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BlessedMan
On 1/12/2020 at 10:03 PM, B/W Photodude said:

I have read several times here that Sunday laws will not happen and no conflict over the day of worship will occur. We may wish to revisit those statements!

The article you referenced in the OP has this to say:

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"2019 has been hugely a successful year for the Vicar of Christ in his quest of uniting the worlds religions together under the banner of the Vatican. To Christian scholars this has been greatly expected over a very long period of time and at some point in history, it almost seemed impossible especially after a sitting Pope was arrested and imprisoned, that the Bible would be right on this."

We have long heard people, even on this forum who would say things like "Oh thats all impossible." And then we usually have to sit through long spiels about "muslims this, muslims that," or some such other things.

What one poster here has claimed

"Ellen White says", Desire of Ages page 124

Never can the cost of our redemption be realized until the redeemed shall stand with the Redeemer before the throne of God. Then as the glories of the eternal home burst upon our enraptured senses we shall remember that Jesus left all this for us, that He not only became an exile from the heavenly courts, but for us took the risk of failure and eternal loss

[said poster even has their "references" mixed up -its actually page 131.2 and, not page 124]

What The Source Really Does Say: The Context

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"Never can the cost of our redemption be realized until the redeemed shall stand with the Redeemer before the throne of God. Then as the glories of the eternal home burst upon our enraptured senses we shall remember that Jesus left all this for us, that He not only became an exile from the heavenly courts, but for us took the risk of failure and eternal loss. Then we shall cast our crowns at His feet, and raise the song, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing." Revelation 5:12.  {DA 131.2}

NOTE: The bolded, underlined text is what the poster left out, and infact, consistently leaves out such contexts in all of his "research" and "quotes…" regarding “EGW says...”

If a correct context were included, it would give an entirely different meaning to the cited passages being discussed, virtually every time. This is a common “apologetic” tactic that does nothing but confuse the truth, as well as detract from the OP of this thread.

The same poster maintains that

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"Everyone one of the quotes I've listed positions Christ as risking His eternal existence..."

The Actual Facts: Saying because of DA 124 (really pg 131) that “Ellen G White says that Christ could have failed” in His Incarnation is no different than trying to say “Jesus is sin” because the Bible says “He became sin for us.”

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For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Cor 5:21)

It would not be right to claim the Bible teaches Jesus was/is sin because of this one verse. That would be a foolish conclusion. Jesus took the penalty of sin; not in the least to mean He was, is, or will be "sin." Jesus was made sin for us. In other words, Jesus got what we deserved that we might get what He deserved!

Its no different with what said poster here is claiming that "Ellen White says." She doesn't teach "Jesus might have failed" anymore than she teaches we can eat horse meat, just because "horses" are mentioned in the Bible." (Jer 12:5)  

There are so many ways people like to twist her writings. My advice, if I had to give it would be read those writings for yourself. Don't take the word of half-quote "apologetics." We can safely assume that most times when people say such things about what "Ellen White says..." ; they usually have no idea what they are talking about, nor do they understand what she teaches about Christ and salvation. One sentence, out of context and isolated from its surrounding passages can be made out to pretty well say whatever we want about EGW and without even have to prove it; let alone be accurate.

Jesus Himself asked “If it be possible, please remove this cup from me...” Was Jesus Himself wondering if He might fail under the enormous load placed upon Him? It is NOT “wrong” for people to wonder what this might imply. If Christ’s Incarnation was truly vicarious, then why could He not have made a choice to stay in heaven and avoid that whole mess?  Thankfully, Jesus turned to The Father for help; but He still asked "Why have you forsaken me?"

Heavenly Beings had previously chosen to go it alone without God when there was "war in heaven?"  Wouldn't Jesus have the same choice available IF He chose to?

Admittedly “prophecy” assures us that Jesus would not fail, and if said poster would have shown the intended context of what they called "research” it would have been revealed that EGW also teaches the same things as Jesus did. Would ANYONE really be "wrong" for supposing that IF Jesus did choose to use only His incarnate "human strength" without depending on God, that He would have failed? Jesus Himself expressed concerns about that; but the good news is that every time He would turn to The Father, and be given the needs of the hour.

NONE of the quotes above, in objection to what "Ellen White says" has provided what the accusing poster seems to want them to say. Rather, all of those passages go into great detail about how we can trust Christ, and His Sacrifice, and that the cross was “enough.” All of those quotes, supposedly "showing" that "Jesus could have failed," are lifted (cherry-picked) from their INTENDED context and purpose, with no thought, whatsoever to the express facts that are written.

Just previous to what was supposedly “quoted” on pg 124 of Desire Of Ages, (actually pg 131) we read the following:

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Satan had questioned whether Jesus was the Son of God. In his summary dismissal he had proof that he could not gainsay. Divinity flashed through suffering humanity. Satan had no power to resist the command. Writhing with humiliation and rage, he was forced to withdraw from the presence of the world's Redeemer. Christ's victory was as complete as had been the failure of Adam. {DA 130.3}

So we may resist temptation, and force Satan to depart from us. Jesus gained the victory through submission and faith in God, and by the apostle He says to us, "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and He will draw nigh to you." James 4:7, 8. We cannot save ourselves from the tempter's power; he has conquered humanity, and when we try to stand in our own strength, we shall become a prey to his devices; but "the name of the Lord is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe." Proverbs 18:10. Satan trembles and flees before the weakest soul who finds refuge in that mighty name. {DA 130.4}

 

It is obvious by her writing, in context, that IF Jesus, or any one of us try to do whats needed in our own, human strength, we would utterly fail. Jesus would have failed had He not, like we are supposed to as well, depended upon The Father to see Him through, Jesus depended upon His angel at His side “strengthening Him.” (think Gesthemane). Jesus was both divine and human; and He had to choose to not use His divinity. He depended upon God’s promises, and lived by God’s Word and the power of that Word to effect our salvation on Calvary. (Mat 4:4)

"His experience is to be our's." THIS is what Ellen White says..."

A Note About The OP

I have newspaper clippings from the early 90s or so about the very strongly Papal directed efforts fighting for enforcement of Sunday keeping by the civil powers, and whenever in history the Vatican has been enabled to get away with such things, and then someone questions them on it or critcises them for doing it;  all they do then is to blame the "civil authority" in question for passing the law.

What is this kind of monkey business called anywhere else in the world when someone tries to pass off the edicts of any civil authority as "God's will? "The Vatican is clearly, and historically wrong in constantly trying to get civil authorities to legislate Catholic edicts which mandate all citizens to adopt "the Sunday obligation."

Personally; I do not accept so called Vatican Sovereignty. I do not accept The Vatican as a "nation," with any kind of "diplomatic" rights. They are a church that coopts civil authorities, for Roman Catholic purposes, insofar as a given country will allow. At best, "Vatican State" is  a city.

Why can't other cities be a sovereign nation?

Why cant other churches have a city as a sovereign entity?

I don't see how anyone can deny what's actually going on here.

