little sympathy, especially from war-weary feminists, and all but nothing in the way of support, although perhaps a creeping awareness has begun.

 

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B/W Photodude

I am trying hard to picture my teachers with guns. They were scary enough with rulers.

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B/W Photodude

Where Fatherlessness Manifests Into Violence

“At worst, when boys’ testosterone is not well-channeled by an involved dad, boys become among the world’s most destructive forces. When boys’ testosterone is well channeled by an involved dad, boys become among the world’s most constructive forces.”  

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/where-fatherlessness-manifests-into-violence/

It is not just in humans that this is a known phenomenon. It has been known that when you have a herd of rogue elephants, juveniles getting into trouble, putting an older bull elephant into the mix will settle down the behavior of the youngsters. While we like to think humans are different than animals, there are some characteristics which are shared. Apparently, the influence of Dad is one of them.

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lazarus
On 2/27/2018 at 3:44 PM, Geoarrge said:

 The emergence of SSRI drugs fits the timeline better.

This would true for other countries. It is not.

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lazarus
On 2/27/2018 at 8:59 PM, B/W Photodude said:

Where Fatherlessness Manifests Into Violence

“At worst, when boys’ testosterone is not well-channeled by an involved dad, boys become among the world’s most destructive forces. When boys’ testosterone is well channeled by an involved dad, boys become among the world’s most constructive forces.”  

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/where-fatherlessness-manifests-into-violence/

It is not just in humans that this is a known phenomenon. It has been known that when you have a herd of rogue elephants, juveniles getting into trouble, putting an older bull elephant into the mix will settle down the behavior of the youngsters. While we like to think humans are different than animals, there are some characteristics which are shared. Apparently, the influence of Dad is one of them.

Other countries have fatherless too!

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B/W Photodude

While other countries may have fatherless young men, the dynamics of different cultures make blanket statements regarding any issue a moot point. My comments generally are regarding the US, British crown colonies (Aus & Canada), and the UK. Even within this group, there is variability in the issues facing men and boys. Between Australia and the US, for instance, certain issues may rank different, but all are part of the discussion. Anyway, back to the issue of young men and violence:

http://ncfm.org/2018/03/news/murder-news/ncfm-member-tim-patten-how-to-keep-young-men-from-becoming-mass-killers/

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lazarus

What is the key variable in American culture that makes the  mixture of mental illness, SSRI's, Family dysfunction so deadly? We see the same combination of factors in other countries but not with the same devastating effect.

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CoAspen

The Nastiness

Trying to polarize people is not the solution either. As the children have been saying....you have done nothing and you won't do nothing...

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phkrause
On 3/13/2018 at 12:52 AM, CoAspen said:

Trying to polarize people is not the solution either. As the children have been saying....you have done nothing and you won't do nothing...

Excellent article :thumbsup:

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