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7 hours ago, Gustave said:

 

Stinsonmarri,

The ancient Greeks, Romans and other cultures BELIEVED their God's were flesh hominids that ate meals, had sex, urinated and so on. These "Gods" of ancient cultures HAD MEMBERS & PARTS. I think Gregory's point & most certainly the point I've been making for a long time on this forum is that;

"The Personality of God" Doctrine promulgated by the SDA Pioneers and Ellen White wasn't like the Pagan Greek concept - IT WAS THE PAGAN GREEK CONCEPT. I'm not saying that being confused on something like this is the end of the world or anything - I'm just saying when a group of uneducated folks get together and start talking about the Bible they will reach different conclusions than a group of educated individuals who are competent in the ancient languages the Bible's books were composed in. 

 

Gustave: You are very quick to call people uneducated because they do think the way you think. It is possible that you are the uneducated because you feel that you know more then others base on your belief system. This system teaches that a man like the Greeks deities you speak about, now become a linanage of gods! Gods that die and do not have any power, none whatsoever. You kiss and give him money, put him in a basilica and that gives him power? Not one have heal, have stop the wind or the waves, yet they suppose to be like your Jesus, and also what you think the father is. The strange thing YAHSHUA was raised from the dead, but none of your so gods have yet. Now, he suppose to change times and YAHWEH'S Laws, but can't control or have power over nature. Strange, sounds just like the Greek deities and all of the other ones too!

Now, the ancient people included others in their hall of pagan deities just you include Mary and all these saints who are in heaven. Now, the Bible does not speak of any that, but we are suppose to accept these powerless men. Now, that my friend is interested. People are just suppose to all die and go to your heaven of stay in this purgatory unless you pay. Your belief is supposed  to let some living family member to buy their family out. Then there go to this place called hell (now intelligent man like you knows that this word means grave and it is the English version of the Greek word hades)

The false personalities of ELOHIYM  that the pioneers understood came from their belief in the trinity that was first taught by the Nicene Degree. Wait a minute, isn't that what you believe in? The Adventist Pioneer stop believing in the trinity. They still accepted the personalities which again come from the ancient deities, especially the Greeks. They acted jus like people, they ate drink, lied, had all types of illicit sex, they stab each other in the back. In other words they carry on like flesh beings.

Those who think they are intelligent, thinking they can understand and decipher other languages; yet today they cannot decipher the Elamites who were Semitic. Yet, this is really confusing from the great intelligent ones today who recognized that the Asian language and the Afrikan language are tied together! Then they took the Shem speaking people that is the only one these intelligent people use today! They say today, that the word Semitic and  everyone who accept their logic, that this does not mean what it says now! Now it mean different cultures of people. Really! Who are those culture all Afrikan people and all the Semitic people were suppose to speak this language. However, none of the Hebrews/Chaldeans, the Assyrians, some of the original Arabs of Shem have a major language. These intelligent people stuck them under the Afro-Asians language and these Afrikans people, more than the semitic cultural happen to speak this language. Yet, only Abraham came to Canaan! However, the Phoenicians are historically shown that they created the symbol of alphabets and words that others adopted. Wow, what's really going on?

Finally, it is strange that the ancients knew  the truth about ELOHIYM; so, their deities could eat and drink just like the flesh beings. They understood more about the TRUE Heavenly BEINGS then man today. These beings walk the earth more then! They knew what Satan look like! The Assyrians saw his eagle side, Nimrod's Babylon saw the lion side and the Chaldeans followed the same religious belief and priesthood. Notice all of these animals had wings! The Afrikans saw his main face, the cherub known as the ox face. That is why Baal of the Canaanites and Minotaurs of the Philistine who lived on Crete all worshipped a bull or ox; including the Egyptians.