 

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BlessedMan
On 1/12/2020 at 10:03 PM, B/W Photodude said:

Pope Francis 2020 plan is to rally Nations behind Climate change and Sunday law

 

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As long ago as 1989, The UN was pumping out the dire warnings about global climate catastrophy: an AP News story from June 30th, 1989 says ""entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth if the state of global warming is not reduced by the year 2000."

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BlessedMan
On 1/30/2020 at 8:19 PM, BlessedMan said:

We have long heard people, even on this forum who would say things like "Oh thats all impossible." And then we usually have to sit through long spiels about "muslims this, muslims that," or some such other things.

 

On 1/30/2020 at 8:19 PM, BlessedMan said:

NOTE: The bolded, underlined text is what the poster left out, and infact, consistently leaves out such contexts in all of his "research" and "quotes…" regarding “EGW says...”

If a correct context were included, it would give an entirely different meaning to the cited passages being discussed, virtually every time. This is a common “apologetic” tactic that does nothing but confuse the truth, as well as detract from the OP of this thread.

"Climate Change" is now the newest way, and I fear, the biggest ever way that Rome has come up with to, yet again, attempt to colonize the world. History reveals the many disastrous attempts of Rome to do this in the past. Here in Canada, it has been frightening to see what has been done in the past. Colonizing is really the best word for this whole mess.

Their apparent success varies, depending upon which country is being talked about.

Its got to the point now, where "climate change" is being touted as the main spring board for the push to have governments around the world adopt and enforce Catholic Social Doctrines. Pope Francis has even suggested adding a chapter on "Ecological Sin" to the official Catechism of the Catholic Church.

It is my understanding that the US Constitution "guarantees liberty of conscience."

Nothing is clearer or more fundamental.

Or, at least until recently.

But even as long ago as Pope Pius IX., (in his Encyclical Letter of August 15, 1854), Pius IX has said:

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'The absurd and erroneous doctrines or ravings in defence of liberty of conscience, are a pestilential error–a pest, of all others, most to be dreaded in a State.'

The same pope, in his Encyclical Letter of December 8, 1864, anathematizes 'those who assert the liberty of conscience and of religious worship,' also as 'all such as maintain that the church may not employ force.'"

Another voice tells us:

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"The pacific tone of Rome in the United States does not imply a change of heart. She is tolerant where she is helpless. Says Bishop O'Connor:

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'Religious liberty is merely endured until the opposite can he carried into effect without peril to the Catholic world.' (#1, #2, #3).

Perhaps now we have a much better idea on why some seek to "discredit" EGW and make her writings out to say things she never intended?

The Archbishop of St. Louis once said:

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'Heresy and unbelief are crimes; and in Christian countries, as in Italy and Spain, for instance, where all the people are Catholics, and where the Catholic religion is an essential part of the law of the land, they are still punished a number of ways for "not believing."

In the past "there was fierce opposition to the Reform Movement, so it never really took a permanent hold in some countries. The Jesuits in Italy, and especially the Spanish Inquisition, were particularly adamant in their opposition to Reformed ideas." Protestantism never did really take off in many EU nations thanks to RCC brinkmanship and colonizing.

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Current research reveals:

"The European countries with the largest shares of Catholics are mostly located in southern and central Europe. For example, at least three-quarters of adults in Poland (87%), Italy (78%) and Portugal (77%) identify as Catholic, as well as majorities in Spain (60%) and Hungary (56%). But there are exceptions to this pattern: Ireland is 72% Catholic, and 75% of Lithuanians are Catholic. There are also sizable Catholic populations scattered throughout the rest of the continent, including in the United Kingdom and the Netherlands (19% each), as well as Ukraine (10%). (Most Ukrainian Catholics identify with the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, an Eastern Rite church that adheres to some traditions of Orthodox Christianity but is in full communion with the Vatican.)"

 


Every cardinal, bishop or priest in the Catholic Church takes an oath of allegiance to the Pope, in which occur the following words:

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Heretics, schismatics, and rebels to our said Lord (the pope), or his aforesaid successors, I will to my utmost persecute and oppose.'"

This is exactly what Roman Catholic Priests are commanded to do. In his Encyclical Letter published in 1885, Pope Leo XIII. Says:

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"All Catholics should do all in their power to cause the constitutions of States, and legislation, to be modelled on the principles of the true church, and all Catholic writers and journalists should never lose sight, for an instant, of the above prescriptions."(#1, #2)

Am I just misquoting relics of the ancient past?

Is this what The Roman Catholic Church teaches today?

In May 1997, Cardinal Basil Hume, spiritual leader of Roman Catholics in Great Britain, spoke at Canterbury Cathedral. In the presence of the Archbishop of Canterbury, he stated publicly that the "primacy of the Pope" was a necessary ingredient of any move toward Christian [so-called] unity involving Rome. "Full communion" with Rome only means one thing. Capitulation, and surrender to "the Roman Church." There is no such thing as actual "unity" with RCCs. It has to be their way or the highway. "Full communion" with Rome only means one thing; and its NOT "ecumenical." And its not "dialogue." (no matter how many times they say those words).

In the past; and even now to an extent, we have many people think that all they have to do to "be Christian," is to just say the word Jesus in front of anything they wish to do or say, and then presto! Its suddenly "Christian." (compare Isa 4:1). Almost like an incantation. Could there be witchcraft in the church? (1 Sam 15:23). This religious artifact of wanting to be called "Christian" is bandied about like a trophy once it's obtained. Ever heard of "trophy baptisms?"

Wanting to be called "Christian" has largely been subverted now by the rising of the climate phoenix of Rome as a "new" "ecumenical" version of "unity," or, more commonly, called "the common good."  

NOW what we are seeing is the word Jesus being replaced with the word "climate" "climate change," or sometimes "green" or "going green."  Just say those words in front of any issue you want; and BINGO. We have exactly what we are seeing in the news today. Infectious diseases, and all manner of social ills are now being called "climate" issues, and propagated to the characterizations of our "modern" climate agenda and going green mantras. Every one of which finds confluence in "The Pope's Encyclical On Climate Change."

It is only a matter of time before the now being proposed "common good" becomes the New World Order. Every conceivable major issue we have before us today as a society now has the divine words "climate change" attached to them. And every step along the way to "going green" even the tiniest steps, are monetized down to the smallest, possible detail. Some people are even calling this "The Fourth Reich," in deference to the new industrial revolution of The Third Reich. "Climate specialists" are increasingly calling for a "WW2 like response" to "climate change." (think "Extinction Rebellion," "Climate Psychologist" and many others). The Vatican and The UN are gunning for the fourth major world-wide industrial revolution. Is it going to be "The Fourth Reich?"

(ever notice how no one asks what the 1st or 2nd Reich were?). And BTW the outfit called Extinction rebellion has been declared a terrorist/extremist organization.

As with most professions in the realms of "science;" Veterinarians are even caving in to the agenda. They too are now considered as part of "the climate science."

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“Climate change," coupled with other human environmental changes like urbanization and habitat destruction, is bringing us closer to wildlife,” said Dr. Katie Clow, a professor at the Ontario Veterinary College at the University of Guelph. So now we have Veterinarians giving us the same mantra about the "climate change" emergency.

