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The Wanderer
5 hours ago, hch said:

The war with Iran will pit Michael Pence (King of the north) against Iran (king of the south)

last time I checked my map, the US was WEST of Iran

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hch
On 3/12/2019 at 12:26 PM, The Wanderer said:

last time I checked my map, the US was WEST of Iran

Babylon is east of Israel, but it was the King of the North way back then. Understanding, Bible prophecy is difficult when it is not understood as the Bible was intended to be understood by its Author.

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hch
On 3/12/2019 at 11:49 AM, APL said:

guessing...

So when Iran (ships from Chittim, i.e., King of the South ) attack the US fleet (King of the North) in the Persian Gulf and people start dying (as I have been warning since 2011) you will assume that it was a great guess?

Or When President Pence takes office in conjunction with this naval engagement, will that still be a great guess?

It is written that MY people perish for lack of knowledge. And so it happens...

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Gregory Matthews

No we will not give you the credit that you would earn by making a great guess.

You have been wrong so often that you would not deserve being thought to have  made a "great guess."  Under the rules of "probability" you will sooner or later be correct in what you say.  But, that will just be "probability" demonstrating the way it works.  It will not have anything to do with you.

In addition, it will not demonstrate that you understanding of the Biblical teaching is correct.  You will continue to be wrong as to what the Bible actually teaches.  You will likely continue to demonstrate that in the future.

 

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The Wanderer
3 hours ago, hch said:

It is written that MY people perish for lack of knowledge. And so it happens..

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JoeMo
3 hours ago, hch said:

It is written that MY people perish for lack of knowledge.

It is also written that many will perish because they chose to believe a lie rather than the truth.  In other words, they deceive themselves ....

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hch
12 hours ago, JoeMo said:

It is also written that many will perish because they chose to believe a lie rather than the truth.  In other words, they deceive themselves ....

It causes me great concern that I have been faithfully giving the warning for almost 10 years and it is about to overtake the naysayers as an overwhelming surprise.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-says-trump-playing-very-dangerous-game-and-risking-devastating-war/ar-AABlJOf?ocid=spartanntp

 

The first tweet that I remember on the #IanUSWar :

 

USA and Iran are going 2 go 2 war sooner than later, but it will be an overwhelming surprise to most folks when Iran pushes our wrong button

 

It has been 8 years and I'm still warning everyone who will hear... that it is coming and then thing will get really bad

 

 

Da 11:30  For the ships of Chittim [Iran] shall come against him] US King of North] : therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he[Pence] shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

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The Wanderer

hch, you cant "predict" something that was already happening and in the pipes since well before your alleged "prediction." The US has for a long time been at odds with Iran in varying degrees of intensity, and there will be wars and rumors of wars. - from Jesus in Mat 24.

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Gregory Matthews

Warning for almost 10 years:   As I have stated:  Probability suggests that sooner or later what you have predicted will happen.  Probability does not prove you to be correct.

 

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The Wanderer
39 minutes ago, Gregory Matthews said:

Warning for almost 10 years:   As I have stated:  Probability suggests that sooner or later what you have predicted will happen.  Probability does not prove you to be correct.

 

well, Jesus did say that there will be "wars & rumors of wars," and that makes me think that He has beat hch to the punch!

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JoeMo
6 hours ago, hch said:

It causes me great concern that I have been faithfully giving the warning for almost 10 years and it is about to overtake the naysayers as an overwhelming surprise.

It concerns us that we have been faithfully showing where you are wrong in your predictions and warnings; and when the end overtakes you it will be an overwhelming surprise.

OTOH, a war with Iran would indeed be devastating. And it is much more likely than Pence "standing up" in the presidency to save the world.

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hch

As prophecy nears or meets its final fulfillment, it would be so much better for God's faithful people to unite to declare the warning to the world (that is about to meet its maker) .

But that is not what is seen to be happening.

As the events foretold are coming upon us, rather than to study to see that this is the real deal, too many fault the messenger and reject the very message that is needed to prepare them for the unity of faith that is needed to proclaim the 3rd angel's message with power.

