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Anointing with the Holy Spirit

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WHO does the anointing?

Does anointing "with the Holy Spirit" mean that the Holy Spirit (as a third divine personality) does the anointing?  Does it mean the Holy Spirit (as a third divine personality) is sharing His power, or acting through the anointed one?  

 "God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him."(Acts 10:38)

In this verse "God" does the anointing.  So it depends upon your understanding of "God".   Jesus said, 

"The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me (Luke 4:18)    "He" - the LORD, has anointed Me.   The LORD does the anointing.  

Jesus said, "The Father who dwells in me, does the works" (John 14:10).  In this verse,  the Father Himself dwells IN Jesus, and does the miracles THROUGH Jesus.   Which seems to indicate that "the Spirit" with which Jesus was anointed, was "the Spirit OF God the Father".  

Jesus said,  "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;  (John 6:44).   Jesus does not say that the Father draws through the agency of a THIRD divine personal being.  Jesus just says "the Father . . . draws".   The Father is the actor - who does the drawing. 

Interesting that "the Father" draws men to Christ, who is then the only way to the Father.   No one is described as coming TO the Holy Spirit.   We come TO the Father, THROUGH Jesus Christ.  I see only TWO personal beings here.  

2 Corinthians 1:21 "Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God" .   You understanding of this verse will depend upon your prior understanding of who "God" is.  

WHO baptizes "with" the Holy Spirit?  Answer:  Jesus glorified.    Is this not the same as anointing WITH the Holy Spirit?  

Matthew 3:11 "I baptize you with water, for repentance, but the one coming after me is more powerful than I am – I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

Mark 1:8 "I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." 

Luke 3:16 "One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

John 1:33 "I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me,`Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.'" 

THE SEAL

John 6:27 "Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him." 

God the Father set His seal.  What is the Father's "seal"?   Answer:  the Holy Spirit.  The Father "set His seal" on His Son, at the baptism.  He poured His Spirit upon His Son, just as prophets anciently anointed priests and kings - with oil.  

Jesus was sealed BY His Father, WITH the Spirit.   And we - having believed are also sealed WITH the Holy Spirit.  The passage does not say that we are sealed BY the Holy Spirit.  

Ephesians 1:13 "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed WITH the Holy Spirit of promise,"

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The Wanderer

This looks like a good topic. I will look up all of those texts you referenced. 😉

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On 8/1/2018 at 6:37 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

Interesting that "the Father" draws men to Christ, who is then the only way to the Father.   No one is described as coming TO the Holy Spirit.   We come TO the Father, THROUGH Jesus Christ.  I see only TWO personal beings here

All right. I'll bite - gently, of course. :)

The first thought that comes to mind when I read this quote was that you have only mentioned part of the story in regards to "drawing people" to God. (whatever your particular understanding thereof is ok, for purpose of this post). Jesus also stated "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." (John 12:32) so this seems to suggest that we do have a part to play. (cf John 3:14)

I mention this next part with some trepidation because I know your take on The Holy Spirit; but the fact remains that The Holy Spirit's ROLE (not substance) is also very clear, for the simple reason of what Jesus Himself has stated about that:

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If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:15-17)

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Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:(John 16:7-8)

The Bible does tell us something about The ROLE of The Holy Spirit, but NOT the Substance. THAT is NEVER the focus of Scripture when talking about The Holy Spirit. God alone chooses in what way and what time and what reasons the Holy Spirit will present. THAT has nothing to do with us, or with what Jesus asks of us. It would stand to reason that IF Jesus says this is what The Holy Spirit is to do, that we should believe and teach the same.

I see Rev 3:18 as speaking about The Holy Spirit; as well as Luke 4:18 where the Bible gives us a small window to view the activity of The Holy Spirit IN Christ.

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The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,(Luke 4:18)

 

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8thdaypriest

Yes Wanderer,

You are aware that I believe the "comforter" that God the Father would send, is Christ glorified.  

It is HIS spirit - Christ's spirit - which the Father would send.  

   Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!" (NKJ)

 1 Corinthians 15:45 Thus it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (the Spirit Comforter always with us)

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The Wanderer
3 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

Yes Wanderer,

You are aware that I believe the "comforter" that God the Father would send, is Christ glorified.  

It is HIS spirit - Christ's spirit - which the Father would send.  

   Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!" (NKJ)

 1 Corinthians 15:45 Thus it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (the Spirit Comforter always with us)

well, I guess the one thing i would say now is that you are blurring the lines between Substance of Deity and ROLE of each Member of the Godhead. They are two very different things. Here, your post simply states the verses as if they intended to define Substance, and that has nothing to do with the author's intent on this and similar texts.

Also, Jesus was pretty clear when He said "Another Comforter."

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JoeMo

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever" (John 14:16)

[Jesus said] "lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matt. 28:20)

Equivalent statements, or just coincidence?

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8thdaypriest
On 9/25/2018 at 10:12 PM, JoeMo said:

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever" (John 14:16)

[Jesus said] "lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matt. 28:20)

Equivalent statements, or just coincidence?

Jesus spoke of His future glorified SELF in third person on more than one occasion - calling himself "He".  

He did this describing His glorious return.  (Ref: Mat. 16:27, 25:31; Mk 8:38, 9:31;  Lk 9:26, Lk 18:8;  Jn 6:62.)

 

        Let’s fill in the rest of Jesus statement to his disciples.

    John 14:15-20 “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another advocate [helper - comforter - counselor] to help you and be with you forever – the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in youI will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.  He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.  And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him (V.23) “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him” (NIV).        

            The presence and power of the glorified Christ - with them and in them, would prove the truth of all that the man Christ Jesus had said.  The future glorified Christ would glorify the man Jesus.  
    
        2.  The Father also, would “come to” the one who loved Jesus.  
          Jesus and His Father would make their home with the one who loves Jesus.  

            John echoed this statement when he wrote, “We abide in the Son and in the Father” (1Jn 2:24). “And truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ” (1Jn 1:3).  Conversely, Jesus said “He who hates Me hates My Father also” (Jn 15:23-24).  

            Does this suggest the Spirit to come, would be an entirely different being from the Son of God?  A third divine being?  For me it does not. John does not mention any fellowship with the Spirit, or any hatred of a third divine being.
 

 

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