Interesting how Big Media has peppered us for the past week or so re coronavirus, and then hit us this week with how "climate change" is causing more infectious diseases, in particular, vector-borne viruses.

And the same week Netflix comes out with a "Pandemic" Movie. Facebook is "promising" to remove any "false information" about the "corona virus." Big Media is obviously all in on this. Those who have their phones glued to their noses all the time are bound to be deceived by the media hype of the moment. The timing of this hype re "corona virus" is very interesting. It is being touted as something that needs "international" efforts, as in transnational efforts. "No one country" can fight it alone. (apparently). While that point is debatable, why are we suddenly hearing, from multiple fronts, that no country can survive alone or by itself? What will they think of next that will require "transnational" solutions to "the common threat?"  corona virus = "common threat" interesting timing

(note, the above comment is NOT making a statement that the corona virus is not a threat. It certainly is. But its important to think about how certain people will take advantage of it)

The New Age New World Order is already here, by means of various compiled crises and compulsory consciousness-changing. Economy-Ecology-Ecumenism - the trinity of processes which are now being sought by The UN and Rome, in partnership. They are BOTH the same thing now. There is no difference between the UN and Rome, in terms of objectives. The "news" we are seeing will increase their scope, there will be ever-bigger numbers joining "inter-faith" environmental ministries ("greening of religion") or even the re-emerging mythological Great Mother Earth-Goddess/Gaia movement, (think Amazon Synod).

We are now seeing many  people believing, out of fear, and desperation, the false promise to bring forth a Utopian world of health and happiness (wellness-wholeness), peace and prosperity, and harmony and unity -- or as some have described it: "The Golden Dawn."

One modern terminology for this could be just called "The Anthropocene."

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The Anthropocene is a proposed geological epoch dating from the commencement of significant human impact on Earth's geology and ecosystems, including, but not limited to, anthropogenic climate change. As of June 2019, neither the International Commission on Stratigraphy (ICS) nor the International Union of Geological Sciences (IUGS) has officially approved the term as a recognised subdivision of geologic time. (from GoldenDict).

And guess who wants to "redefine" The Anthropocene?"

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Redefining the Anthropocene

Pope Benedict XVI said:

“The ecological crisis offers a historic opportunity to develop a common plan of action aimed at orienting the model of global development toward greater respect for creation and for an integral human development inspired by the values proper to charity in truth”. Caritas can be understood as a duty of love for God; for creation; and for one’s neighbour. In this interconnected world, our neighbour could be on a different continent. Or indeed, yet to be born. Our duty of care is no longer bounded by traditional spatial or temporal limits.

Almost all faiths and societies share similar notions of responsibility. Embracing this duty will provide a bridge to common understanding between groups which have, at times, found it easier to focus upon their differences. We don’t have the luxury of millennia to think about it: we need to zoom right back in to the here and now, and start making changes to the way we live on, use, and understand our planet. But let us take some hope from our definition of the Anthropocene.

If we live in a human-made age,we may have the power to re-make it, too." (compare this to Islamic declaration below)

 

Political scholars now commonly refer to The Vatican's "diplomatic status" and activities throughout the world as

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"The Pope's Own Hand Outstretched."

"The unconventional nature of Holy See diplomats rests in the composite character of their ecclesiastical role as the Pope’s representatives and their legal diplomatic status and commencement to ordinary diplomatic practice. Holy See diplomacy is a form of conduct created by a set of mixed secular and religious standards in which agents are guided by practices.

Pope John XXIII (1966: 106) referred to the role of the nuncio (the papal ambassador) as ‘The Pope’s own hand outstretched’ to the world of states. Popes before him made similar statements, and the ones after him keep echoing variations of it. The acclamation for the expansion of diplomatic missions, for instance, is a common pattern of the pope’s annual addresses to the diplomatic corps accredited at the Holy See. Although the papacy is one of the oldest participants in the international society of states, its diplomatic engagement may perplex, as international society is assumed to be a secular compound. Still, the trajectory of the papacy’s diplomatic entanglement in international society has been constitutive in forming the diplomatic system.

Unlike other organised religions,the Holy See global outreach is highly institutionalised, rests on formal diplomatic representations around the globe equal to embassies and acknowledged by international law. Whereas ordinary diplomats are serving the goals of a territorial unit, the unconventional nature of Holy See diplomats is nested in the hybrid character of their ecclesiastical role as the Pope’s representatives and their legal diplomatic status and commencement to ordinary diplomatic practice. Their papal patron’s global perspective renders them unusually dedicated to influencing the conditions beyond their principal’s immediate possessions (such as a territory).
(Jodok Troy, Department of Political Science, University of Innsbruck, Universitätsstraße 15, 6020 Innsbruck,Austria).

 

As far as prophecy goes, we are almost there.

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"And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth." (Rev 17:18)

If you are interested in further research on the sordid history of "Sunday legislation"  (in Canada), try looking at

1) How Canada's 'blue law' busybodies boss you on Sunday (Liberty magazine, November, 1955) 

2) 1975 Ontario's Progressive Conservative government introduces a law (the Retail Business Holidays Act) 

3) Sunday closing blamed on Christian intolerance (Toronto Star front page, February 26, 1987) 

4) 'A matter of choice' Fitzgerald argues (Welland Evening Tribune, August 30, 1988) 

5) Court upholds Ontario store-closing law (Toronto Star, March 21, 1991) 

6) Grocers, retailers open this Sunday (Toronto Star, June 4, 1992).

There are literally hundreds more).

Yes, I know, many municipalities have since rescinded said "Blue Laws" for the time being. Some even on this forum say thats why "Rome" will not be able to garner "sunday laws" from civil authorities in the end times. But none of that indicates anything about Islam; except as it would pertain to how Muslims are also joining forces with the Vatican on matters of "climate change." "Climate Change" is the issue by which Islam will find confluence in the Roman, global objectives.

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Islamic Declaration On Climate Change:   

Pages 7&8 of this Islamic, "climate change" declaration says it this way:

3.5 We call on all groups to join us in collaboration, co-operation,and friendly competition in this endeavour,and we welcome the significant contributions taken by other faiths, as we can all be winners in this race –

  نِكَلَوِتاَرحـيَحلْااوُقِبَتحساَفمُكاَتآاَمِفحمُكَوُلحـبَيِّل

But that He (God) may try you in that which He has given you: So vie with one another in doing good deeds.Qur’an 5: 48

If we each offer the best of our respective traditions, we may yet see a way through our difficulties.

 

It is essential to note how that the people whose desire for those laws about "The Sunday Obligation" in order to fight "climate change" and the religious entities behind said desires and legislations are, literally chomping at the bit, simply waiting for the chance to do it again. What better way to accomplish this, than under the umbrage of "climate emergency" and global, "common good?" I don't see how anyone can deny that this is where The Vatican is headed. Its why I said in another topic when it comes to "climate change, you heard it first at Church.

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"There will soon be an awakening that will surprise many. Those who do not realize the necessity of what is to be done will be passed by and the heavenly messengers will work with those who are the common people, fitting them to carry the truth to many places. NOW is the time for us to awake and do what we can." (15MR 312.4)

It is interesting to note that Ellen White here was talking about the work in Canada, and a "Brother Burill" who "speaks of the Sunday question that is soon to be met there."