As it was in the days of Noah, the majority waited until it was raining before they had any interest in knowing the truthfulness of the message that they had treated with less attention than it deserved. But when they could not deny or explain away the rain, it was too late to make preparation to enter the ark. They had squandered their opportunity and too late realized that they could not undo their rejection of heaven's final warning.

Must History be repeated? No! A thousand times no! But history is being repeated by those who have set their stakes fast and refuse move them as the storm clouds are clearly gathering.  The storm is coming and the voice of warning is soon to cease. The final answer will be the final answer when it really matters.

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B/W Photodude
4 hours ago, hch said:

As prophecy nears or meets its final fulfillment, it would be so much better for God's faithful people to unite to declare the warning to the world (that is about to meet its maker) .

Not really convinced that Iran attacking US warships is really the warning we are to be giving. Don't be so wrapped up in the military skirmish that really is a minor event in the world today. There are far greater issues and concerns that people are missing. One pastor said not to look at the world for the nearness pf the coming of Jesus, but look at the church. The prophecies regarding the state of the church before the end are far more important to be watching than the world events, but even then not necessarily to preach it.

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Gregory Matthews

We fault the messenger in this thread because that messenger has demonstrated that he is worthy of fault.

 

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hch
15 minutes ago, Gregory Matthews said:

We fault the messenger in this thread because that messenger has demonstrated that he is worthy of fault.

 

You testify as to your rational for your fault finding. If you have honestly heard and been a faithful Christian, it will go well with you. But if you have misjudged the matter and your position influences others to do the same, it will not be well with your soul.

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hch
1 hour ago, B/W Photodude said:

Not really convinced that Iran attacking US warships is really the warning we are to be giving. Don't be so wrapped up in the military skirmish that really is a minor event in the world today. There are far greater issues and concerns that people are missing. One pastor said not to look at the world for the nearness pf the coming of Jesus, but look at the church. The prophecies regarding the state of the church before the end are far more important to be watching than the world events, but even then not necessarily to preach it.

It is up to the Holy Spirit to convince all of righteousness and truth. 

The only thing that I can do is to share what I have learned from Bible study. Yes, I found President Bush II in Bible study and thought it stopped with him. Yes, I found Benedict XVI in Bible study and announced in 2011 that he would not be pope past the spring of 2013. When he left office Daniel (7) and Revelation (13 & 17) clarified themselves very much with more in store. 

President Obama was a challenge because I could only follow Daniel 7 to Bush II. Then Revelation 13 explained Obama. Thus by Faith, I taught that Obama was the last President identified in Bible prophecy. WRONG Trump proved that so clearly.

WRONG, because of limited understanding but not because of presumption. The prophet states the 'by their fulfillment Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves.' When Trump became President, Revelation 13 explained Bush II, Obama, Trump and Pence in conjunction with Daniel 11. Faith is made strong and growth accompanies sound Bible study.

As God has led Adventists to understand 1843 and get it wrong, and to repeat the error in 1844, only to allow them to grow in faith & understanding by giving more light when they needed it: He has worked in the same way with my studies. At the appropriate time knowledge has increased. It is by FAITH that we grow in grace.

Those who rejected the messages in 1843 & 44 stopped going by faith and went by sight. They turned aside from following the Advent message.  'As the Lord has led us in our past history,' He is leading us now! We will either go forward by faith in the sure word of God or we will go astray. 

The 1844 Investigative Judgment message was a message based on faith in the word of God. And that is exactly how the closing work will be done. God is faithful and He leads us the same way He led our forefathers in the faith.

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JoeMo
7 hours ago, hch said:

As the events foretold are coming upon us, rather than to study to see that this is the real deal, too many fault the messenger and reject the very message that is needed to prepare them for the unity of faith that is needed to proclaim the 3rd angel's message with power.

If we went to the world and proclaimed the message as you "see" it, we would immediately be branded as kooks and lose all credibility - not only with the world; but with almost all Christians.

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Gregory Matthews

As has happened to the main author in this thread.

He has been wrong so many times that he has lost credibility.  He continues to do so.

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B/W Photodude
2 hours ago, hch said:

President Obama was a challenge because I could only follow Daniel 7 to Bush II. Then Revelation 13 explained Obama. Thus by Faith, I taught that Obama was the last President identified in Bible prophecy. WRONG Trump proved that so clearly.