Please stop trying to base Adventist to a false concept that Catholicism adapted that follow man back into time. Check out how the intellect thinks today with sketchy conclusions:

Recent studies of the evolution of religion have revealed the cognitive underpinnings of belief in supernatural agents, the role of ritual in promoting cooperation, and the contribution of morally punishing high gods to the growth and stabilization of human society. The universality of religion across human society points to a deep evolutionary past. However, specific traits of nascent religiosity, and the sequence in which they emerged, have remained unknown. Here we reconstruct the evolution of religious beliefs and behaviors in early modern humans using a global sample of hunter-gatherers and seven traits describing hunter-gatherer religiosity: animism, belief in an afterlife, shamanism, ancestor worship, high gods, and worship of ancestors or high gods who are active in human affairs. We reconstruct ancestral character states using a time-calibrated supertree based on published phylogenetic trees and linguistic classification and then test for correlated evolution between the characters and for the direction of cultural change. Results indicate that the oldest trait of religion, present in the most recent common ancestor of present-day hunter-gatherers, was animism, in agreement with long-standing beliefs about the fundamental role of this trait. Belief in an afterlife emerged, followed by shamanism and ancestor worship. Ancestor spirits or high gods who are active in human affairs were absent in early humans, suggesting a deep history for the egalitarian nature of hunter-gatherer societies. There is a significant positive relationship between most characters investigated, but the trait “high gods” stands apart, suggesting that belief in a single creator deity can emerge in a society regardless of other aspects of its religion. Hunter-Gatherers and the Origins of Religion- NCBI - NIH

These intelligent beings have led men to believe in animism that has us to emerge into believing an afterlife by shamanism another word for witch doctors or priest. But who are these intelligent beings who think they know but really don't know!

Happy Sabbath and Blessings!

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I, too have found many contradictions between SDA culture(including some of the "28"); but I have found contradictions between my understanding of scriptural and every other denomination I have resear

That's very interesting. I was raised SDA and I believed the whole "27" (it was 27 back then). When I started reading the Bible for myself, I started to find many contradictions with my Adventist fait

I would disagree with you on this one. However, I have decided to no longer comment on this topic of the sanctuary in this forum. There are a couple of other topics that I choose not to be part o

On 5/6/2021 at 9:14 PM, phkrause said:

What's wrong with God having a personality?? I find no problem here!!

I don't my friend! Phkrause the Bible tell us that also!

For MY THOUGHTS are not your thoughts, neither are your ways MY WAYS, SAITH YAHWEH. For as the Heavens are higher than the earth, so are MY WAYS Higher than your ways, and MY THOUGHTS than your thoughts. Isa 55:8, 9  

Thought and ways we have are our personality traits of fallen flesh beings. Do we think to compare ourselves equal to THEM. How on earth can we compare ourselves to THEM? Now, we sound just like Satan:

 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into Heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of EL I will sit also upon the Mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like THE MOST HIGH. Isa 14:12-14  

 

On 5/6/2021 at 9:14 PM, phkrause said:

Again what's wrong with God or Christ having a personality?? Obviously Christ was here living on earth and had a personality!!

THE MESSIAH BODY was perfect, HE had the body that the Adams first had. HE became THE SECOND ADAM. HE never had you and I personality, never! If HE did HE would become us, we are to become like HIM. We need to stop making sinful personalities in Heaven. Our thoughts and ways will be destroyed because of sin. We are doing what the ancient were doing acting the same way we do with sin. The Greek gods had the personality of human beings. They did evil things just like we do. I hope you see that Phkrause. YAHSHUA never did those things; HE DID the opposite of our personality traits!

Happy Sabbath and Blessings!

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On 5/6/2021 at 10:06 PM, Gregory Matthews said:

Stinsommarri:   Most of what you have posted in response to Gustave and I has no  relationship to what either of us has posted.

You clearly do not understand what has been said.

 

Kindly sir, that is your opinion and you contradict yourself. Earlier you said that what I provided was good but you felt how I said it remember?

7 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

Stinsonmarri, while you have commented on Greek philosophy and religion, you have said nothing that causes me to think that you understand the ancient, pagan, Greek religion.