Folks, "the Sunday question" is NOW before us all.

Its not coming "soon." Its not coming "sometime" in the near or far future.

"The Sunday Question."

Its here NOW.


1/ California bishops call Catholics to 'ecological spirituality'

2/ Earth Day 2019: We are stewards of Creation, and we must act like it

3/ World needs Pope Francis' leadership as Earth Overshoot Day moves up, revealing massive environmental debt

4/ Gaia Movement and vatican

see also Earth Charter

5/ Now here is one final, very interesting tidbit:

WARNING: Have you heard about the secret danger about to destroy the Vatican?
Forebodings of Rev 18:8?

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"Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her."

According to the Bible; Jesus is our Friend in court!

The Holy Spirit is our Friend on Earth!

Its no wonder some are striving so hard to demolish the doctrine on The Holy Spirit. We will be defenceless without Him!!

(John 16:7-8, NiRV)

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"Unless I go away, the Friend will not come to help you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
When he comes, he will prove that the world's people are guilty. He will prove their guilt concerning sin and godliness and judgment."

Are you worried about how children are being used by the Green Agenda?

Maybe its time to start thinking about HOW God is going to use young people for the everlasting gospel agenda!

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The outpouring of the Holy Spirit which was to attend the preaching of the gospel by the followers of Christ was announced by the prophet in these words: "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My Spirit. And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come." Joe_2:28-31. {PP 22.1}

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#1/ the power, then, of expelling heresy is an essential factor in the constitution of the Church. Like other powers and rights, the power of rejecting heresy adapts itself in practice to circumstances of time and place, and, especially, of social and political conditions.

#2/ civil censorship of books was the law back in around 300AD

#3/ Regarding Persecution Of Heretics:

The charge of cruelty is also easy to meet. All repressive measures cause suffering or inconvenience of some sort: it is their nature. But they are not therefore cruel. The father who chastises his guilty son is just and may be tender-hearted. Cruelty only comes in where the punishment exceeds the requirements of the case. Opponents say: Precisely; the rigours of the Inquisition violated all humane feelings. We answer: they offend the feelings of later ages in which there is less regard for the purity of faith; but they did not antagonize the feelings of their own time, when heresy was looked on as more malignant than treason. (RCCs tend to blame "civil powers" for any laws that support Rome). In proof of which it suffices to remark that the inquisitors only pronounced on the guilt of the accused and then handed him over to the secular power to be dealt with according to the laws framed by emperors and kings. Medieval people found no fault with the system, in fact heretics had been burned by the populace centuries before the Inquisition became a regular institution. And whenever heretics gained the upper hand, they were never slow in applying the same laws: so the Huguenots in France, the Hussites in Bohemia, the Calvinists in Geneva, the Elizabethan statesmen and the Puritans in England. Toleration came in only when faith went out; lenient measures were resorted to only where the power to apply more severe measures was wanting.

 

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JoeMo
On 2/1/2020 at 6:29 PM, BlessedMan said:

"Climate Change" is now the newest way, and I fear, the biggest ever way that Rome has come up with to, yet again, attempt to colonize the world.

Yup. As a member of the globalist conspiracy, the Papacy (and other religious leaders)  will make it a moral/religious issue to combat climate change while the globalist geopolitical crowd will make it a rallying point for global government.

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On 1/30/2020 at 7:19 PM, BlessedMan said:

The article you referenced in the OP has this to say:

We have long heard people, even on this forum who would say things like "Oh thats all impossible." And then we usually have to sit through long spiels about "muslims this, muslims that," or some such other things.

What one poster here has claimed

"Ellen White says", Desire of Ages page 124

Never can the cost of our redemption be realized until the redeemed shall stand with the Redeemer before the throne of God. Then as the glories of the eternal home burst upon our enraptured senses we shall remember that Jesus left all this for us, that He not only became an exile from the heavenly courts, but for us took the risk of failure and eternal loss

[said poster even has their "references" mixed up -its actually page 131.2 and, not page 124]

What The Source Really Does Say: The Context

NOTE: The bolded, underlined text is what the poster left out, and infact, consistently leaves out such contexts in all of his "research" and "quotes…" regarding “EGW says...”

If a correct context were included, it would give an entirely different meaning to the cited passages being discussed, virtually every time. This is a common “apologetic” tactic that does nothing but confuse the truth, as well as detract from the OP of this thread.

The same poster maintains that

The Actual Facts: Saying because of DA 124 (really pg 131) that “Ellen G White says that Christ could have failed” in His Incarnation is no different than trying to say “Jesus is sin” because the Bible says “He became sin for us.”

It would not be right to claim the Bible teaches Jesus was/is sin because of this one verse. That would be a foolish conclusion. Jesus took the penalty of sin; not in the least to mean He was, is, or will be "sin." Jesus was made sin for us. In other words, Jesus got what we deserved that we might get what He deserved!

Its no different with what said poster here is claiming that "Ellen White says." She doesn't teach "Jesus might have failed" anymore than she teaches we can eat horse meat, just because "horses" are mentioned in the Bible." (Jer 12:5)  

There are so many ways people like to twist her writings. My advice, if I had to give it would be read those writings for yourself. Don't take the word of half-quote "apologetics." We can safely assume that most times when people say such things about what "Ellen White says..." ; they usually have no idea what they are talking about, nor do they understand what she teaches about Christ and salvation. One sentence, out of context and isolated from its surrounding passages can be made out to pretty well say whatever we want about EGW and without even have to prove it; let alone be accurate.

Jesus Himself asked “If it be possible, please remove this cup from me...” Was Jesus Himself wondering if He might fail under the enormous load placed upon Him? It is NOT “wrong” for people to wonder what this might imply. If Christ’s Incarnation was truly vicarious, then why could He not have made a choice to stay in heaven and avoid that whole mess?  Thankfully, Jesus turned to The Father for help; but He still asked "Why have you forsaken me?"

Heavenly Beings had previously chosen to go it alone without God when there was "war in heaven?"  Wouldn't Jesus have the same choice available IF He chose to?

Admittedly “prophecy” assures us that Jesus would not fail, and if said poster would have shown the intended context of what they called "research” it would have been revealed that EGW also teaches the same things as Jesus did. Would ANYONE really be "wrong" for supposing that IF Jesus did choose to use only His incarnate "human strength" without depending on God, that He would have failed? Jesus Himself expressed concerns about that; but the good news is that every time He would turn to The Father, and be given the needs of the hour.

NONE of the quotes above, in objection to what "Ellen White says" has provided what the accusing poster seems to want them to say. Rather, all of those passages go into great detail about how we can trust Christ, and His Sacrifice, and that the cross was “enough.” All of those quotes, supposedly "showing" that "Jesus could have failed," are lifted (cherry-picked) from their INTENDED context and purpose, with no thought, whatsoever to the express facts that are written.