True prophets are usually spot on with their prophecies. You are self-admittedly wrong at times. That qualifies us to disregard any further teachings from your pen, keyboard, etc. However, I am wondering why you feel you have to convince us all here that we should follow you when you are a self-admitted false prophet. This obsession with a relatively minor thing in the greater cosmic scheme of things makes me wonder if you are taking your meds.

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The Wanderer
36 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

True prophets are usually spot on with their prophecies. You are self-admittedly wrong at times. That qualifies us to disregard any further teachings from your pen, keyboard, etc. However, I am wondering why you feel you have to convince us all here that we should follow you when you are a self-admitted false prophet. This obsession with a relatively minor thing in the greater cosmic scheme of things makes me wonder if you are taking your meds.

the only real "warning" we have been getting from hch is how we will be "lost" if we dont believe his ever-changing theories. And I double-underline the word theories.

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The Wanderer
On 5/7/2019 at 6:45 AM, hch said:

Babylon is east of Israel, but it was the King of the North way back then. Understanding, Bible prophecy is difficult when it is not understood as the Bible was intended to be understood by its Author.

If its "east" then how can it also be "north?"  There is no logical explanation for this idea

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The Wanderer
4 hours ago, hch said:

You testify as to your rational for your fault finding. If you have honestly heard and been a faithful Christian, it will go well with you. But if you have misjudged the matter and your position influences others to do the same, it will not be well with your soul.

Its nothing to do with "fault-finding". We are trying to do fact checking here. You have stated over and over that "Babylon" was "King of The North", when it isnt and never was. It cant be because its physically EAST of Israel.

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Babylon is the most famous city from ancient Mesopotamia whose ruins lie in modern-day Iraq 59 miles (94 kilometres) southwest of Baghdad. The name is thought to derive from bav-il or bav-ilim which, in the Akkadian language of the time, meant ‘Gate of God’ or `Gate of the Gods’ and `Babylon’ coming from Greek. SOURCE

In this map, "Babylon" is marked in purple:

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Map of the ancient Near East during the Amarna Period, showing the great powers of the period: Egypt (green), Hatti (yellow), the Kassite kingdom of Babylon (purple), Assyria (grey), and Mittani (red). Lighter areas show direct control, darker areas represent spheres of influence. The extent of the Achaean/Mycenaean civilization is shown in orange. SOURCE
 

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copyright source Based on Wikipedia content that has been reviewed, edited, and republished. Original image by Briangotts. Uploaded by Jan van der Crabben, published on 26 April 2012 under the following license: Creative Commons: Attribution-ShareAlike. This license lets others remix, tweak, and build upon your work even for commercial reasons, as long as they credit you and license their new creations under the identical terms. Please note that content linked from this page may have different licensing terms

 

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JoeMo
On 5/7/2019 at 6:45 AM, hch said:

Babylon is east of Israel, but it was the King of the North way back then.

I happen to agree with hch on this assessment.  Babylon may be east of Israel; but the only safe way into Israel (i.e., without the risks of crossing the Arabian desert)  was from the north.  Read the prophecies of Jeremiah concerning where Babylon would attack from - it was the north.

"The Lord said to me, “From the north disaster will be poured out on all who live in the land.  I am about to summon all the peoples of the northern kingdoms,” declares the Lord.

“Their kings will come and set up their thrones
    in the entrance of the gates of Jerusalem;
they will come against all her surrounding walls
    and against all the towns of Judah." (Jer. 1:14-15)

"“Announce in Judah and proclaim in Jerusalem and say:
    ‘Sound the trumpet throughout the land!’
Cry aloud and say:
    ‘Gather together!
    Let us flee to the fortified cities!’
 Raise the signal to go to Zion!
    Flee for safety without delay!
For I am bringing disaster from the north,
    even terrible destruction.” (Jer. 4:5-6)

"I will summon all the peoples of the north and my servant Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon,” declares the Lord, “and I will bring them against this land and its inhabitants and against all the surrounding nations. I will completely destroy them and make them an object of horror and scorn, and an everlasting ruin." (Jer. 25:9)

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