Well I am sorry sir, but I stated to you the same before but you stated I did  not have a degree. I said I did and sadly you disputed that is was not in my profile until I showed it was. Can I make anyone believe what I know about the ancient pagan Greek religion, no! But, I can stand between ELOHIYM and you, HE KNOWS! HE was there when I studied the Greeks, religion and philosophy.  I give an account to HIM and not man. My records and grades are a proof and that all that matters to me. I am sorry you feel that way, but that's life!

Blessing and Happy Sabbath!

PS: The Greeks adopted the Egyptians, Persian sand the Hebrews religions and others together. Maybe you should if you don't mind me telling you to check out the dollar bill and the Masonic belief today. I hope that helps.

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Stinsonmarri:

*  You certainly do mix things up.  Yes, I have stated that you provide some very good stuff that is well worthy of consideration.  That is true and I repeat that.  But, you also provide stuff that is   neither true nor worthy of consideration.  Your comment about islands floating in water is an example if such.   No person is ever totally correct.  You are not totally correct.  You are not totally wrong.  You are a mixture of truth and error.  So, no, I have not contradicted myself.

*  I have never said that you do not have a college degree.  Your statement that I have said that you do not is simply false.  I have said that you present yourself in a manner that people question whether or not you have a degree.  That is true, I get questions about whether or not you have a degree.  In one sense you are your own worst enemy.

 

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13 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

The false personalities of ELOHIYM  that the pioneers understood came from their belief in the trinity that was first taught by the Nicene Degree. Wait a minute, isn't that what you believe in? The Adventist Pioneer stop believing in the trinity.

They still accepted the personalities which again come from the ancient deities, especially the Greeks. They acted jus like people, they ate drink, lied, had all types of illicit sex, they stab each other in the back. In other words they carry on like flesh beings.

Please stop trying to base Adventist to a false concept that Catholicism adapted that follow man back into time. Check out how the intellect thinks today with sketchy conclusions:

Recent studies of the evolution of religion have revealed the cognitive underpinnings of belief in supernatural agents, the role of ritual in promoting cooperation, and the contribution of morally punishing high gods to the growth and stabilization of human society. The universality of religion across human society points to a deep evolutionary past. However, specific traits of nascent religiosity, and the sequence in which they emerged, have remained unknown. Here we reconstruct the evolution of religious beliefs and behaviors in early modern humans using a global sample of hunter-gatherers and seven traits describing hunter-gatherer religiosity: animism, belief in an afterlife, shamanism, ancestor worship, high gods, and worship of ancestors or high gods who are active in human affairs. We reconstruct ancestral character states using a time-calibrated supertree based on published phylogenetic trees and linguistic classification and then test for correlated evolution between the characters and for the direction of cultural change. Results indicate that the oldest trait of religion, present in the most recent common ancestor of present-day hunter-gatherers, was animism, in agreement with long-standing beliefs about the fundamental role of this trait. Belief in an afterlife emerged, followed by shamanism and ancestor worship. Ancestor spirits or high gods who are active in human affairs were absent in early humans, suggesting a deep history for the egalitarian nature of hunter-gatherer societies. There is a significant positive relationship between most characters investigated, but the trait “high gods” stands apart, suggesting that belief in a single creator deity can emerge in a society regardless of other aspects of its religion. Hunter-Gatherers and the Origins of Religion- NCBI - NIH

These intelligent beings have led men to believe in animism that has us to emerge into believing an afterlife by shamanism another word for witch doctors or priest. But who are these intelligent beings who think they know but really don't know!

Happy Sabbath and Blessings!

 

You cite articles written by individuals who are Darwinian evolutionists and who attribute a belief in the afterlife to the evolution of society itself. In other words you cite an article that suggests the Old Testament writers, such as the book of Job, believed that the soul survived in some way after death was attributed to evolutionary process and not supernatural revelation. 

I don't mean to be harsh here but you should accept some constructive advise from Gregory, slow down and make sure that you comprehend what it is that your reading. One thing that would be helpful is if you could tailor your answers so that they would be relevant to the questions you were asked. Many times the answers you provide holds no relevance to the question you are asked. 