Just previous to what was supposedly “quoted” on pg 124 of Desire Of Ages, (actually pg 131) we read the following:

It is obvious by her writing, in context, that IF Jesus, or any one of us try to do whats needed in our own, human strength, we would utterly fail. Jesus would have failed had He not, like we are supposed to as well, depended upon The Father to see Him through, Jesus depended upon His angel at His side “strengthening Him.” (think Gesthemane). Jesus was both divine and human; and He had to choose to not use His divinity. He depended upon God’s promises, and lived by God’s Word and the power of that Word to effect our salvation on Calvary. (Mat 4:4)

"His experience is to be our's." THIS is what Ellen White says..."

A Note About The OP

I have newspaper clippings from the early 90s or so about the very strongly Papal directed efforts fighting for enforcement of Sunday keeping by the civil powers, and whenever in history the Vatican has been enabled to get away with such things, and then someone questions them on it or critcises them for doing it;  all they do then is to blame the "civil authority" in question for passing the law.

What is this kind of monkey business called anywhere else in the world when someone tries to pass off the edicts of any civil authority as "God's will? "The Vatican is clearly, and historically wrong in constantly trying to get civil authorities to legislate Catholic edicts which mandate all citizens to adopt "the Sunday obligation."

Personally; I do not accept so called Vatican Sovereignty. I do not accept The Vatican as a "nation," with any kind of "diplomatic" rights. They are a church that coopts civil authorities, for Roman Catholic purposes, insofar as a given country will allow. At best, "Vatican State" is  a city.

Why can't other cities be a sovereign nation?

Why cant other churches have a city as a sovereign entity?

I don't see how anyone can deny what's actually going on here.

 

Look forward to answering this as soon as time allows :)

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1 hour ago, Gustave said:

Look forward to answering this as soon as time allows :)

I'm ready, anytime. :D

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On 1/26/2020 at 1:18 PM, JoeMo said:

From the article:

"“And he [USA] exerciseth all the power of the first beast [Rome] before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast [Rome], whose deadly wound was healed.” Revelation 13:12."

Inserting the parentheticals [USA] and [Rome] into this scriptural verse IMHO is twisting scripture.  We are admonished not to add or subtract from scripture.  It could be argued that the USA is never mentioned at all in scripture. 

Joe, if you do not think the lamb like beast is not USA; then can you tell me what other animal it could be? When I think of a lamb like horn I see horns that are just starting to be notice. Am I wrong or do you have another suggestion?

Happy Sabbath!

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On 1/24/2020 at 1:14 AM, Gustave said:

The 7th day Sabbath is the "First of Feasts" according to Judaism, which bases this understanding off of Leviticus 23. https://www.ou.org/holidays/shabbat/why_the_sabbath/

http://www.jewfaq.org/shabbat.htm

Romans 2 is telling us that there are two parts to the law, a moral part and a ceremonial or "ritual" part. The point being that Gentiles who did not have the Scriptures were obeying the law because it was written on their hearts. As Trent said, man was not commanded by nature to externally worship God on that day. Therefore, a Gentile who didn't  participate in ceremonial or ritual Sabbath observance was still said to do what the law required. 

God said it was to be unto them (the Israelite's) a holy day. Them is not everyone, it's specific, which is exactly what the Catechism of Trent says. 

Ezekiel 20, 10:  Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

 

 

Gustave: You are so right and Adventist are so wrong! Why? Because the word feast is a pagan Roman word that was placed in the Bible. It was placed in the original Vulgate Bible that was translated between the 3rd-4th Century AD by the Roman Catholic Church. Here is the proof:

The Vulgate is a Latin version of the Holy Bible, and largely the result of the labors of St Jerome (Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus), who was commissioned by Pope Damasus I in 382 A.D. to make a revision of the old Latin translations. VULGATE: The Holy Bible In Latin Language With Douay-Rheims English Translation

Now let's look at what the Vulgate Bible added:

1 locutus est Dominus ad Mosen dicens
And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying:

2 loquere filiis Israhel et dices ad eos hae sunt feriae Domini quas vocabitis sanctas
Speak to the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them: These are the feasts of the Lord, which you shall call holy. The 
VULGATE: The Holy Bible In Latin Language With Douay-Rheims English Translation

Now the word feriae and, boy are you going to be surprise, with all the real truth centered around this word:

Feriae, ancient Roman festival days during which the gods were honoured and all business, especially lawsuits, was suspended. 

EtymologyFrom Proto-Italic *fēz-io-, *fēzja-, from Proto-Indo-European *dʰeh₁s-yo-, from *dʰéh₁s (“god, godhead, deity”), related to Latin fēstus (“festive”). Cognate with Ancient Greek θεῖος (theîos, “divine”) and Oscan 𐌚𐌉𐌝𐌔𐌝𐌀𐌉𐌔 (fiísíais), 𐌚𐌉𐌉𐌔𐌉𐌉𐌔 (fiisiis), 𐌚𐌉𐌔𐌉𐌀𐌝𐌔 (fisiaís, dat.-abl. pl.). In classical Latin, rendered plural even for singular instances by the Latin treatment of most recurring calendrical days; singular usage is a development in Late Latin. Wiktionary

Festivals were also held in ancient Rome in response to particular events, or for a particular purpose such as to propitiate or show gratitude toward the gods. Roman festivals - Wikipedia

What was the name of the original Roman festival?

Saturnalia, held in mid-December, is an ancient Roman pagan festival honoring the agricultural god Saturn. Saturnalia celebrations are the source of many of the traditions we now associate with Christmas. Saturnalia: By HISTORY.COM

After the introduction of Christianity in the Roman empire, the old feriae were abolished, and the Sabbath, together with the Christian festivals, were substituted; but the manner in which they were kept was nearly the same as that in which the feriae had been observed. Law-suits were accordingly illegal on Sundays and holidays, though a master might emancipate his slave if he liked (Cod. 3 tit. 12).  Roman Calendar — Feriae or Holidays 

A day on which the people, especially the slaves, were not obliged to work, and on which there were no court sessions. In ancient Roman times the feriae publicae, legal holidays, were either stativae, recurring regularly (e.g. the Saturnalia), conceptivae, i.e. movable, or imperativae, i.e. appointed for special occasions. When Christianity spread, the feriae were ordered for religious rest, to celebrate the feasts instituted for worship by the Church. The faithful were obliged on those days to attend Mass in their parish church; such assemblies gradually led to mercantile enterprise, partly from necessity and partly for the sake of convenience. This custom in time introduced those market gatherings which the Germans call Messen, and the English call fairs. They were fixed on saints' days (e.g. St. Barr's fair, St. Germanus's fair, St. Wenn's fair, etc.) Feria: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Feria - New Advent

Not only do they have our time all screwed up now thanks to ‘Daylight Savings’, but they also have us ‘out of sync’ with the Universe due to the Calendar they have forced us to use. The Gregorian Calendar (the one we use today) is WRONG. Not only is it wrong, but it’s actually unhealthy for us to use because it throws us off balance with the rest of the Universe. The Egyptians, Druids, Incas, Polynesians (etc.) and even the Mayans (which had the most complex and correct calendar in history) used the 13 Moons (Months) calendar. In fact, almost every single indigenous tribe on Earth used the 13 Moon Calendar, including Native Americans. The Truth about the Gregorian Calendar: THE MIND UNLEASHED

In Conclusion

YAHWEH Lunar/Solar calendar coordinates all three astronomical time of rotation. Before the flood, the rotation of the earth, moon and sun time was together to formed 30 days evenly. Meaning the moon rotated around the earth as the earth on its original axis spin exactly 24 hours. Which would be 12 hours of days and nights evenly. The earth would revolve around the sun at that time 360 days or 12 months (moons) equaling a year! The earth weather was neither hot or cold and there was no equator. The land mass was all over the earth and the waters on the earth were gather in one place call seas the land or ground was watered by dew. Gen 1:9, 10, 14; 2:5, 6

After the flood with the enormous amount of water from above the earth and the water or seas that exploded crushing the land masses also water or rain causing the earth to be completely toss or moved out further from the sun then its original place. Bacteria, other pest were created to eat up all the decayed bodies of land animals, birds, creatures in the sea and flesh beings on the earth. Mountains also was form from the flood to cover up massive decaying bodies and yes certain areas were frozen (know as the glacier or ice period), over to prevent diseases to the eight survivors. The Equator was formed and seasons of springtime or seed time, hot or summer, harvest time or fall and wintertime. Because of the movement of the earth the moon  begin to revolve around the Earth in about 29 to 30 days. The Earth revolves around the sun in about 365¼ days, that is, about 12.4 lunar months. Months are either 29 or 30 days, corresponding to the lunar cycle. Years are either 12 or 13 months, corresponding to the 12.4-month solar cycle. So to finalize YAHWEH already before sin and after sin had the perfect Calendar of time to correct itself within a 19 year cycle. The Julian or the Gregorian known as the Roman Catholic calendar the whole world follows including Adventist is attempt to change YAHWEH’S Time! WE CAN’T! Gen 8:22

Blessings!

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20 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

Joe, if you do not think the lamb like beast is not USA; then can you tell me what other animal it could be?

I have no opinion. It could be the USA; it could be the RCC; it could be the EU, It could be Islam; It could be Freemasonry; it could be all of the above.  We will know who it is when it happens. The USA might not even be a world power any more by the time of the Great tribulation.

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12 hours ago, JoeMo said:

I have no opinion. It could be the USA; it could be the RCC; it could be the EU, It could be Islam; It could be Freemasonry; it could be all of the above.  We will know who it is when it happens. The USA might not even be a world power any more by the time of the Great tribulation.

Well, if you do not mind there is only one animal that I know of that has horns like a lamb. They horns grows exactly like a lamb. That's the Bible clue and it is the American Bison that is known more in this country that roam the plains. Islam countries do not have bison but Afrika have buffaloes. The buffaloes head are much smaller and their horns are thick and curve down; these animals are located in Afrika and Asia. The American Bison, also the European Bison are similar but the American Bison is bigger but their horns are much smaller that their European counterpart, plus the European species horn are made more for fighting. American Bison sound like a dragon the way they hold their head down and the snorting sound. See American Bison Information, Facts, Photos and Artwork The Bible shows that all of the beasts in Daniel were kingdoms including the one in the beginning of Revelation Chapter 13. The American Bison fits the description of America and this country won the war over England who was a force to reckon with. America is the one who stopped the Nazi's and Japan. No other country have ever used an Atom bomb but USA on another country.  This country made have horns not actually made for fighting but has the force of a dragon when it is pushed! It is this country that the Bible speaks of and the false prophet we do not know who he will be. He will be made known before the first beast comes into power for one hour according to the Bible. May I suggest you read all the places where it states one hour in Revelation and l see what comes up? Just a suggestion!

Blessings!

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50 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

No other country have ever used an Atom bomb but USA on another country.

History doesnt really back this idea up very well. It might be worth your while to do a little research and see where America got that technology from.

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Nazi Germany developed and successfully tested, and perhaps used, a uranium atom bomb before the end of World War II,” Farrell concluded. Farrell was not alone in this assessment. In 2005, Berlin historian Rainer Karlsch, in a book titled Hitlers Bombe, claimed that the Nazis indeed tested nuclear weapons on Rugen Island near Ohrdruf, Thuringia, site of a subsidiary concentration camp to the infamous Buchenwald. Reportedly, many prisoners were killed during these tests, which were conducted under the supervision of the SS. Karlsch’s primary evidence consists of “vouchers” for “tests” and a patent for a plutonium weapon dated 1941. (Marrs, Jim. The Rise of the Fourth Reich (p. 59). HarperCollins e-books. Kindle Edition).

Some historians believe that America got 3 A Bombs from the Nazis, in return for "immunity" and the story just goes from bad to worse from there. Apparently, the only thing that stopped the Nazis from dropping THE Bomb on New York City was that they lacked an effective delivery system for such a bomb. Hundreds of Nazi rocket scientists were given passports in exchange for "Nazi Superscience" technology from which America did eventually drop the bomb/s on Japan. The same historians are saying that all the Americans did was to retrofit the 3 A Bombs they got from Germany, put new fins on them, painted them up and then dropped them on Japan. Just prior to all that, the Nazis came within just a few miles of New York City with one of their then, fancy new planes to assess for a planned dropping of the Bomb. They worked furiously to figure out a delivery system for the bomb, but, thankfully, they were not fast enough before events turned the tide in favor of America and the allies.

58 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

the Bible speaks of and the false prophet we do not know who he will be.

I believe that the providence reflected in historical events can indeed tell us exactly who/what the "false prophet"  is.

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15 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

I believe that the providence reflected in historical events can indeed tell us exactly who/what the "false prophet"  is.

Care to share your opinion?

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2 hours ago, JoeMo said:

Care to share your opinion?

"History repeats itself..."

 

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On 2/10/2020 at 12:30 AM, BlessedMan said:

I believe that the providence reflected in historical events can indeed tell us exactly who/what the "false prophet"  is.

I would like you to tell us who that person is but the Bible does not provide it? My problem, not to be rude, is we try to know more than what YAHWEH gives us. I just feel if we would follow what is outline then we do not have to try and guess those things that are not provided or given. YAHWEH states HE does not change or alter what comes from HIS LIPS, yet we do not respect or believe HIM. To me, we should let go and let THE ELOHIYM'S rule and we don't. I read even here so much speculation who the lamb-like beast is or is not, the whore whom the Bible made clear it is the whore and this is the Catholic Church. How do we continue to say the beast is the Catholic church when she's the whore? Then the Bible clearly states the beast and Babylon have one hour, and it also says the beast will not appear but doing that one hour, so no one knows who he is. Yet, now he is Muslim or someone else. Speculating without Bible proof! The great city call Babylon is Jerusalem and the Bible proves it yet, you will not believe what is said. Who killed the prophets, name one kingdom that the Bible states that except Jerusalem? The bottomless pit is a prison and the Bible proves that as well. Now to me, this is crazy Satan is taken with a key only for the bottomless pit and he is taken, and it clearly states he is in prison. How can it be the earth? YAHSHUA comes back puts the beast and the false prophet in the Lake of Fire. Just before this takes place an angel calls for all the birds to get ready to eat the armies of all the people of the beast. Then after the beast and false prophet are taken the birds eat the flesh of everybody that is left! So, if the earth is the bottomless pit wouldn't the Bible state that the angel would just lock him down here instead of chaining him and taken him and then putting him in the bottomless pit? Next, how can SDA believe that the Ottoman Empire comes out of the bottomless pit in Rev 9:1-11? All the descriptions of smoke that hides the sun, from locust to scorpion and their king is an angel over the bottomless pit and that is what we come up with? So the earth has no bottom and it is a pit? What's so amazing to me is the KJV writers knew that Luke 8:29-32 said the bottomless pit but changed the word to the deep. Those angels that torture that man asked YAHSHUA not to send them back to the bottomless pit and allowed them to enter the pigs. This was only for a little time and they had to go back to prison.