 

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On 5/7/2021 at 3:25 PM, Gustave said:

The similarity I was focusing in on was the anthropomorphic view the Greeks had with their God's. Zeus was a hominid flesh god with a nose to smell the incense and an appetite.  

Not particularly responding to this post but the whole topic of the discussion of what God is. It is a useless discussion yielding not much more than arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. There are verses in scripture referencing how unable to define God we are. The main one I was looking for escapes me now, but this one helps, "But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand." Isaiah 64:8

My cat (see pic!) will sit and watch me do many things but never seems to understand anything I do. But I would believe he understands what I am doing much more than vain humans can really understand anything about God beyond what He has revealed to us. With a trillion galaxies in the universe with hundreds of millions of stars in each one, down to the tiniest particles of an atom (even that God particle physicists have been chasing!), God is aware of all and maintains them perfect function, except where humans interrupt in a destructive manner. Every unconscious breath we take is God working thru us to maintain our life. Then we try to even understand God living in each of us as our bodies are temples. So, I do not even try to understand God beyond what He has chosen to reveal to us and that is only HIs character. To believe we can do more is only vanity!

We can never by searching find out God. He does not lay open His plans to prying, inquisitive minds. We must not attempt to lift with presumptuous hand the curtain behind which He veils His majesty. The apostle exclaims, “How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!” It is a proof of His mercy that there is the hiding of His power, that He is enshrouded in the awful clouds of mystery and obscurity; for to lift the curtain that conceals the Divine Presence is death. No mortal mind can penetrate the secrecy in which the Mighty One dwells and works. We can comprehend no more of His dealings with us and the motives that actuate Him than He sees fit to reveal. He orders everything in righteousness, and we are not to be dissatisfied and distrustful, but to bow in reverent submission. He will reveal to us as much of His purposes as it is for our good to know; and beyond that we must trust the hand that is omnipotent, the heart that is full of love (The Review and Herald, April 7, 1885). 

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34 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

Not particularly responding to this post but the whole topic of the discussion of what God is. It is a useless discussion yielding not much more than arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. There are verses in scripture referencing how unable to define God we are. The main one I was looking for escapes me now, but this one helps, "But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand." Isaiah 64:8

My cat (see pic!) will sit and watch me do many things but never seems to understand anything I do. But I would believe he understands what I am doing much more than vain humans can really understand anything about God beyond what He has revealed to us. With a trillion galaxies in the universe with hundreds of millions of stars in each one, down to the tiniest particles of an atom (even that God particle physicists have been chasing!), God is aware of all and maintains them perfect function, except where humans interrupt in a destructive manner. Every unconscious breath we take is God working thru us to maintain our life. Then we try to even understand God living in each of us as our bodies are temples. So, I do not even try to understand God beyond what He has chosen to reveal to us and that is only HIs character. To believe we can do more is only vanity!

We can never by searching find out God. He does not lay open His plans to prying, inquisitive minds. We must not attempt to lift with presumptuous hand the curtain behind which He veils His majesty. The apostle exclaims, “How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!” It is a proof of His mercy that there is the hiding of His power, that He is enshrouded in the awful clouds of mystery and obscurity; for to lift the curtain that conceals the Divine Presence is death. No mortal mind can penetrate the secrecy in which the Mighty One dwells and works. We can comprehend no more of His dealings with us and the motives that actuate Him than He sees fit to reveal. He orders everything in righteousness, and we are not to be dissatisfied and distrustful, but to bow in reverent submission. He will reveal to us as much of His purposes as it is for our good to know; and beyond that we must trust the hand that is omnipotent, the heart that is full of love (The Review and Herald, April 7, 1885). 

 

I own a book called,  "The Christian Faith In The Doctrinal Documents Of the Catholic Church".

On page 135 one paragraph reads:

"The theological concepts and terminology used in these documents became more and more technical at at times somewhat involved. This could hardly be avoided in view of the depth of the mystery which they had to convey. It should, however, be borne in mind that the subtlety in reasoning was never meant to rationalize the divine mystery but to preserve its integrity against all rationalistic simplifications. ALL Trinitarian heresies are such simplifications which, if they were allowed to prevail, would ultimately nullify the mystery."