Now, all that know about EGW and love to quote her when you are trying to prove your point. How many read Spirit of Prophecy Vol 1 Chapters 1, p. 23 Chapter 2 p. 28-30? She clearly Adventist people, she let it be known that Satan was kicked out of Heaven before the earth was created! Not one of you have ever addressed this, why? If you all want to talk about real truth, then explain the bottomless pit, please! Stand up and acknowledge that words in the Bible have been changed. You don't answer that when EGW in Early Writing said that on p. 120-121! You won't even explain how you can believe in a trinity that is not in the Bible and you all know that this started with the ROMAN CATHOLIC Church! You will not discuss are there THREE INDIVIDUAL BEINGS or not! The Bible says there are THREE! 

Well, I truly love you all, but I am so disappointed that Catholic believers can come here and know more about our beliefs than we do. They also ask very legitimate questions and provide outstanding answers base on what they believe better then we do! Why is that? We go around the bus under the bus instead of leading the bus. If you don't know the answer, then declare it and then begin to find out the truth. EGW warned you that you are barking up the wrong tree, but you just don't listen. Why would she state under the subject of Daniel and Revelation, that there will be less said about the pope or papacy? If you don't know I suggest you read the rest of Testimony to the Ministers on the above subject and find out! It is not about me, it is about THE MOST HIGH and your soul salvation. We all have to work it out individually and those who do will join together united and truly become the remnant of the women seed. Those who will throw down hatred, prejudice, power with political views, allowed every one of us to choose for truth and justice with an undying love that's the one who will make it! Not agape love that is pagan Greek's point of view. We got to stop relating earthly things to THE ALMIGHTY ONES! We do not reverence THEM enough, you say you do but you really don't! We are not equal to THEM, THEY ARE our CREATORS and like Satan, we have no respect. If we did we would not talk to each other with malice, hatred because one does not agree with your view! We should agree with THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT that only the Bible for thousands of years has proven to be the most reliable Book on this earth! You can try to add or subtract to it, try to change the Commandments or Time or put a person you think above THEM; and it just won't work! So, to you all, I give you YAHSHUA THE SON, who always does THE WORK of HIS FATHER! I also give you THE HOLY SPIRIT, who is not a ghost because HE is not dead! HE IS AN ALIVE LIVING SPIRITUAL BEING that only through HIM can any one of us reach THE FATHER and THE SON!  Take it or leave it, that is up to you!

 Blessings and prayers to you All!

 

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22 hours ago, JoeMo said:

Care to share your opinion?

Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated and untrained men, they marveled. And they realized that they had been with Jesus. (Acts 4:13)

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"History will repeat itself..."

Commanded To Speak No More Under Jesus' Authority

It was obvious to those in the council that Peter and John had not been trained by the rabbis or with the scribes, yet they dared to interpret scripture with great boldness. Either because of their boldness, their use of scripture, their general demeanor, or some other factor, the council noted "they had been with Jesus." All Christians ought to strive to live so that a similar observation can be made about them. Also, and perhaps most damaging of all, the council could not refute the miracle because the formerly lame man stood before them healed!

The apostles were asked to step outside while the council conferred. They could not deny a miracle had been worked because reports of the healing were wide spread. Neither were they able to refute Peter's arguments for the resurrection of Jesus, but they needed to stop the preaching of Jesus before more of the people turned to follow him. So, they called the apostles back in, threatened them and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus (Act_4:13-18). Boles says, "The original conveys the idea that they were not to let the name of Jesus pass their lips again. They severely threatened them and charged them that they were not to use 'the name of Jesus' at all." (taken from Gary C Hampton Commentaries)

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3 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

 

Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated and untrained men, they marveled. And they realized that they had been with Jesus. (Acts 4:13)

Commanded To Speak No More Under Jesus' Authority

It was obvious to those in the council that Peter and John had not been trained by the rabbis or with the scribes, yet they dared to interpret scripture with great boldness. Either because of their boldness, their use of scripture, their general demeanor, or some other factor, the council noted "they had been with Jesus." All Christians ought to strive to live so that a similar observation can be made about them. Also, and perhaps most damaging of all, the council could not refute the miracle because the formerly lame man stood before them healed!

The apostles were asked to step outside while the council conferred. They could not deny a miracle had been worked because reports of the healing were wide spread. Neither were they able to refute Peter's arguments for the resurrection of Jesus, but they needed to stop the preaching of Jesus before more of the people turned to follow him. So, they called the apostles back in, threatened them and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus (Act_4:13-18). Boles says, "The original conveys the idea that they were not to let the name of Jesus pass their lips again. They severely threatened them and charged them that they were not to use 'the name of Jesus' at all." (taken from Gary C Hampton Commentaries)

If all history repeats itself we all would be in a world of never advancing. I never read it in the Bible, you have, where? Solomon said there is nothing new under the sun and that's more deeper than you think. Because the antediluvian word did not want to leave this world! There was no rain so how could history repeat that? Do you see a place without mountains or Trees today like the Redwood Trees or the giants that we all have been discussing? Now, I know Nimrod wanted to leave this place and they flew way before modern man did. You just think you are smarter only using 10-5% of our brain today versus those people before language was confounded they were still using about 100 -90% of their brain. We think today their are aliens-surprise is was them! There are languages we cannot decipher or places and buildings we cannot understand how they were built! There were wall that a paper cannot go between the stones and they believe that laser was used more advance then today before. You think the Nazi's had the atom, only one scientist did and he came here from Germany. Then some Americans gave it to Russia but it was used in ancient time. You better stop thinking that all ancient people were jungle bunnies! We cannot figure how they built the pyramids, Stonehenge, some of the temple of India, Maya and Peru. The Mayan had an observatory that our's looked like ours today! History repeats when YAHWEH wants it too and only little things. We will see some truth that has been hidden found just before the Time of Trouble begins, just wait! You have no idea what was taken from man when YAHWEH confounded our language. We've lost a lot of knowledge and we shrunk in size. Wake up people there is a lot of things that are still hidden! There were dinosaurs but not the way the 18th century claim they look! The antediluvian world knew more about DNA than we will ever know and they mix animals up and we do not really know how they really look due to a worldwide flood! Keep thinking we know everything, we really don't!

Blessings!

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4 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

If all history repeats itself we all would be in a world of never advancing.

That which is has already been, And what is to be has already been; And God requires an account of what is past.(Eccl 3:15)

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That which hath been is now — Things past, present, and to come, are all ordered by one constant counsel, in all parts and ages of the world. There is a continual return of the same motions of the heavenly bodies, of the same seasons of the year, and a constant succession of new generations of men and beasts, but all of the same quality. God requireth — Or reneweth, as the Hebrew יבקשׁ, may be rendered; that which is past &mdash That time and those things which are irrecoverably gone in themselves; but are, as it were, recalled, because others of the same kind arise and come in their stead. (Joseph Benton's Commentary)

 

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5 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

If all history repeats itself we all would be in a world of never advancing.

Ecc 1:9  That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun.
Ecc 1:10  Is there anything of which it may be said, "See, this is new"? It has already been in ancient times before us.

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5 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

If all history repeats itself we all would be in a world of never advancing.

The Old and New Testaments are linked together by the golden clasp of God. We need to become familiar with the Old-Testament Scriptures. The unchangeableness of God should be clearly seen; the similarity of his dealings with his people of the past dispensation and of the present, should be studied. Under the inspiration of the Spirit of God, Solomon wrote, "That which hath been is now: and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past." In mercy God repeats his past dealings. He has given us a record of his dealings in the past.

This we need to study carefully; for history is repeating itself. We are more accountable than were those whose experience is recorded in the Old Testament; for their mistakes, and the results of those mistakes, have been chronicled for our benefit. The danger-signal has been lifted to keep us off forbidden ground, and we should be warned not to do as they did, lest a worse punishment come upon us. The blessings given to those of past generations who obeyed God are recorded that we may be encouraged to walk circumspectly, in faith and obedience. The judgments brought against wrong-doers are delineated that we may fear and tremble before God. This Scripture biography is a great blessing. This precious instruction, the experience of ages, is bequeathed to us.  {RH, April 20, 1897 par. 14} 

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12 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

That which is has already been, And what is to be has already been; And God requires an account of what is past.(Eccl 3:15)

 

 Whatever is has already been, and what shall be has been before. But Elohim seeks out what has been pursued. Ecc 3:15 TS2009

This is referring to all people and sin. Breaking YAHWEH'S Commandments started in the Garden of Eden, people kill, steal, lie, covet, dishonor their parents, fornicate and commit adultery and other sinful sexual acts. These are all the one's we do to each other, but to make it even worst we profane YAHWEH'S NAME, THE HOLY SPIRIT'S NAME, HIS SON who came to Represent HIS FATHER'S NAME! We do not Fear THEM (that means REVERENCE), the world has broken the Sabbath and also SDA! This is what is repeated over and over and it became so horrible that YAHWEH had to destroy everything that was not in the ark! The world that was extremely beautiful has never been the same. On top of that the earth which has life itself felt and still feel the pain. Volcanoes, earthquake, storms, sinking wholes, hurricanes and so much more! Does Satan have a hand it the weather, ye he does up to a certain point. We are killing this planet because we could have taken care of it and help ease her pain; but we didn't!

THE FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY SPIRIT, ALL THREE See the past the present and the future and we know about the past, we live in the present and have been given signs about the future! But, we don't care and continue to do the same thing. YAHSHUA clearly told us that in the last days we would become just like the people who were sinful in Noah's day. We are so evil with no remorse and what's taken place in this country is outrageous! If you speak out about it you are targeted and even here you feel the pure hatred. I am going to stand and call sin by its right name. That is what Solomon was talking about that is what been repeated but not all history as you claim. It is sin that is repeated and it is getting worst today like it was in the days of Noah! If you think I am talking about one party, I am not!

Praying!

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stinsonmarri
12 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

The Old and New Testaments are linked together by the golden clasp of God. We need to become familiar with the Old-Testament Scriptures. The unchangeableness of God should be clearly seen; the similarity of his dealings with his people of the past dispensation and of the present, should be studied. Under the inspiration of the Spirit of God, Solomon wrote, "That which hath been is now: and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past." In mercy God repeats his past dealings. He has given us a record of his dealings in the past.

This we need to study carefully; for history is repeating itself. We are more accountable than were those whose experience is recorded in the Old Testament; for their mistakes, and the results of those mistakes, have been chronicled for our benefit. The danger-signal has been lifted to keep us off forbidden ground, and we should be warned not to do as they did, lest a worse punishment come upon us. The blessings given to those of past generations who obeyed God are recorded that we may be encouraged to walk circumspectly, in faith and obedience. The judgments brought against wrong-doers are delineated that we may fear and tremble before God. This Scripture biography is a great blessing. This precious instruction, the experience of ages, is bequeathed to us.  {RH, April 20, 1897 par. 14} 

I notice you are only on this subject and did not even address what I wrote much earlier, interesting! I read what EGW wrote before and I also believes that same way at one time, but you grow as you learn. History, as I stated earlier, does not always repeat, what does is sin. If history did we would never advance and that's a fact. You see we lost the use of our brain but we still advance with the use of computers. Here is the problem though, computers have to reboot in order to read the data and they can break down. Our brains if fed right even today would soar! The minds only breaks down because of what we choose to do. Things we choose to do is harmful to it and I guarantee it has to do with sin! Climate is changing because of us! The reason it changed in the antediluvian world had nothing at all to do with climate, it was because of sin! You and I agree that there is no such thing as  Nephilim, it is not even a Hebrew word. If these so call creatures existed, they would exist now because history repeats itself. Neither do we have the soil, the air, the trees the climate or anything like the antediluvian world! We have to search for precious stones, they didn't. Scientist are looking for ways to leave this planet, why? Because they know something is getting ready to happen. The antediluvian world did not want to leave this earth it was so beautiful and all the precious stones were everywhere easy to reach. Since the flood man has not been happy staying here. Wars and rumors of wars have increase so they repeat and each time it is even worst than before.

Finally, the violence and continual sin in Noah's day with the mind they had is not the same as what is happening today. We are more debase then they were our minds have deteriorate and we act more like animals. You are what you eat! If they ate meat, animals were not the same as they are today. There were no carnivorous animals then! They had no pest like flies and rats, no bacteria or viruses-nothing compare to us today! So, again my point is sin repeats and we are so degraded compare to them that we have to be destroyed by fire! 

Praying!🙏

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18 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

You and I agree that there is no such thing as  Nephilim, it is not even a Hebrew word.

Number 13:30–33
Then Caleb quieted the people before Moses and said, “We should by all means go up and take possession of it, for we will surely overcome it.” But the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are too strong for us.” So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

הַנְּפִילִ֛ים - this is the Hebrew for Nephilim

 

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19 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

History, as I stated earlier, does not always repeat, what does is sin. If history did we would never advance and that's a fact

Greetings @stinsonmarri  I believe that history can and does repeat itself, and that it incrementally gets worse, every time we fail to learn the lesson that God would have us know. I think this is something that is clearly reflected in scripture:

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"...And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation..." (Dan 12:1)

This text clearly shows that after repeated failure to learn what we need to, things keep getting worse each time.  The opportunity is always there for people to say yes to Jesus. Some take longer than others, thats why history not only repeats itself; but also incrementally presents us with more severe events by which to learn about God and know Him.

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