In the matter of the Trinity we can observe how the Latter-day Saints offer simplifications thereby nullifying the mystery. 

"Although the three members of the Godhead are distinct personages, their Godhead is "one" in that all three are united in their thoughts, actions, and purpose, with each having a fulness of knowledge, truth, and power. Each is a God. This does not imply a mystical union of substance or personality. Joseph Smith taught: Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God anyhow-three in one, and one in three! It is a curious organization anyhow. "Father, I pray not for the world, but I pray for those that thou hast given me…that they may be one as we are."…I want to read the text to you myself-"I am agreed with the Father and the Father is agreed with me, and we are agreed as one." The Greek shows that it should be agreed. "Father, I pray for them which thou hast given me out of the world,…that they all may be agreed," and all come to dwell in unity [TPJS, p. 372; cf. John 17:9-11, 20-21; also cf. WJS, p. 380].

The unity prayed for in John 17 provides a model for the LDS understanding of the unity of the Godhead-one that is achieved among distinct individuals by unity of purpose, through faith, and by divine will and action. Joseph Smith taught that the Godhead was united by an "everlasting covenant [that] was made between [these] three personages before the organization of this earth" relevant to their administration to its inhabitants (TPJS, p. 190). The prime purpose of the Godhead and of all those united with them is "to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man" (Moses 1:39; Hinckley, p. 49-51).Godhead - The Encyclopedia of Mormonism (byu.edu)"

 

Thus, Mormon's openly state:

"If by ‘the doctrine of the Trinity’ one means the New Testament teaching that there is a Father, a Son, and a Holy Ghost, all three of whom are fully divine, then Latter-day Saints believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. It is as simple as that. The Latter-day  Saints’ first article of faith, written by Joseph Smith in 1842, states, “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost……However, if by ‘the doctrine of the Trinity’ one means the doctrine formulated by the councils of Nicaea and Chalcedon and elaborated upon by subsequent theologians and councils–that God is three coequal persons in one substance or essence–then Latter-day Saints do not believe it.[iii]

Articles of Faith (lightplanet.com)

So, the Mormon's believe that the Father is a PERSONAGE (has a Body) & is a "Being", the Mormons also believe that Jesus is PERSONAGE (has a body) & is a "Being" & that the 3 "Beings" (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) are ONE in the same sense that Christ and His Disciples are one. 

Therein they have nullified the mystery. 

Ellen White said the exact same thing right down to quoting the exact same verse Joseph Smith quoted. 

How can seventh-day Adventists make the claim that the Mormon's don't believe in the Trinity? Or is this something SDA's don't do? 

 

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28 minutes ago, Gustave said:

Ellen White said the exact same thing right down to quoting the exact same verse Joseph Smith quoted. 

I am quite sure than EGW has quoted many texts that members of other churches have quoted.

28 minutes ago, Gustave said:

How can seventh-day Adventists make the claim that the Mormon's don't believe in the Trinity? Or is this something SDA's don't do? 

I do not recall any particular Adventist claims regarding Mormons and the Trinity. 

Whatever the Mormons believe regarding the Trinity, they have one flaw in their beliefs as noted in one of their sayings:

As God is, man shall be.

As man is, God once was.

Or sometimes written:

"As man is, God once was;
as God is, man may be."

God was once just a man!
Man can become God!

https://bible.ca/mor-adam-god.htm

What about your Trinity Doctrine when the first man becomes God?

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9 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

Stinsonmarri:

*  You certainly do mix things up.  Yes, I have stated that you provide some very good stuff that is well worthy of consideration.  That is true and I repeat that.  But, you also provide stuff that is   neither true nor worthy of consideration.  You comment about islands floating in water is an example if such.   No person is ever totally correct.  You are not totally correct.  You are not totally wrong.  You are a mixture of truth and error.  So, no, I have not contradicted myself.

*  I have never said that you do not have a college degree.  Your statement that I have said that you do not is simply false.  I have said that you present yourself in a manner that people question whether or not you have a degree.  That is true, I get questions about whether or not you have a degree.  In one sense you are your own worst enemy.

 

Wells that sad to say the least. I really do want to be an enemy to myself, especially to sin. Maybe I will continue to fight self and overcome! I will say this one thing and I will let it go. I know I kept saying it was in my profile and you say it wasn't and you wrote me about it and I kindly showed you. You know what you said after then HE disappeared. I know the Bible said HE Sat down on a Throne on THE RIGHT SIDE of HIS FATHER! I read that HE too the Book out of HIS FATHER'S RIGHT HAND. The Bible says very clearly THEY HAVE WAYS that we do not have. I read that when YAHSHUA Ate with the disciples, HE Lifted HIS HANDS the nails marks were in HIS HAND. HE Told the disciples that drink the wine only when we come into the Kingdom of Heaven and HE Will eat with us at the Welcome Table.

You see, I do not accept any thing that the Greeks come up with that we accept and believed. See I do not accept or believe in the Greek concept of theology, exegetical, anthropomorphism, that YAHWEH'S Love is agape( it much higher that Greeks or flesh being period can conceive.), hermeneutical thoughts, hypostasis, hypostatic concepts. In other words I do not accept Greek that Biblical scholars use to explain the Bible, the world and most of THE ALMIGHTY ONES. I accept the Bible and the Hebrew and Greek languages in their simple meaning form. If you and others accept it that is your right and your choice. Please do not question my judgement if I refuse to believe or accept it. When I comment it is based on understanding Daniel Chapters 7 and 8 was not what the king dream in Chapter 2. Daniel saw what John saw, but the book the Bible said until the time when THEY would reveal in to John. But Daniel was told it would be reveal in the latter days. Yes, EGW understood just before she die the truth. She wrote it down and pleaded with Adventist in Testimony To Ministers. The Chapter is: 3—The Holy Scriptures: How Shall We Search the Scriptures? Inside this Chapter is The Study of the Books of Daniel and the Revelation. She realize that is was not understood in her day and she was revealed the truth about these two books are really one. Daniel and John fit together like a glove and those who study them together will understand. Please read what she said, it is prophetic. Only those who will put away the Greek's false idealism and open to YAHWEH'S REALISM will grasp the truth of what she wrote:

The light that Daniel received from God was given especially for these last days. The visions he saw by the banks of Ulai and the Hiddekel the great rivers of Shinar, are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon come to pass.
Consider the circumstances  of  the Jewish   nation when the prophecies of Daniel were given.
Let us give  more time to the study of the Bible.   We do not understand the word as  we should.  The book of Revelation  opens with an injunction  to us to understand the instruction  that it contains. “Blessed  is he that readeth,  and they that hear the words of this prophecy,”  God declares,  “and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.” When we as a people understand what this book means to us, there will be seen among us a great revival. We do not understand fully the lessons that it teaches, notwithstanding the injunction  given us to search and study it.
In the past teachers have declared  Daniel and the Revelation to In the past teachers have declared  Daniel and the Revelation to
be sealed books, and the people have turned  from them.  The veil whose  apparent mystery  has kept many from lifting it, God’s own hand has  withdrawn from these  portions of His word. The very name “Revelation” contradicts the statement that it is a sealed  book. “Revelation” means that something of importance is revealed. The truths of this book are addressed to those living in these last days. We are standing with the veil removed in THE HOLY PLACE of sacred things. We are not to stand without. We are to enter, not with careless, irreverent thoughts, not with impetuous footsteps, but with reverence and godly fear.  We are nearing the time when the prophecies of the book of Revelation are to be fulfilled....
When the books of Daniel and Revelation  are better understood, believers will have an entirely different religious experience. They will be given such glimpses of the open gates of Heaven that heart and mind will be impressed with the character that all must develop in order to realize the blessedness which  is to be the reward of the pure in heart.....
Those who eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of God will bring from the books of Daniel and Revelation  truth that is inspired by the Holy Spirit. They will start into action forces that cannot be repressed. The lips of children will be opened to 
proclaim the mysteries that have been hidden from the minds of men.

We are standing on the threshold of great and solemn events. Many of the prophecies are about to be fulfilled in quick succession.  Every element of power is about to be set to work.  Past history will  be repeated; old controversies will arouse to new life, and peril will beset God’s people on every side.  Intensity is taking hold of the human family. It is permeating everything upon the earth....
Study Revelation in connection with Daniel, for history will  be repeated....  We, with all our religious  advantages, ought to know far more today than we do know.
Angels desire to look into the truths that are revealed to the people who with contrite hearts are searching the word of God and praying for greater lengths and breadth and depths and heights of the knowledge which HE alone can give.

As we near the close of this world’s history, the prophecies relating to the last days especially demand our study. The last book of the New Testament Scriptures is full of truth that we need to understand. Satan has blinded the minds of many so that they have been glad of any excuse for not making the Revelation their study. But Christ through His servant John has here declared what shall be in the last days; and He says, “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written herein.”

Happy Sabbath with Blessings!

P.S. You are right pastor I don't want to understand the Greek!

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6 hours ago, Gustave said:

You cite articles written by individuals who are Darwinian evolutionists and who attribute a belief in the afterlife to the evolution of society itself. In other words you cite an article that suggests the Old Testament writers, such as the book of Job, believed that the soul survived in some way after death was attributed to evolutionary process and not supernatural revelation. 

I don't mean to be harsh here but you should accept some constructive advise from Gregory, slow down and make sure that you comprehend what it is that your reading. One thing that would be helpful is if you could tailor your answers so that they would be relevant to the questions you were asked. Many times the answers you provide holds no relevance to the question you are asked. 

Well your belief is centered all around those beliefs:

Today, the Church supports theistic evolution(ism), also known as evolutionary creation, although Catholics are free not to believe in any part of evolutionary theory. ... They teach the fact that evolution occurs and the modern evolutionary synthesis, which is the scientific theory that explains how evolution proceeds. Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

The Catholic Church teaches “theistic evolution”, a stand that accepts evolution as a scientific theory and sees no reason why God could not have used a natural evolutionary process in the forming of the human species. Vatican says it does not owe Darwin an apology | New Scientist

Yesterday, Pope Francis, the head of the Roman Catholic Church, said that Darwinian evolution is real, and so is the Big Bang, according to the Telegraph. Elsewhere in his speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope said: “When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said.

He added: “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment. SMARTNEWS

I respect Pastor Matthew and the advice he has given me. But, I can read for myself. The Bible did not tell me to accept what any pastor says. Even the Bereans did not accept what Paul said. They studied for themselves. They saw what Paul said was so and there never as a book, condemning them for disobedience. When I study all the way in school I graduated to the next grade. I took what the teacher said, they all said now go back and study to see what I am teaching you is correct. When it wasn't many of us spoke and disagreed. 

Why would the Bible state to search if it want any of us to take the word of certain persons. I do not want anyone to take my word either. I have even asked you, when come up with things I have not read in the Bible for you to show it. You haven't and then when I present to you the meaning of words that Bible scholars claim it to be so and it makes no sense I must accept them? We sir, I don't! I have even explain why I don't IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!

When anyone cannot give line upon line, here a little and there a little. I don't agree because I follow the Bible guidelines. Why say you believe in the book and having to gather other sources to explain what it means. 

 Because that which may be known of ELOHIYM is manifest in them; for ELOHIYM hath showed it unto them. For the INVISIBLE THINGS of HIM from the Creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even HIS ETERNAL POWER and MAJESTY; so that they are without excuse: Rom 1:19, 20  

That is very clear to mean and every thing that grows around me, show proof of what is written above. That's what teaches me!

Happy Sabbath and Blessings to THE MOST HIGH!!!!

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1 hour ago, B/W Photodude said:

I am quite sure than EGW has quoted many texts that members of other churches have quoted.

I do not recall any particular Adventist claims regarding Mormons and the Trinity. 

Whatever the Mormons believe regarding the Trinity, they have one flaw in their beliefs as noted in one of their sayings:

As God is, man shall be.

As man is, God once was.

Or sometimes written:

"As man is, God once was;
as God is, man may be."

God was once just a man!
Man can become God!

https://bible.ca/mor-adam-god.htm

What about your Trinity Doctrine when the first man becomes God?

Ellen White: As a member of the human family he was mortal, but as a God he was the fountain of life to the world. Review and Herald Sept 4,1900

 

It doesn't cause you pause that in the matter of the Trinity Doctrine the only other Churches that S.D. Adventists are in agreement with as to HOW God is one are non-Trinitarian Churches? I understand that the SDA Church is a big tent system and that is quite attractive, frankly! However, it seems odd that the SDA Church defines the Oneness of God identically to Mormons, Christadelphians, JW's, etc. 

God became man by the Incarnation - God became man without ceasing to be God. 

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1 hour ago, stinsonmarri said:

Well your belief is centered all around those beliefs:

Today, the Church supports theistic evolution(ism), also known as evolutionary creation, although Catholics are free not to believe in any part of evolutionary theory. ... They teach the fact that evolution occurs and the modern evolutionary synthesis, which is the scientific theory that explains how evolution proceeds. Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

The Catholic Church teaches “theistic evolution”, a stand that accepts evolution as a scientific theory and sees no reason why God could not have used a natural evolutionary process in the forming of the human species. Vatican says it does not owe Darwin an apology | New Scientist

Yesterday, Pope Francis, the head of the Roman Catholic Church, said that Darwinian evolution is real, and so is the Big Bang, according to the Telegraph. Elsewhere in his speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope said: “When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said.

He added: “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment. SMARTNEWS

I respect Pastor Matthew and the advice he has given me. But, I can read for myself. The Bible did not tell me to accept what any pastor says. Even the Bereans did not accept what Paul said. They studied for themselves. They saw what Paul said was so and there never as a book, condemning them for disobedience. When I study all the way in school I graduated to the next grade. I took what the teacher said, they all said now go back and study to see what I am teaching you is correct. When it wasn't many of us spoke and disagreed. 

Why would the Bible state to search if it want any of us to take the word of certain persons. I do not want anyone to take my word either. I have even asked you, when come up with things I have not read in the Bible for you to show it. You haven't and then when I present to you the meaning of words that Bible scholars claim it to be so and it makes no sense I must accept them? We sir, I don't! I have even explain why I don't IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!

When anyone cannot give line upon line, here a little and there a little. I don't agree because I follow the Bible guidelines. Why say you believe in the book and having to gather other sources to explain what it means. 

 Because that which may be known of ELOHIYM is manifest in them; for ELOHIYM hath showed it unto them. For the INVISIBLE THINGS of HIM from the Creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even HIS ETERNAL POWER and MAJESTY; so that they are without excuse: Rom 1:19, 20  

That is very clear to mean and every thing that grows around me, show proof of what is written above. That's what teaches me!

Happy Sabbath and Blessings to THE MOST HIGH!!!!

 

This is another example of you not understanding the position of the Church. I don't as of yet know if this is due to educational level, reading comprehension or something else. 

The Catholic Church has infallibly defined that the Universe and specifically this world and everything contained in it (both material and spiritual) have been produced (created) OUT OF NOTHING by God. The Catholic Church rejects atheistic evolution. If you knew how to research something you'd have known this. 

Using ancient Hebrew words can be fun and dandy and all of that - ascribing some type of magical weight to them is little more than fantasy role playing (like dungeons & dragons). 

A higher education, more than anything, teaches someone HOW TO THINK far more than it does what to think.  I see you often copy-N-past scholarly materials and in the last case the authors you cite equally discredit our beliefs thereby your source invalidates the weight you gave it. 

 

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